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[Real justice]

It doesn't make sense though.  An intelligent man,  in a stable relationship, with a responsible job,  who has recently spent six weeks abroad working, lives a perfectly normal day , then decides to spend the evening killing the girl next door and disposing of her body. Surely, had he been "compelled" to murder someone, he wouldn't have chosen his next door neighbour. He was bright enough to know he would automatically be a suspect. He might have done it, obviously, but it makes no sense to me at all, which is precisely  why I question whether he actually did!!!!!

What doesn’t make sense to you makes perfect sense to most people, why do husbands kill their wife’s when they know they would be a prime suspect?  Some killers will feel such a strong compulsion to murder, choosing victims largely by who is available at that time, his desire to act out his perverted fantasy would have overcome any other thought process.  Having a stable relationship and a good job and being intelligent,  would not help his perverted mind.   Ted Buddy had a IQ of 136. Jeffery Dahmer IQ144, Harold Shipman was in a loving stable relationship, family doctor and responsible job, who knows how many he killed

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What doesn’t make sense to you makes perfect sense to most people, why do husbands kill their wife’s when they know they would be a prime suspect?  Some killers will feel such a strong compulsion to murder, choosing victims largely by who is available at that time, his desire to act out his perverted fantasy would have overcome any other thought process.  Having a stable relationship and a good job and being intelligent,  would not help his perverted mind.   Ted Buddy had a IQ of 136. Jeffery Dahmer IQ144, Harold Shipman was in a loving stable relationship, family doctor and responsible job, who knows how many he killed

You're absolutely correct RJ. Most of us will never experience how that primal urge can grip until it's appeased. How it might fill someone's every waking moment until their blood lust or sexual perversion is assuaged, but just because we don't experience it, it doesn't mean others don't. It's perfectly possible, that having sated their perversion and returned to 'normal', they may not recognize what they've done................until the urge hits them next time.

[Real justice]

You're absolutely correct RJ. Most of us will never experience how that primal urge can grip until it's appeased. How it might fill someone's every waking moment until their blood lust or sexual perversion is assuaged, but just because we don't experience it, it doesn't mean others don't. It's perfectly possible, that having sated their perversion and returned to 'normal', they may not recognize what they've done................until the urge hits them next time.

True April, he watched the videos for one reason, to get off on them until this wasn’t enough to satisfy him, then he wanted to turn it into reality. He would not have stopped even if he got away with killing Joanna, his uncontrollable urges would have got stronger.  It was a perfect setting for him, his girlfriend out all night, Joanna on her own, computer experts found he had been viewing porn on the day he killed Joanna, you have to understand how a sex offender thinks and acts, even though he was in a stable relationship men still do attack women,  I think the thing he wanted more than anything was the power over his victim, both in fantasy and action,  Tabak found it most exciting to use force in making his conquest.

It’s funny how some people view this seemingly devoted boyfriend, but was in fact a fan of submission pornography. His computers revealed violent images of females being held by the neck, degraded and sexually abused. He surfed sex sites for escorts, using the cover of business trips.

 Even  Just two weeks before murdering the landscape architect he also paid for sex with a prostitute during a business trip to Los Angeles, police discovered.
Was he thinking about his girlfriend when he did this?

[Caroline]

It doesn't make sense though.  An intelligent man,  in a stable relationship, with a responsible job,  who has recently spent six weeks abroad working, lives a perfectly normal day , then decides to spend the evening killing the girl next door and disposing of her body. Surely, had he been "compelled" to murder someone, he wouldn't have chosen his next door neighbour. He was bright enough to know he would automatically be a suspect. He might have done it, obviously, but it makes no sense to me at all, which is precisely  why I question whether he actually did!!!!!

Yes it does. Many killers are intelligent, many are in a relationship but you're speculating as to the stability of his. Not sure what his working abroad has to do with anything? What kind of day does a killer have? Most murders are committed by someone close (family, friends, neighbours). He was arrogant enough be believe he wouldn't be caught but did some research just in case!!!!

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Facebook.....  Just like to put everything into context....

We had the forum and we had the group...  We also had the confusion.... Which was which...

I'm still unsure, but the forum on the poster of Joanna yeates Missing was this

https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=169097479794933

The link that leads no where

But we also have the facebook group, which was different to The Missing forum by the family.....

Now today I came across this tweet by Rupert Evelyn..

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4000 people join facebook group in search for Jo yeates. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_169097479794933

10:26 am - 23 Dec 2010

That leads you too the Missing group.... Yet it is a slightly different to the web address that is on the poster,... So were there 2 forums of similar address about Joanna Yeates at the time?? Why does Rupert Evelyns link, go to the Missing group, which has a forum type address?

I Don't understand how Rupert Evelyn's link goes to the Missing group how it looks today, but the link from The Missing poster goes to a dead page..


(a): https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=169097479794933  (from Missing Poster, leads nowhere)

(b): https://www.facebook.com/groups/169097479794933/ (Missing Group)

(c): https://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_169097479794933 (Rupert Evelyns link)(leads to
      Missing Group)

Was (a) The forum that mrswah and myself have spoken about?  And why was it on the poster?  Something slightly strange about the facebook forums/groups (imo)


Someone who knows about forum address please explain to me... thank you...






Edit.. So I therefore would conclude, that the forum mrswah and myself know of, must be the same as the facebook address on the Missing Poster, that being [Joanna Yeates Discussion of the Case]  so who started which forums??  And why the similar addresses??

I may be wrong... as mrswah says...

Double Edit... Now this is the facebook [Discussion of The case group]...

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Joanna-Yeates-discussion-of-the-case/128719860525280

It's a dead link...

What I remember was that The Facebook forum which mrswah and myself have spoken of got transferred to the group... ( Meaning started completely afresh..)

Where as what appears to be the Missing forum, just became a group, if you follow what I mean...

So was The Missing person Poster link, The original forum that has been spoken of??

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Attached are the images of the Facebook forum/groups

My opinion hasn't changed... Something is off... Fake News etc etc...  Too bizarre for words...

[Real justice]

I was thinking about the sentencing of Dr Vincent Tabak and how quickly the Judge passed sentence, there was NO medical reports made as mitigating circumstances.. No leniency for a plea of guilty.. I don't remember any victim impact statements..

How did the Judge come to his decision based on what??? Surely Dr Vincent Tabaks behaviour whilst in custody was without fault..

Why didn't the judge defer sentencing whilst all the reports came in????
Where were the background reports???

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/verdicts-and-sentencing

Not quite sure what your getting at Nine, you complain about fake news, yet you follow and research one of the biggest internet providers of fake news FACEBOOK, i have a friend who died recently and went to his funeral, yet he still has a Facebook page, why?  Because know one can be bothered to remove it.  My Dad died 5 years back, he still has one, does that mean he’s still alive? 

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You talk utter nonesense and crap, move on in life and let the murdering perverted monster rot in prison.

Thanks for that Real Justice...  Too kind of you... 

[Real justice]

Thanks for that Real Justice...  Too kind of you...

Im trying to help you Nine, nothing you bring up has any bearing on this case and any possibility being a MOJ, you complain about Fake news, yet your the messenger of such, without evidence.

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Im trying to help you Nine, nothing you bring up has any bearing on this case and any possibility being a MOJ, you complain about Fake news, yet your the messenger of such, without evidence.

Therefore I have wasted my time....  and any possible MOJ that anyone has concerns over, will also be wasting their time, by what you say...

If the real evidence is Missing..eg.. The CCTV that DS Mark Saunders speaks of, and any and all of the witness statements that were made online... As I do not have the ability to see these, I cannot bring these as evidence, but I can show that they apparently existed.. If Dr Vincent Tabak or his family are not speaking about this, I cannot bring that either...  I can show the video's of The Yeates talking of washing piles of clothes on entering Joanna yeates flat... I can show video of CJ talking of speaking to Dr Vincent Tabak that weekend....

If it has taken me this long to find out all of the information I have found and  posted about, how was it possible to arrest Dr Vincent Tabak within days of CJ being released, when there was no evidence.... Surely they would need to check information etc.....

All I keep saying is this case makes no sense.... And I understand no-one else but a few ever have questioned this....

I will stay with my belief, that Dr Vincent Tabak is innocent, until someone proves otherwise, and with the belief that this case makes no sense....

And if you think I talk crap and nonsense , then so be it....


Edit..... Where was "THE EVIDENCE" at trial?? 

Oops... There wasn't any....  All the forensics from Joanna Yeates and Dr Vincent Tabaks flat apparently Missing... No witness's whom had seen Dr Vincent Tabak that weekend were at trial either..... Odd that...!!

[Real justice]

Therefore I have wasted my time....  and any possible MOJ that anyone has concerns over, will also be wasting their time, by what you say...

If the real evidence is Missing..eg.. The CCTV that DS Mark Saunders speaks of, and any and all of the witness statements that were made online... As I do not have the ability to see these, I cannot bring these as evidence, but I can show that they apparently existed.. If Dr Vincent Tabak or his family are not speaking about this, I cannot bring that either...  I can show the video's of The Yeates talking of washing piles of clothes on entering Joanna yeates flat... I can show video of CJ talking of speaking to Dr Vincent Tabak that weekend....

If it has taken me this long to find out all of the information I have found and  posted about, how was it possible to arrest Dr Vincent Tabak within days of CJ being released, when there was no evidence.... Surely they would need to check information etc.....

All I keep saying is this case makes no sense.... And I understand no-one else but a few ever have questioned this....

I will stay with my belief, that Dr Vincent Tabak is innocent, until someone proves otherwise, and with the belief that this case makes no sense....

And if you think I talk crap and nonsense , then so be it....


Edit..... Where was "THE EVIDENCE" at trial?? 

Oops... There wasn't any....  All the forensics from Joanna Yeates and Dr Vincent Tabaks flat apparently Missing... No witness's whom had seen Dr Vincent Tabak that weekend were at trial either..... Odd that...!!

How much evidence do you have to show, when someone has admitted he murdered the victim?  The case was and never will be about proving Tabak was responsible for jY death, it was about either manslaughter or murder; so, the prosecution didn’t need to prove or bring witnesses in to prove Tabak did it,  you just don’t get it and understand the legal system, your arguments are meaningless.  Why waste time and effort to prove responsibility when he admitted it?

[Real justice]

d any possible MOJ that anyone has concerns over, will also be wasting their time, by what you say...

I’m not saying that at all, I’m involved with and follow two MOJ myself, I was referencing to Tabak’s case, nice try of twisting things though Nine.

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d any possible MOJ that anyone has concerns over, will also be wasting their time, by what you say...

I’m not saying that at all, I’m involved with and follow two MOJ myself, I was referencing to Tabak’s case, nice try of twisting things though Nine.

I'm not trying to twist anything...  I take thing literally... that is all...

How do you view the 2 MOJ's you follow?  Do you believe that they are MOJ's or not... Are they just for interest??

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How much evidence do you have to show, when someone has admitted he murdered the victim?  The case was and never will be about proving Tabak was responsible for jY death, it was about either manslaughter or murder; so, the prosecution didn’t need to prove or bring witnesses in to prove Tabak did it,  you just don’t get it and understand the legal system, your arguments are meaningless.  Why waste time and effort to prove responsibility when he admitted it?

Admitting to something, doesn't mean someone has done something... There could be many reasons someone admits to a crime they haven't done.... The question is why?

And shouldn't the evidence support someones admittance, and not just their say so...!

[Caroline]

Therefore I have wasted my time....  and any possible MOJ that anyone has concerns over, will also be wasting their time, by what you say...

If the real evidence is Missing..eg.. The CCTV that DS Mark Saunders speaks of, and any and all of the witness statements that were made online... As I do not have the ability to see these, I cannot bring these as evidence, but I can show that they apparently existed.. If Dr Vincent Tabak or his family are not speaking about this, I cannot bring that either...  I can show the video's of The Yeates talking of washing piles of clothes on entering Joanna yeates flat... I can show video of CJ talking of speaking to Dr Vincent Tabak that weekend....

If it has taken me this long to find out all of the information I have found and  posted about, how was it possible to arrest Dr Vincent Tabak within days of CJ being released, when there was no evidence.... Surely they would need to check information etc.....

All I keep saying is this case makes no sense.... And I understand no-one else but a few ever have questioned this....

I will stay with my belief, that Dr Vincent Tabak is innocent, until someone proves otherwise, and with the belief that this case makes no sense....

And if you think I talk crap and nonsense , then so be it....


Edit..... Where was "THE EVIDENCE" at trial?? 

Oops... There wasn't any....  All the forensics from Joanna Yeates and Dr Vincent Tabaks flat apparently Missing... No witness's whom had seen Dr Vincent Tabak that weekend were at trial either..... Odd that...!!

There wasn't any? There was the DNA evidence, the evidence from his computer and oh ........... his admission. The only thing missing is a video of his actually committing the crime!