The Defence Will State Their Case

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Oh please do Billy, give us a rest 

Relax and listen to a tune... Real..
Get a coffee and take a seat and  enjoy the music...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlz56To77J8

[mrswah]

Tabak was 100 per cent responsible, if he hadn’t killed JY, this would never have happened. It really is that simple.

True, (assuming he did kill her), but the media was responsible for what happened to C.J, (IMO). That is why they had to pay him huge amounts in compensation.

It really is that simple!!

[jixy]

True, (assuming he did kill her), but the media was responsible for what happened to C.J, (IMO). That is why they had to pay him huge amounts in compensation.

It really is that simple!!

And it really is that simple that Tabak killed her confessed and is now serving a life sentence. Right where he should be!

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CJ:
The Letter certainly acknowledges that they could have done things differently, err.. one of the things which they could have done differently, was to make it absolutely certain at the time that I was released from Police Bail, that they accepted that I was entirely innocent and played no part whatsoever , erm... In the Murder Of Jo Yeates.

Erm.. They could probably at that point also have acknowledged the very considerable distress which I had to experience as a result of the length of time that I remained on Police Bail, which was some 6 weeks after Vincent Tabak was originally arrested and charged.

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Nick Gargan:
It's not a letter of apology, it is a letter that acknowledges that things might have been done differently. The situation is very clear, the arrest of Christopher Jefferies was integral and necessary part of the investigation and I've no criticism of that decision. Er.. Nor indeed the way in which it was carried out.

On reflection, in the light of our conversation with Mr Jefferies since, what we have come to realise, is that we might have been quicker in making it clear that he was no longer a suspect.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8060.msg526880#msg526880

Arresting CJ apparently was an integral part of this investigation, so why keep him on bail for 6 weeks after Dr Vincent tabak was charged??

CJ was arrested on 30th December 2010 and not released from Police bail until early March 2011

Dr Vincent tabak was charged 22nd January 2011

DCI Phil Jones tells the Leveson that it was the bloody trainer behind the kick-board under the sink in the house , being the reason that CJ was kept on bail..

Which therefore surprises me why CJ doesn't seem aware of this fact...

On reflection, in the light of our conversation with Mr Jefferies since, what we have come to realise, is that we might have been quicker in making it clear that he was no longer a suspect.

Well lets be honest here....  How could The Police have made it clearer quicker??

At the time CJ has been in hiding, sued the papers, talks of The Leveson inquiry are underway,.. CJ being a core participant...

The Police wouldn't and maybe couldn't divulge anything about CJ's arrest and bail as it was apart of the evidence at the Leveson Inquiry....

After The Leveson maybe, The Police said what they needed to say at The Leveson, and at the time of the Leveson CJ himself was was in the process of taking the Police to court and that stopped certain evidence coming to light as it was part of a up and coming case..

So how much sooner could the Police have stated that CJ was no longer a suspect and make an apology??

By admitting to it the Police would face a court action for sure... So why are they going to do that??

They know that someone acting for CJ had already written to the papers by 1st January 2011, so i would say the Police are not going to respond until they can see CJ's hand....

And again, it is usual for The Police to tell everyone someone is not a suspect...

So when was the earliest the Police could say that CJ was not a suspect??  They obviously felt they had reason in the beginning, and kept him on Police Bail until March 2011... 

The Leveson etc, prevented them from acting sooner in CJ's interest (imo)

It's a bit catch 22..

* 30th December 2010 CJ arrested

* 1st January 2011 CJ released on Police Bail

* 20th January 2011 Dr Vincent Tabak arrested

* 22nd January 2011 Dr Vincent Tabak charged

* 21st April 2011 it is announced that CJ is suing the papers

* 5th May 2011 Dr Vincent Tabak pleads guilty to manslaughter via video link at The Old Bailey

* 8th May 2011 it is reported in the media that CJ is taking legal action against the police.

* July 2011 Lord Justice Leveson,  was appointed for the inquiry

* 29th July 2011 CJ and the contempt of court about the papers

* 14th September 2011 the Guardian list the names of the core participants CJ is amongst them

* 20th September 2011 Dr Vincent Tabak appears in court again

* October 2011 around 4 weeks of trial for Dr Vincent Tabak for the murder of Joanna Yeates

* 28th October 2011 Dr Vincent Tabak is found guilty

* 4th November 2011 a statement from CJ was sent to the Inquiry

* 28th November 2011 CJ's oral evidence is given.

* February 2012 CJ was recalled to give evidence at the Leveson

* 29th November 2012, the media tell us The Leveson 1 has published it's report

* Published on 16 Sep 2013 The youtube interview with Nick Gargan

To be honest, I do not know whether or not CJ would have been needed for Leveson 2, I know that Leveson 2 has been cancelled and CJ has gone to court to get Leveson 2 completed...

Whatever evidence Leveson 2 may have brought forth, I am not sure if it would have a direct baring on CJ in relation to this case and whether or not the Police should have apologised sooner...

Maybe Leveson 2 prevented the Police saying anything publicly at the time, I am not sure... But until all the evidence is presented to the Leveson, I cannot see the Police making any public apology that might jeopdise any evidence they could have given to Leveson 1 or the future Leveson 2. (imo)



https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140122175126/http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Witness-Statement-of-Christopher-Jefferies.pdf

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17194514

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If CJ was recalled to give evidence in Leveson 1 would he have been again a core participant in Leveson 2?

Did the interview with CC Nick Gargan and the apology of sorts prevent CJ giving any future evidence to any future Leveson Inquiry?

If phone hacking was involved, then did CJ get hacked at the time??

Still asking the question therefore, whether CJ should have pursued The Police action or waited until after Leveson 2

Did CJ make an error of judgement there??

If cases were actively ongoing and Leveson 2 was waiting for them to finish, when did they finish??

CJ has been extremely vocal and actively pursuing Leveson 2, but could he ever be a core participant again? Or does he just wish for Leveson 2 to happen??

Since CJ's arrest, he has been in the Leveson, appeared on many TV shows he has had a netflix program made about him, he has given numerous talks... All of these things, which if they were at all relevant to Leveson 2 have put a spanner in the works... And I wonder if CJ would have ever been called again to give evidence in Leveson 2...

If Leveson 1 was anything to go by, all evidence relative to leveson 2 had not been made public and has not been made public to this day if I am correct...

So what else could CJ have brought to Leveson 2 that we didn't already know from his original Leveson 1 appearances, to all the TV interviews for Crime Docs etc... His Netflix adaptation, and his numerous public speaking appearances since the end of his statements to The Leveson Inquiry...

The problem I find, is anything that is out in the public domain now in regards to CJ and The Leveson, wouldn't be used in evidence in Leveson 2..

So I cannot see the advantage of Leveson 2 for CJ... to be honest...

Mr Christopher Jefferies
No. I did give an interview for ITN News. One of the reasons that I gave that was that the interviewer happened to be somebody whom at one stage I taught.

Link in context Link

Mr Jay
Thank you. In terms of the legal process, the contempt proceedings have been determined. There's ongoing litigation against the police.

May I deal with the issue of the Press Complaints Commission?


Mr Christopher Jefferies
Oh yes.

Nothing about that situation had been brought to Leveson 1, because it was ongoing and had to be left out of Leveson 1..

But would the Polices handling of CJ been part of Leveson 2??

Which now couldn't happen because of the apology..... What ever evidence CJ gave to Leveson 1 surely held what happened in regards to the Polices action against him, even if it hadn't been used at that time as the litigation was in process..

CJ uses the term subsidiary... When referring to his second witness statement, it's suplimentary, not as important, an addition... So what was in CJ's Original statement to the Police, which we do not know??  Is the information held within that statement of greater importance, when reading what CJ has to say about the second statement??

Mr Christopher Jefferies
Yes, there was. I think it was the day immediately before I was arrested, I was greeted by a large number of reporters and photographers as I was leaving the house one day, who seemed particularly interested to question me about the details of the second subsidiary statement that I had given to the police.

Maybe what is held in the second statement is of greater importance, even though CJ lightly dusts it off as being unimportant...
We will never know....


https://leveson.sayit.mysociety.org/hearing-28-november-2011/mr-christopher-jefferies

There's one more thing i want to understand....  From the TV interview/ Police apology.

Erm... and it someway I think, at least implicitly, towards acknowledging that it did just effect me, it effected members of my family, it effected friends. So they were also to a degree, victims as well as i was

I though CJ was an only child, I thought his parents were dead.. So i wondered which family he was referring too?? No-one living had ever been identified that was apart of CJ's family, or does he use that term loosely??

And therefore who is CJ related too?? And is it relevant??

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Mr Reardon went into the witness box five minutes before the case adjourned for lunch.
Mr Reardon, who had been staying in Sheffield on the weekend of her death, said the pair
had been in a relationship for two years. They had previously lived together in the Bristol
suburb of Westbury Park before moving to Clifton on October 25, the court heard.

http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf

Yesterday I was not too kindly looked upon about making posts relating to marathons etc..

Now I was just looking at the Sally Ramage pdf, when "Westbury Park" jumped off the page..

Relationships between any individuals that have been named in this case haven't been established..  Well not really, Dr Vincent Tabak didn't know either Greg or Joanna Yeates, but no-one has ever asked if Tanaj knew either of them??

Now it could be just coincidence I do not know...  Greg and Joanna Yeates lived in Westbury Park, and Tanja Morson ran for Westbury Harriers..

He had moved to Britain in 2007 to work in Bath and lived in the city before moving to the affluent area of Clifton in 2009 to set up home with Miss Morson.

She is a fitness fan. She has run for the Bristol-based Westbury Harriers club and both she and Mr Tabak have taken part in several ten-kilometre running events. Mr Tabak had previously refused to speak to reporters about the murder.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1349356/Joanna-Yeates-murder-suspect-Vincent-Tabak-split-girlfriend.html

Before Dr Vincent Tabak and Tanja Morson lived together he lived in Bath, but I do not know where Tanja Morson lived..

But she did train and run for Westbury Harriers and I do not know if she lived in the area, it is possible and Joanna Yeates and Greg Reardon coincidentally lived in Westbury...  And Greg too likes to run

So I am asking did Tanja Morson know either Joanna Yeates or Greg Reardon??

It a reasonable question to ask... Mr and Mrs Yeates said Tanja was most concerned, and they still keep in contact with Tanja Morson. Did Tanja know Joanna Yeates??

We knew who is vital in this case.. (imo)

Edit.... Did Greg or Joanna also train at Westbury Park/ Westbury harriers?? It caters for many people..

https://www.westburyharriers.com/

[nina]

Nine is just like Theresa May, ignoring everything that's said to her and going her own way. Thank heavens Nine is not our PM !! Just my opinion of course.

[jixy]

Nine is just like Theresa May, ignoring everything that's said to her and going her own way. Thank heavens Nine is not our PM !! Just my opinion of course.

 

[Real justice]

http://www.criminal-lawyer.org.uk/39-CLN-JAN-2012.pdf

Yesterday I was not too kindly looked upon about making posts relating to marathons etc..

Now I was just looking at the Sally Ramage pdf, when "Westbury Park" jumped off the page..

Relationships between any individuals that have been named in this case haven't been established..  Well not really, Dr Vincent Tabak didn't know either Greg or Joanna Yeates, but no-one has ever asked if Tanaj knew either of them??

Now it could be just coincidence I do not know...  Greg and Joanna Yeates lived in Westbury Park, and Tanja Morson ran for Westbury Harriers..



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1349356/Joanna-Yeates-murder-suspect-Vincent-Tabak-split-girlfriend.html

Before Dr Vincent Tabak and Tanja Morson lived together he lived in Bath, but I do not know where Tanja Morson lived..

But she did train and run for Westbury Harriers and I do not know if she lived in the area, it is possible and Joanna Yeates and Greg Reardon coincidentally lived in Westbury...  And Greg too likes to run

So I am asking did Tanja Morson know either Joanna Yeates or Greg Reardon??

It a reasonable question to ask... Mr and Mrs Yeates said Tanja was most concerned, and they still keep in contact with Tanja Morson. Did Tanja know Joanna Yeates??

We knew who is vital in this case.. (imo)

Edit.... Did Greg or Joanna also train at Westbury Park/ Westbury harriers?? It caters for many people..

https://www.westburyharriers.com/

· Mr Tabak's British girlfriend, Tanja Morson was helping police with their inquiries. ..... “We are all very sad about it, and although I didn't know Miss Yeates, I am deeply saddened by what happened.”

[Caroline]

Ok Jixy... lets say he viewed porn.... 

I am trying to establish how it was even possible for him to kill Joanna yeates...

People have many disgusting habits, we can't put them all in prison for that reason.... If they have done an act that constitutes a custodial sentence, then prison it will be...

But you cannot and should not put someone in prison for a crime they have not committed..

Ok lets say the child images are true.... (Shocking that type of behaviour)

He needs to be charged for that....

If he is charged for a crime he didn't commit, it means whom ever really committed said crime has gotten away with it...

And that's the point....  Just because he said a story on the stand that doesn't really add up and everyone has accepted said story, doesn't mean it is true ...

Thinking of reasons why he may have admitted responsibility...

* He could have been covering for someone else....

* He could have been tricked into believing he was responsible

* He could have hacked computers in another country and didn't want to be extradited (unlikely)

* He  may know who did it

* He could have been arrested and to be charged under joint enterprise (killers was a term used)

* Or he maybe just that geek whom has done nothing and got wrapped up in this... and doesn't know his arse from
  his elbow, unable to answer over 80 questions..


There may be other reasons, I do not know... But really my point being, you need to have the right person in prison for the right crime.... The Case isn't therefore done and dusted... Justice has not been done...

As the real killer is walking around free, and may do it again, knowing that they have already gotten away with it...
It doesn't make the streets safer, and it doesn't make someone elses daughter safer..

Yes, it may help to clear the crime rate up, but that is just a fallacy...(imo)

The right person is in prison - nasty, sweaty, heavy breathing pervert who couldn't control his urges - urges fueled by the viewing of sick, disgusting perverted images. The streets are a lot safer now the DVT is locked up (by the way, DVT doesn't stand for Dr Vincent Tabak!)

[Caroline]

Who's to say it is not an entirely different person who killed Joanna Yeates,

TABAK!

[Caroline]

I could take from that, that it not existing means it was made up... It depends on how ones interprets these things!

But I have linked the interview, and the first title on the interview is from "The Guardian"...

So i do not know why ITV states it doesn't exist.

Imagine having a website were nothing was ever removed - how much space and cost do you imagine it would run to? The video's get removed after a while because they use up space and to make way for more recent events. They could be uploaded to the site again - if required. Logic never really enters your theories does it?

[Caroline]

True, (assuming he did kill her), but the media was responsible for what happened to C.J, (IMO). That is why they had to pay him huge amounts in compensation.

It really is that simple!!

Ultimately, Tabak was responsible because he killed Jo and pointed the finger at CJ. That's how simply it is.

[Caroline]

· Mr Tabak's British girlfriend, Tanja Morson was helping police with their inquiries. ..... “We are all very sad about it, and although I didn't know Miss Yeates, I am deeply saddened by what happened.”

Reams of drivel that could have been sorted out with a simple search 

[Real justice]

Ok... But questions need to be answered...

The situation is very clear, the arrest of Christopher Jefferies was integral and necessary part of the investigation and I've no criticism of that decision. Er.. Nor indeed the way in which it was carried out.

Why was it integral and necessary part of the investigation to arrest CJ??

That should relate directly to Dr Vincent Tabak..... surely

Are Dr Vincent Tabak and CJ related ?  I'm trying to understand why arresting CJ whom it has been shown is wholly innocent was an integral and necessary part of the investigation ...

What other reason could there be for CJ arrest to be an integral and necessary part of the investigation???

I think this one takes the prize Caroline, logic at its best