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Sharia law is delivered by muslim men, and allowed and supported by the UK by the demands of the muslim council of Great Britain.... yeah and guess who they associate with and support?
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Sharia law is delivered by muslim men, and allowed and supported by the UK by the demands of the muslim council of Great Britain.... yeah and guess who they associate with and support?
We should be better informed next year;
26th May 2016
An independent review into the application of sharia law in England and Wales has been launched by Home Secretary Theresa May today.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/independent-review-into-sharia-law-launched
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We should be better informed next year;
26th May 2016
An independent review into the application of sharia law in England and Wales has been launched by Home Secretary Theresa May today.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/independent-review-into-sharia-law-launched
Ofcourse there is absolutely no real legal reason for them having their own laws to follow. Don't we have our own Laws? are we not not all equal in the eyes of the law? who's law can we all have our own laws please? Welcome to Islamabad mentality. The establishment have known about this for years, and kept it hidden from you the voting public!
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Sharia law is delivered by muslim men, and allowed and supported by the UK by the demands of the muslim council of Great Britain.... yeah and guess who they associate with and support?
You do realize that not all Muslims want Sharia Law, don't you ?
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You do realize that not all Muslims want Sharia Law, don't you ?
Indeed Stephen, so why are we being forced to have this addition for the bleating minority? It should be thrown out and the perpetrators sent back to Turkey, the country to take out vacant seat in the EU.
I will bet it is being instigated by illegal immigrants who claimed asylum from their mother land who were persecuting them > poor souls!
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Indeed Stephen, so why are we being forced to have this addition for the bleating minority? It should be thrown out and the perpetrators sent back to Turkey, the country to take out vacant seat in the EU.
I will bet it is being instigated by illegal immigrants who claimed asylum from their mother land who were persecuting them > poor souls!
So while we're at it, why not throw all the scroungers of UK origin out as well ? 8)-)))
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So while we're at it, why not throw all the scroungers of UK origin out as well ? 8)-)))
No, for the simple reason, their fathers and forefathers gave their lives for this country, and also paid their taxes for their children to enjoy a better life than thay had. It is being denied them and many people are not happy about it.
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Ofcourse there is absolutely no real legal reason for them having their own laws to follow. Don't we have our own Laws? are we not not all equal in the eyes of the law? who's law can we all have our own laws please? Welcome to Islamabad mentality. The establishment have known about this for years, and kept it hidden from you the voting public!
The precedent to consider is the Roman Catholic Church and their Canon Laws. The Church has courts, judges and all the other institutions of a legal system.
Their stance on marriage is that it's forever if it takes place in the Church. If you then get a civil divorce they don't recognise it or any new marriage, They don't recognise same sex marriage at all.
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"Shariah Law for Dummies"
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_law
"There is not a strictly codified uniform set of laws that can be called Sharia. It is more like a system of several laws, based on the Qur'an, Hadith and centuries of debate, interpretation and precedent.
Islamic shariah is not implemented in any country of the world, most Muslim countries have their own laws & chosen only few of laws from Islamic shariah".
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Sharia law is delivered by muslim men, and allowed and supported by the UK by the demands of the muslim council of Great Britain.... yeah and guess who they associate with and support?
The way I understand it is that if any of it contravenes UK law its not allowed, so eg members of that communty might decide not to eat pizza on a tuesday if thats part of their "religious law" but theycant go hacking off thiefs hands eg
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No, for the simple reason, their fathers and forefathers gave their lives for this country, and also paid their taxes for their children to enjoy a better life than thay had. It is being denied them and many people are not happy about it.
There's a difference between people in genuine need and those who feel that they have a life entitlement for no other reason than they can't be bovvered, don't you think?
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Home Secretary launches UK sharia law review 01/06/2016
A new panel has been formed by Theresa May to consider the ways in which sharia law are applied across the UK.
This comes as part of the government’s counter-extremism strategies which have been laid out by the Home Secretary, and the panel is made up of various legal figures as well as theological and religious experts in the field.
Professor Mona Siddiqui will chair the committee, assisted by retired high court judge Sir Mark Hedley, leading family solicitor Anne Marie Hutchinson QC and family law barrister Sam Motaz; as well as Imam Sayed Ali Abbas Razawi, who lectures in philosophy and theology, and Imam Qari Asim, the chief Imam at a mosque in Leeds.
May stated that the review would examine if sharia law was being misused in Britain, and, if so, to what extent it could be considered incompatible with the British legal framework. It is suggested that it will be completed by 2017.
She went on to suggest that if certain sharia councils were acting in a “discriminatory and unacceptable” manner, that this would need to be stopped.
“A number of women have reportedly been victims of what appear to be discriminatory decisions taken by sharia councils, and that is a significant concern,” she added. “There is only one rule of law in our country, which provides rights and security for every citizen.”
Professor Siddiqui stated that “At a time when there is so much focus on Muslims in the UK, this will be a wide-ranging, timely and thorough review as to what actually happens in sharia councils.”
http://www.allaboutlaw.co.uk/law-news/home-secretary-launches-uk-sharia-law-review
Sharia law
Sharia law, or Islamic law, is a custom-based body of law which has developed over nearly 1,500 years. It regulates all aspects of Islamic life, including crime, politics and family. It has been likened to English common law (some believe this should be the other way round) in that the application is based on analogies and is an unwritten law.
However, because the UK is governed by a civil law system Sharia law, a religious law, cannot take precedence over UK law for those who live by it. What the UK has done is to have incorporated several aspects of Sharia law so that it is possible for those who wish to abide by Sharia law to do so under the UK system of law.
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Should there be Sharia law in the UK? Does Islam treat women as equals and according to demands of UK laws? Or are Sharia courts unfair to women?
British Home Secretary Theresa May Thursday launched a review into Sharia law practices in Britain. The legal system, which is based on the Koran, is used to settle family and financial issues within Muslim communities.
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© Paul Hackett Sharia councils face inquiry into ‘discrimination against women’
Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, and Maryam Namazie, human rights activist, discussed the issue of Sharia law practices in Britain.
Mohammed Shafiq said that there are no Sharia courts: “They are Sharia councils, where people on a voluntary basis can go to get advice and get recourse according to Islamic principles.”
He added that every person of any religion is free to do that.
However, Maryam Namazie, human rights activist, said the UK government should reach a position where any type of religious arbitration, when it comes to family matters shouldn’t be allowed. She believes that it is “fundamentally discriminatory against women.”
According to Namazie, there is legal cover for Sharia courts.
“The Sharia councils call themselves courts; those who are presiding over them call themselves judges; the Muslim arbitration tribunals are using the Arbitration act,” she told RT.
Shafiq argues that politicians such as Theresa May and Prime Minister David Cameron have been employing a policy of targeting Muslims. “This is a part of neo-conservative agenda,” he says.
He believes this rhetoric comes in a climate of Islamophobia and anti-Muslim hatred, which is perpetuated by the politicians, people in media, and other commentators. Shafiq says they demonize Muslims and their way of life.
“Sharia law is not about chopping of hands and other barbaric things that we may see around the world,” he told RT. “Sharia law is about how we engage with our neighbors; how we live with people side by side; how we treat members of the wider community,” Shafiq continues.
Namazie denies that the recent inquiry is an attack against the Muslim community. “It is a defense of Muslims and particularly Muslim women,” she said.
“Sharia courts and Sharia law in the family is highly contested. We’re not even talking about Hudood Ordinances, which are the amputations and stoning, but the civil aspects of the law, the family aspect of the law,” Namazie told RT.
The human rights activist argues that it is highly discriminatory and contested in many countries where these laws exist.
“It’s got nothing to do with Islamophobia or hatred against Muslims. I think it is important to see it as a women’s rights issue,” she concluded.
The statements, views and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/344717-sharia-law-uk-may/
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Guide to Islamic marriage and divorce
Guide to Islamic marriage and divorce
A valid Islamic marriage requires mutual agreement, two adult witnesses and a marriage gift (mahr) to be paid by the groom to the bride. Many Muslim couples also have a marriage contract (nikah) in which they seek to agree the terms and conditions of their future together. These conditions are sufficient to create an Islamic marriage in accordance with Sharia law. If the marriage takes place in a country which recognises Sharia marriages as valid then in the eyes of English law the marriage will be valid. However, if the marriage takes place in England, this will not be the case unless the marriage takes place at a registered venue, such as a registered mosque.
A talaq or ‘declaration of divorce’ is used to end an Islamic marriage. The rules vary significantly depending on the country in which this is performed and also as a result of a disparity between the different schools of Islamic jurisprudence. Under Islamic law, following the talaq, a period of waiting (iddah) is also required, during which the couple are supposed to try and reconcile. Should the iddah end without reconciliation, under Islamic law the couple will be divorced. However in England, whilst the talaq is the religious decree involved in divorce, a decree of divorce under the Matrimonial Causes Act 1973 must also be obtained to end any civilly recognised marriage.
Following an Islamic divorce, under Sharia law the husband will no longer be financially responsible for the wife, and will not have to pay her any capital or spousal maintenance (although he will still be responsible for financially maintaining the children of the marriage). As such, it is sensible to try to time the religious divorce to coincide with any arrangement for financial provision if possible, whether that is by agreement or in relation to the English civil law proceedings required to bring the civil marriage to an end.
If the divorce takes place abroad, it may be possible for the weaker party to make a financial claim against the stronger party in England, under Part III of the Matrimonial and Family Proceeding Act 1984. Proceedings under Part III have broadly similar remedies to bringing a financial remedy claim in England in the usual way under the Matrimonial Causes Act 1973. In order to bring a claim under Part III, you need to have had a valid marriage, a proceedings divorce (i.e. some judicial involvement in the divorce) and you must meet the jurisdictional requirements to bring a claim in the English courts.
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Sharia-Law
Sharia Law
The term “Sharia” (Arabic شريعة Šarīʿa; “way” or “path”) is the sacred law of Islam. Sharia law literally means religious code of life. It is used to refer both to the Islamic system of law and the totality of the Islamic way of life.
Sharia guides all aspects of Muslim life including politics, daily routines, foods, clothing, amusements, sports, family and religious obligations, and financial dealings. Traditional Muslims (all mullahs, Mawlanas, Muftis, and Islamic scholars) who understand the Quran and the Hadith believe that sharia (Islamic law) expresses the highest and best goals for all societies on Earth. It is the “law of Allah”.
Until recently, Sharia law had not been recognised as valid law in the UK. Whilst predominately it holds very little legitimacy within the UK, recent developments, particularly in relation to the Arbitration Act, has given some recognition to its principles. With the opportunity to use Sharia law within arbitration, many Muslims as well as non-Muslims are now turning to arbitration as a way of settling disputes.
Our Sharia department will handle contracts specially tailored for Islamic marriages, wills, insurance and mortgages and will also deal with mediation and arbitration in accordance with Islamic principles. Our aim is to find solutions that will satisfy both Sharia and English law. With the combined knowledge and experience of our Islamic Legal Services team, there’s the potential to set precedents and develop a better understanding of the relationship between UK and Sharia law, supporting all those who have often felt trapped between the two.
Our Sharia department deals with the following cases:
• Forced Marriages
• Domestic Violence
• Family Disputes
• Forced Marriage (Civil Protection) Act 2007
• Commercial and Debt Disputes
• Inheritance Disputes
• Mosque Disputes
Forced Marriages
A recent Government study has projected a figure of 3,000 forced marriages a year, and we are told the reality is a lot worse. It is important to make a distinction between arranged marriage and forced or coerced marriage. It has been made clear that arranged marriages have some grounding in Islamic Law, but forced or coerced marriages have no foundations in Islamic Law and shall be nullified under the doctrine of Sharia. Our Islamic Legal Services team believe that this problem can be best addressed by the Muslim community itself. However the Forced Marriage Act 2007 has been a step in the right direction as protection orders can be issued.
Domestic violence
In cases of domestic violence, it is vital to draw a distinction between Islamic laws and national cultures. There are many instances where the offender justifies domestic violence by stating that it is permitted under Islamic law. The intention of our Sharia law team is to clarify major misconceptions.
Family Disputes
Whether or not you are legally married, the stipulations in the Nikah (Islamic marriage contract) such as the Mahr (sum of money or other property that the husband agrees to pay the wife) can be enforced through the English legal system, by way of contract law. In relation to marriage, problems usually arise where a person is Islamically married but not legally married. Our dedicated Sharia law department can help in dissolving a Nikah according to Islamic principles and we will also recommend our clients to Islamic marriage guidance counsellors and pre-marriage classes.
Inheritance
As property ownership has increased, so too has the problem of inheritance. If there is a will, this takes precedence in both English and Islamic law, but challenges can still be made to a will. All too often there is no will and here the matter can become complicated. We provide suggestions on the shares of the various parties concerned according to Islamic law.
Commercial Contracts
Sharia law can be used as a means of arbitration to resolve commercial disputes. An arbitration agreement may be drawn up based on Islamic principles, the aim being is to prevent going to court. Both parties must agree in advance for the arbitration agreement to be binding. An arbitrator is someone who is not connected to either party and must act as an impartial judge with expertise in the relevant field. Disputes may involve disagreements over the quality of goods supplied, interpretation of a trade clause or point of law, or a mixture of these issues.
The Arbitration Act lays out the powers of the arbitrators that include limiting the costs to be recoverable by either party and making orders which are equivalent to High Court injunctions if the parties were in agreement. Arbitrators are also authorised to participate in an inquisitorial role, investigating the facts of the case, as many of them would have expertise in the relevant fields.
Arbitration proceedings are informal and can be held in private, with the time and place determined by the parties. The arbitrator’s judgment, known as the Award, can be delivered instantaneously, and is binding on the parties as a High Court judgement would be. The award is generally considered as final, but appeal may be made to the High Court, with the approval of all the parties, or with the permission of the Court by way of judicial review. The High Court may ratify, vary or reverse the award, or send it back to the arbitrator for reconsideration.
http://www.hkhlegal.com/sharia-law.html
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DOI: 10.5176/2251-2853_3.2.161
Authors: Letizia Riccardi
Abstract:
This study explores the debate concerning the implementation of Sharia Law in Britain and its consequences for the Muslim community. In recent years, Muslims in the UK have expressed particular needs: not only active participation in politics, economics and society at large, but also legal recognition as Muslim citizens, claiming for the development of a parallel legal system opposed to State Law. Operating under the Arbitration Act (1996), 85 Sharia Courts in Britain are today recognised as providing a form of Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR). Existing literature has outlined a broad historical and contextual background and has mainly focused on theoretical understandings, while little attention has been paid to the experience of the individual and the key issue of power with regards to gender relations. Since the majority of users of Sharia Councils are women, this study aims to investigate the issue of power with regards to gender relations and find out whether such unofficial mediation practices lead to equal treatment of men and women.
Keywords: Alternative Dispute Resolution, Gender, Legal Pluralism, Sharia Law
http://dl4.globalstf.org/?wpsc-product=women-at-a-crossroads-between-uk-legislation-and-sharia-law
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New Bill on Sharia law introduced in House of Lords
June 9th, 2011
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A new Bill has been introduced in the House of Lords by Baroness Cox, which reportedly will introduce an offence carrying a five-year jail sentence for anyone falsely claiming that Sharia courts or councils have legal jurisdiction over family or criminal law. The Arbitration and Mediation Services (Equality) Bill is a Private Members’ Bill.
In recent years, the BHA has worked with others including ethnic minority women’s groups, lawyers and those working directly with women who use Sharia councils, in order to develop our own thinking and policy on these difficult issues. We have also spoken publicly on the issue of Sharia law and women’s rights in a number of forums.
In response to the BHA’s representations, the previous government was explicit that English courts do not recognise the judgments of Sharia councils as legally binding judgements. In other words, the ‘rulings’ of religious bodies – whether Sharia councils, the Jewish Beth Din, Roman Catholic ecclesiastical authorities or any other private establishment making pronouncements on religious rules – have no enforceability in English law. When meeting the present Justice minister Lord McNally, we clarified that this was the case.
However, the BHA is aware that under civil law and specifically the Arbitration Act, there are some circumstances where decisions will be made in religious councils which – if they are not illegal under English law – could be binding, just as the decision by any other private individual acting as ‘arbitrator’ under the Arbitration Act might be. This is greatly concerning.
In addition the Crown Prosecution Service may on occasion have referred cases to Sharia councils. The BHA believes those kinds of actions, or any de facto recognition of religious law and religious judges or tribunals by English authorities, are totally unacceptable.
BHA Head of Public Affairs Naomi Phillips commented, ‘Many religious “laws” are inherently gender unequal, and as such are antithetical to the principles of democracy and the rule of law which we uphold in a liberal democracy. We welcome any clarification that religious laws, judges and tribunals should have no de facto or legal recognition in English law and have no standing in our domestic courts, as this new Bill may seek to do. Just as important is that government and others should undertake serious and wide-ranging work to ensure that women and men from every part of society, right from school age, understand their civil rights as citizens.’
Notes:
For further comment or information contact Naomi Phillips at naomi@humanism.org.uk or 020 7079 3585.
Click here to read the Bill, and here for the explanatory notes.
The British Humanist Association is the national charity working on behalf of ethically concerned, non-religious people in the UK. It is the largest organisation in the UK campaigning for an end to religious privilege and to discrimination based on religion or belief, and for a secular state.
https://humanism.org.uk/2011/06/09/news-822/
It seems that the Bill is only at the first reading in the House of Lords...
http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2016-17/arbitrationandmediationservicesequality.html
The Bill:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2015-2016/0136/cbill_2015-20160136_en_2.htm#pt1-l1g1
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The way I understand it is that if any of it contravenes UK law its not allowed, so eg members of that communty might decide not to eat pizza on a tuesday if thats part of their "religious law" but theycant go hacking off thiefs hands eg
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Sort of, but it seems to be a bit more than that.
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The Jewish faith appears to have a similar system (Beth Din).
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/jun/27/mps-launch-inquiry-sharia-law-courts-uk
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Sort of, but it seems to be a bit more than that.
Wonder how May is going to reconcile the two projects/laws which are linked if she is as she says going to eradicate inequality and injustice throughout society
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/dec/18/theresa-may-domestic-abuse-offence-coercive-behaviour
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No if's No But's No sharia LAW, or any other religious LAW. One law for everyone, and anyone assuming to have legal hold over another citizen according to having 'conversations, and being appointed by a powerful invisible being in sky should be diagnosed as having a mental illness and treated accordingly. IMO. Religion has no place in politics.
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No if's No But's No sharia LAW, or any other religious LAW. One law for everyone, and anyone assuming to have legal hold over another citizen according to having 'conversations, and being appointed by a powerful invisible being in sky should be diagnosed as having a mental illness and treated accordingly. IMO. Religion has no place in politics.
I happen to agree with you on that.
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Just to say I didn't add this thread, someone else did.
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Then we have this in areas I know well.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/judaism/living/eruv_1.shtml
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I happen to agree with you on that.
I don't have a problem with faith-based arbitration (minor squabble) courts provided that:
a) both parties are informed of their rights and duties under UK law
b) the decision to do so is truly consensual
c) that the potential decisions are not in contradiction with any UK law
If people of the Green Onion faith take an issue to their arbritration service, and the decision for the losing party is a ban on eating tomatoes for a month, then I don't see the big deal.
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Sharia-compliant banking:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/sharia-compliant-savings-and-bank-accounts-rocket-in-popularity-across-britain-10220992.html
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We should be better informed next year;
26th May 2016
An independent review into the application of sharia law in England and Wales has been launched by Home Secretary Theresa May today.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/independent-review-into-sharia-law-launched
There are real doubts as to whether this will be yet another Theresa May enquiry/review which gets nowhere because (either negligently or wilfully) she has put wholly the wrong people in charge.
From upthread:
"Professor Mona Siddiqui will chair the committee, assisted by retired high court judge Sir Mark Hedley, leading family solicitor Anne Marie Hutchinson QC and family law barrister Sam Motaz; as well as Imam Sayed Ali Abbas Razawi, who lectures in philosophy and theology, and Imam Qari Asim, the chief Imam at a mosque in Leeds".
As can be seen by articles in the Independent (9 July) and the Express (13 July) and other recent articles, over 200 individuals and groups representing women and ex-Muslims and a galaxy of human rights groups are unanimous in calling for the review to be scrapped and a new one set up with an independent judge in charge.
The basic question is whether or not Sharia law should have any place in this country, given the way it daily dispenses justice against women - tolerating domestic violence by men, granting grossly unfair divorces, unequal treatment in inheritance law and on other financial issues etc. etc.
It is wholly male justice using texts which inter alia say that a woman's evidence is half that of a man.
Mona Siddiqui is a smug university professor who constantly promotes Islam, never criticises it, and is on record as saying we may need to 'look' at how Sharia law operates but has never said there is a case for getting rid of these discriminatory Sharia courts.
And to help her reach a decision on this matter, she is assisted by two male imams (!), but no representatives of ex-Muslim or women's rights groups.
May made similar blunders with the child abuse inquiry now under Lady Goddard, first appointing Lady Woolf (close to Leon Brittan) and then Lady Butler-Sloss. Both had to be abandoned under pressure from groups representing child sexual abuse victims.
It's another 'May mess' - which will now have to be sorted out by Amber Rudd.
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The way I see it, foreigners of any religion coming to the UK must accept that we have our own laws and moral values which have been formed over many generations. Being accepted into this country requires that they comply with those codes but this is not always happening. We have massive discrimination against foreign women by their male counterparts, forced and underage marriages, human trafficking, enslavement, female genital mutiliation and much more. As more and more immigrants are being assimiliated into our society is it not time these issues were addressed instead of sweeping them under the carpet?
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The way I see it, foreigners of any religion coming to the UK must accept that we have our own laws and moral values which have been formed over many generations. Being accepted into this country requires that they comply with those codes but this is not always happening. We have massive discrimination against foreign women by their male counterparts, forced and underage marriages, human trafficking, enslavement, female genital mutiliation and much more. As more and more immigrants are being assimiliated into our society is it not time these issues were addressed instead of sweeping them under the carpet?
Yes, of course, but many of the practices that you mention are illegal under UK law anyway.
In the areas in which disputes can currently be taken to Sharia courts (as an alternative option to UK lower courts), I don't really see the connection, except for where the option is misused / abused.
There is a similar option for Jews (how well that works in practice, I have no idea).
The inquiry seems to be a worthwhile exercise in which i's can be dotted and t's crossed.
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Yes, of course, but many of the practices that you mention are illegal under UK law anyway.
In the areas in which disputes can currently be taken to Sharia courts (as an alternative option to UK lower courts), I don't really see the connection, except for where the option is misused / abused.
There is a similar option for Jews (how well that works in practice, I have no idea).
The inquiry seems to be a worthwhile exercise in which i's can be dotted and t's crossed.
Therein lies the problem. Any new law must pass "The LBJ Test"*. Too many are flung together to satisfy one pressure group or another or make the government of the day look as though it has its finger on the pulse.
* "You do not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harms it would cause if improperly administered". Lyndon B. Johnson
or if you will Robert Townsend "It is ten times easier to start something than it is to stop it". (roughly)
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Therein lies the problem. Any new law must pass "The LBJ Test"*. Too many are flung together to satisfy one pressure group or another or make the government of the day look as though it has its finger on the pulse.
* "You do not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harms it would cause if improperly administered". Lyndon B. Johnson
or if you will Robert Townsend "It is ten times easier to start something than it is to stop it". (roughly)
Quite possibly... but I don't know enough about how any of it became introduced in the first place.
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I had read very recently that it is mostly women who use the tribunal, but I can't find the cite at the moment, and it may not be accurate anyway.
This explains why some women may choose to do so in order to get a divorce.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7238890.stm
Presumably, more will come to light via the inquiry as to whether the system is being misused, and if so, to what extent.
The Jewish Beth Din has apparently been in use in the UK for centuries (I hadn't even heard of it until I was reading around this topic a few days ago).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7233040.stm
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I had read very recently that it is mostly women who use the tribunal, but I can't find the cite at the moment, and it may not be accurate anyway.
This explains why some women may choose to do so in order to get a divorce.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7238890.stm
Presumably, more will come to light via the inquiry as to whether the system is being misused, and if so, to what extent.
The Jewish Beth Din has apparently been in use in the UK for centuries (I hadn't even heard of it until I was reading around this topic a few days ago).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7233040.stm
Ultra Traditional Jewish are no better
Themencan issue a Get (lost I suppose)to divorce their wives but the women cant
I suppose at least they are not hypocritical as the Islamists are who quote the koran that both sexes are equal when it suits and quote it that theyre not when it doesnt
Im sure Christians do the same as well
Religion is used for power and abuse by men over women and other peoples
You cantbanreligionbut you can thoroughly remove it from anywhere near law and government IMO
It has no place there
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Quite possibly... but I don't know enough about how any of it became introduced in the first place.
I am not sure in this case either but we should have stuck out for the premises that minorities are treated the same way as everyone else and the values of our society and its laws are not up for discussion or negotiation.
As soon as you decide that the minorities are different and have to be addressed through often self appointed "community spokespersons" you are dead in the water. These "community spokespersons" are almost invariably old men who are also religiously and socially conservative. The big disadvantage of this is that it pisses of the young who expected something different and better in their new homeland. It can then be argued the young are disenfranchised by both sides ............................
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Anyone migrating to this country should first be thankful for being taken in and secondly be respectful, ie by thirdly should integrate pdq
Coming over from muslim countries and demanding this that and the other is pathetic, just stay there then where its already in place
Why bring your backward problems to our shores
honour killings female genital mutilation and the rest of the friday the thirteenth motley crew
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Therein lies the problem. Any new law must pass "The LBJ Test"*. Too many are flung together to satisfy one pressure group or another or make the government of the day look as though it has its finger on the pulse.
* "You do not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harms it would cause if improperly administered".[/i] Lyndon B. Johnson
or if you will Robert Townsend "It is ten times easier to start something than it is to stop it". (roughly)
Surely, though, any law (improperly administered) will do harm?
We have a law which prohibits taking of life.
And yet there are circumstances in which you may (lawfully) take life.
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Surely, though, any law (improperly administered) will do harm?
We have a law which prohibits taking of life.
And yet there are circumstances in which you may (lawfully) take life.
Take it up with Lyndon Johnson.
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Anyone migrating to this country should first be thankful for being taken in and secondly be respectful, ie by thirdly should integrate pdq
Coming over from muslim countries and demanding this that and the other is pathetic, just stay there then where its already in place
Why bring your backward problems to our shores
honour killings female genital mutilation and the rest of the friday the thirteenth motley crew
Very true. Those migrants from Syria and Iraq for example are from several different sects and tribes (Sunni and Shia) and will bring their old hatreds with them to their adopted land. How long will it be before those same poor refugees end up warring again?
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Very true. Those migrants from Syria and Iraq for example are from several different sects and tribes (Sunni and Shia) and will bring their old hatreds with them to their adopted land. How long will it be before those same poor refugees end up warring again?
Not for those who love the 'cites' and 'stats' but.... that started long ago, long ,long ago. Just like you never hear about white people being discriminated by minorities or racial [ censored word ]ed against white people it is like it does not exist because no stats are kept. In fact it is up there with male domestic abuse by female partners- it just didn't happen because there were no stats to support the claims. All magic. The government will use any old form of crap to tell us we are all living happily apart from a few Nazis who walk among us.