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Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2685 on: May 17, 2019, 05:51:51 PM »
Inconsistencies in the statements given by the McCanns and the group of friends who were dining with them at the time of Madeleine's disappearance may have been caused by errors in translation, it emerged today.
Portuguese detectives investigating the case of the missing four-year-old have admitted that they are reassessing the original witness statements to look for inaccuracies in their translation

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1569143/Madeleine-McCann-Possible-translation-errors.html

The admission came as police undertake a thorough review of the case under the new head of the inquiry, Portugal's second most senior policeman Paulo Rebelo, 45.


how many times do I need to post the same cites

Why would Portuguese detectives say they were doing something which wasn't possible? We can check the amateur translations  on the internet because we can see the originals. The PJ couldn't do that with the statements because there were no original documents.

It seems whoever the source of this srory was forgot or didn't know that every non Portuguese  witness would have had to have been reinterviewed if the PJ wanted to check the accuracy of their statements.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2686 on: May 17, 2019, 05:55:47 PM »
Why would Portuguese detectives say they were doing something which wasn't possible? We can check the amateur translations  on the internet because we can see the originals. The PJ couldn't do that with the statements because there were no original documents.

It seems whoever the source of this srory was forgot or didn't know that every non Portuguese  witness would have had to have been reinterviewed if the PJ wanted to check the accuracy of their statements.

it was quite possible to check the mccanns and their friends statements

Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2687 on: May 17, 2019, 06:04:52 PM »
it was quite possible to check the mccanns and their friends statements

How?
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2688 on: May 17, 2019, 06:10:42 PM »
I thought you were off out? (having made an hilarious knob gag, on a forum about a missing child)
Oh my, now I never had you down as a righteous sanctimonious type...  &%%6
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2689 on: May 17, 2019, 06:32:29 PM »
And they show foreigners giving statements and the procedures that are adopted while recording them do they?   Please can you give me just one example, ta.

They put a mobile phone on speakerphone with an appropriate translator on the other end.

The English officer speaks in English.  The translator on the phone translates into Arabic.   The translator translates the response into English.

Guess which language the English police officer writes down the answer in?  Just as a clue, it's not Arabic.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2690 on: May 17, 2019, 06:33:32 PM »
They put a mobile phone on speakerphone with an appropriate translator on the other end.

The English officer speaks in English.  The translator on the phone translates into Arabic.   The translator translates the response into English.

Guess which language the English police officer writes down the answer in?  Just as a clue, it's not Arabic.
What programme was that on?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2691 on: May 17, 2019, 06:52:48 PM »
They put a mobile phone on speakerphone with an appropriate translator on the other end.

The English officer speaks in English.  The translator on the phone translates into Arabic.   The translator translates the response into English.

Guess which language the English police officer writes down the answer in?  Just as a clue, it's not Arabic.

That's when they are interviewing... Not taking statements... I've quoted the govt guidelines for statements... You should read them

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2692 on: May 17, 2019, 07:08:14 PM »
Here’s another cite from a British Police Force guidelines

1.2.7 Witness Statements
The declaration at the top of the MG11, must be written out by the interpreter in the relevant language, signed by the person making the statement (not the interpreter) and the signature witnessed. The person witnessing the signature will normally be the interpreter.
The officer will then gather the witness’ evidence in the usual manner by questioning the witness through the interpreter. The interpreter should then write down the statement on an MG11, in the witness’s own language, in the witnesses own words as guided by the officer. This record is called ‘the original statement’. The role of the officer is to ensure that the statement is factually and evidentially correct.
Once the witness statement is recorded in the other language, the interpreter will make an English translation of that statement on another form MG11. This translation is an exhibit. The interpreter must then make another witness statement in which they explain how they were employed to write down the statement and produce the English translation as an exhibit.

Is this what happened in Portugal in 2007?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2693 on: May 17, 2019, 07:10:18 PM »
How?

Ask them... But the mccanns provided new statements

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2694 on: May 17, 2019, 07:12:51 PM »
What programme was that on?

Many.

Take your pick.

Force Essex is but one.

Go and fill your boots!
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2695 on: May 17, 2019, 07:15:29 PM »
Many.

Take your pick.

Force Essex is but one.

Go and fill your boots!

You obviously  haven't understood  what you watched... Questioning is carried out in the way you describe but witness statements are not..... Witness statements  are recorded in the witnesses own language... Cites have been provided

Time to admit your mistake

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2696 on: May 17, 2019, 07:21:22 PM »
Many.

Take your pick.

Force Essex is but one.

Go and fill your boots!
So do youthink UK police forces blatantly disregard the guidelines as set down in the cites provided?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2697 on: May 17, 2019, 07:30:18 PM »
Ask them... But the mccanns provided new statements

Did the PJ ask them? Where are these new statements?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2698 on: May 17, 2019, 08:23:39 PM »
Did the PJ ask them? Where are these new statements?

It's in Kate's book which you have read

Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #2699 on: May 17, 2019, 09:34:15 PM »
It's in Kate's book which you have read

That they were asked anout their statements or that they were asked to do new ones?
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