A simple question for you Carana. Do you think Nicola Sturgeon has any mandate in Scotland with only 1.6 million voted out of a total electorate of 4 million?
A nation is defined as a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.
There is a clear division in Scotland between the Highlands and the Lowlands in all those areas except the fact that they all live in a partivular country. Therefore I think Scotland is a country, but not a nation. .
All the battles fought and the people who've died either trying to maintain their independence or trying to unify.
All a bit sad, IMO.
True.
Many lives lost in the American War of Independence and other struggles for independence.
However I don't believe blood will be spilled in the attempt to gain independence for Scotland.
True.
Many lives lost in the American War of Independence and other struggles for independence.
However I don't believe blood will be spilled in the attempt to gain independence for Scotland.
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" You cannot be serious"
Is there any nation which you do believe to be a real nation and not just a country?
The Irish, apart from the settlers in Northern Ireland. The Kurds are a nation who have no country.
Two questions.
Why are the Irish a nation?
Why are the Scots not a nation?
You'll probably find that more Scots live and work outside of Scotland these days as Scotland cannot provide the opportunities for young people they can find south of the border. And with an ageing population that is why they are desperate to import immigrants. They are importing trouble however, a ticking time bomb.
The Irish have a shared ethnicity, culture and language. The Scottish Highlanders are ethnicly closer to the Irish than to the Scottish Lowlanders who are more like the English; a mixture of Germanic peoples. It was the Highlanders who wore kilts, played the bagpipes and spoke gaelic.The Ldowlanders only began to embrace those things in Victorian times.
You are absolutely 100% correct on this score.
Ergarth said"It may not be in my lifetime but I believe my grandchildren will live in an independent Scotland."
And what kind of independance would this be then? seperated from England and Wales but ruled by the EU- which will include Turkey at some point.
I think many people forget the men and women in the UK, as in the United Kingdom, fought two world wars many millions were slaughtered by EU countries, but we just can't live with the fact that at one time the English has skirmishes with Scotland centuries ago... wow makeas you think really!
We could ask the kiddies who feel really upset- given therapy for years because of this dilemma they face- poor wee mites- which oppressive 'enemy' they want to play with... ^*&&
Scotland did not vote to stay or leave the EU - they did vote for staying in the UK and the UK Population, who voted, wanted Brexit stands legally!
Let us not forget Irish voters stood up to the EU twice but they were over ruled ...
Is this your opinion formed from your time living in Scotland?
Do you believe that to be Scottish one has to play the bagpipes, wear a kilt and speak the Gaelic?
Is this your opinion formed from your time living in Scotland?
Do you believe that to be Scottish one has to play the bagpipes, wear a kilt and speak the Gaelic?
You need to brush up on your history re the English skirmishes with Scotland. There never was a Glorious Union.
You need to brush up on your history re the English skirmishes with Scotland. There never was a Glorious Union.
I think MTI might be referring to James I of England who was also James VI of Scotland.
James VI and I (James Charles Stuart; 19 June 1566 – 27 March 1625) was King of Scotland as James VI from 24 July 1567 and King of England and Ireland as James I from the union of the Scottish and English crowns on 24 March 1603 until his death in 1625. The kingdoms of Scotland and England were individual sovereign states, with their own parliaments, judiciaries, and laws, though both were ruled by James in personal union.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I
No. I'm speaking of what makes a nation. Anyone born in the country of Scotland is Scottish but that doesn't make them part of a Scottish nation. Country and nation are not interchangeable terms.
I was referring to "The Glorious Union."
The Irish who came to work here were castigated by families back home for 'working for the nasty British' The pope wanted a foot hold so sent in the priests to make sure those catholics were kept under control. And just in case you missed it The catholic church deny womens rights and freedoms and sexual expression. In Ireland, condoms are looked upon as a bad thing and abortions are still illegal! whether you belive in abortions or not.
The oppression, rape, murder and abuse on the Irish by the 'catholic church' is well documented. so don't blame me for telling it like it is! Some catholics hated being catholics and wanted to be free.
I was referring to "The Glorious Union."
The notion that the young generation of voters who are seeking Independence base that desire because of skirmishes and battles with the English hundreds of years ago is insulting to their intelligence.
And you speak on their behalf. OK.
I must have missed that sound ecomomic policy which would bring great wealth and jobs to scotland as a result on Independance. Perhaps you can provide it for me to have a read and perhaps I will change my mind...
And mibeeez you can also explain why young talents are leaving this country to move to England as they will pay less tax!
The SNP wanted tax raising powers , what did they do? they stole from the low paid... yes indeed. they did. Many who were brought into a tax bracket they were not in before.. OH MY socialist policy at work.
It should be clear that those who lived through the history and were part of it have a clearer recall than those infeted history books.
My great aunt was tarred and feathered because she kissed a proddy! (Protestant) They got married -her family hated all of us even though their daughter was well loved and cared for by her inlaws- she left abject poverty to a wealthy family. And some members of my mothers side hated her because she was a catholic!- so spare me the sarcasm - you do not own the history of Scotland. My Family goes way way back to the Stewarts.
Fortunately my Protestant Great Grandfather and my Catholic Great Grandmother came from more enlightened and tolerant families.
Therefore I cannot identify with such bigotry and nastiness.
haha you don't live in the central belt? you don't witness the bigotry. Good for you. keep them eyes closed you are missing a lot of things!
IMO It was more to do with intolerance and ignorance AND mind bendingly fear of an oppressive religion- but you like put your own take on it .I get it. *%87
Actually I do live in the central belt of Scotland and although I personally have not been the victim of intolerance, I am aware that such intolerance exists.
Your continual deprecation of all things related to Catholicism is interesting but has nothing to do with the discussion of independence for Scotland or whether Scotland is indeed just a country but not a nation.
According to you there is no Scottish nation, only a country!!
How many nations do you believe there are in the world apart from the Irish and the Kurds?
No. I'm speaking of what makes a nation. Anyone born in the country of Scotland is Scottish but that doesn't make them part of a Scottish nation. Country and nation are not interchangeable terms.This all sounds a bit racist to me.
According to you there is no Scottish nation, only a country!!Only those that are ethnically pure by the sounds of it...
How many nations do you believe there are in the world apart from the Irish and the Kurds?
The Irish who came to work here were castigated by families back home for 'working for the nasty British' The pope wanted a foot hold so sent in the priests to make sure those catholics were kept under control. And just in case you missed it The catholic church deny womens rights and freedoms and sexual expression. In Ireland, condoms are looked upon as a bad thing and abortions are still illegal! whether you belive in abortions or not.What’s this got to do with the price of fish?
The oppression, rape, murder and abuse on the Irish by the 'catholic church' is well documented. so don't blame me for telling it like it is! Some catholics hated being catholics and wanted to be free.
And you speak on their behalf. OK.And I’m descended from Robert the Bruce. Or is it Bruce Forsyth? I forget.
I must have missed that sound ecomomic policy which would bring great wealth and jobs to scotland as a result on Independance. Perhaps you can provide it for me to have a read and perhaps I will change my mind...
And mibeeez you can also explain why young talents are leaving this country to move to England as they will pay less tax!
The SNP wanted tax raising powers , what did they do? they stole from the low paid... yes indeed. they did. Many who were brought into a tax bracket they were not in before.. OH MY socialist policy at work.
It should be clear that those who lived through the history and were part of it have a clearer recall than those infeted history books.
My great aunt was tarred and feathered because she kissed a proddy! (Protestant) They got married -her family hated all of us even though their daughter was well loved and cared for by her inlaws- she left abject poverty to a wealthy family. And some members of my mothers side hated her because she was a catholic!- so spare me the sarcasm - you do not own the history of Scotland. My Family goes way way back to the Stewarts.
I have given a definition of a nation and explained why Scotland doesn't fit that defnition. Perhaps it would be quicker if you explained why you think Scotland is a nation.
This expert got it all wrong, tsk tsk
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Scottish-Nation-Modern-History/dp/0718193202
It sounds like racial purity has something to do with G-Unit’s definition of nation. So, not England because of all the immigrants over the years. Somewhere like Japan or Papua New Guinea probably count as nations by her definition.
You would have to give me further examples of "nations" who are "nations" and "nations " who are not "nations"
According to the veritable wikipedia, a nation is a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory. That would appear to rule out many incomers to the UK automatically.Does a nation cease to be a nation if it has a significant immigrant or immigrant descendants population?
Does a nation cease to be a nation if it has a significant immigrant or immigrant descendants population?
Depends on how significant I suppose. One could also ask how many generations must those people occupy a land before it becomes a nation.The Americans consider the US to be a nation despite the fact that it is essentially a country of immigrants.
Is the USA a nation by virtue of its European, Chinese or African hertitage? Bearing in mind the fact that the Red Indian nations are all descended from the Mongoloid peoples of Asia.
According to the veritable wikipedia, a nation is a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory. That would appear to rule out many incomers to the UK automatically.
I don't think England, Canada, Australia or the USA are nations in the strict sense of the word, they are countries. Their populations don't have a common descent and they don't all share a history or culture.
Ernest Renan's What is a Nation? (1882) declares that "race is confused with nation and a sovereignty analogous to that of really existing peoples is attributed to ethnographic or, rather linguistic groups", and "[t]he truth is that there is no pure race and that to make politics depend upon ethnographic analysis is to surrender it to a chimera", echoing a sentiment of civic nationalism. He also claims that a nation does not form on the basis of dynasty, language, religion, geography, or shared interests. Rather, "[a] nation is a soul, a spiritual principle. Two things, which in truth are but one, constitute this soul or spiritual principle. One lies in the past, one in the present. One is the possession in common of a rich legacy of memories; the other is present-day consent, the desire to live together, the will to perpetuate the value of the heritage that one has received in an undivided form", emphasizing the democratic and historical aspects of what constitutes a nation, although, "[f]orgetting, I would even go so far as to say historical error, is a crucial factor in the creation of a nation". "A nation is therefore a large-scale solidarity", which Renan says is reaffirmed in a "daily plebiscite".[4]
I reckon Scotland can safely be called a nation judging from the above.
It sounds like racial purity has something to do with G-Unit’s definition of nation. So, not England because of all the immigrants over the years. Somewhere like Japan or Papua New Guinea probably count as nations by her definition.
It gets complicated.
What about Native Americans within the USA?
A very happy Burns day to all.
Our national poet an Ayrshire man whose poetry has become much admired by many, many nations around the globe.
And to The King over the water.
I have to say I find this looking back to the past by the Irish and the Scottish people very strange. I don't think anyone seriously imagines that a Bavarian Duke's connection to the House of Stuart is relevant to anything in today's world.
It is if he is a descendent. A large number of my Irish family died at Culloden. And Yes, I do mind.
I think most people have ancestors who were killed in some battle or another, but it's gone and past now. Holding onto these matters for almost 300 years seems a bit OTT to me.
I have to say I find this looking back to the past by the Irish and the Scottish people very strange. I don't think anyone seriously imagines that a Bavarian Duke's connection to the House of Stuart is relevant to anything in today's world.
I have to say I find this looking back to the past by the Irish and the Scottish people very strange. I don't think anyone seriously imagines that a Bavarian Duke's connection to the House of Stuart is relevant to anything in today's world.So much in life perplexes you doesn’t it? Holding onto and celebrating history and tradition is an aspect of what makes a nation a nation.
So much in life perplexes you doesn’t it? Holding onto and celebrating history and tradition is an aspect of what makes a nation a nation.
People seem to be uniting over their defeats where Culloden is cncerned.And?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3lYLphzAnw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3lYLphzAnw(&^&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3lYLphzAnw
That was really funny.
LOL ... I've always found it hilarious and I think we've all been there ... I didn't expect it still to be here this morning once Admin cast a beady eye over it ... the language is appalling.
It is appalling but hilarious.
The ability of Scots to laugh at themselves is a good quality.
It is worthwhile noting that many Glaswegians have lovely accents, not all are Rab C Nesbitt. @)(++(*
I could listen to Billy Connolly for ever but couldn't understand his hero, Hamish Imlach.
I'm ashamed to say I have never heard of Hamish Imlach.
Will go and have a Google.
Yes I too like Billy Connellys voice.
Needless to say my parents did not approve of his language but did find him funny.
In the good old days of Irvine folk club when everyone was 'paid' peanuts ... my friends were among the good folk of Irvine who put the guys up in their homes. Many a good laugh I've had at the tales of their antics.
All great folks who epitomised what it is to be Scottish.
It probably still goes on at Marymass (worth a Google) every year.
In saying - that we played a Connelly tape to Scottish exile friends on a visit home... we were helpless with laughter but their Irish spouses didn't catch a word.
To clear up any misunderstanding, my post was not to be taken seriously.
I don't imagine the said Duke wants to be crowned King of Scotland.
Nor do I wish him to be.
There are more than enough Royals in the UK.
Decidedly too many .IMO
But that is a whole different topic.
OMG I agree with you too Erngath. Far too many royals in the UK and costing us mere plebiscites far to much to keep in the manner they have been accustomed to.
I'm ashamed to say I have never heard of Hamish Imlach.
Will go and have a Google.
Yes I too like Billy Connellys voice.
Needless to say my parents did not approve of his language but did find him funny.
It’s Connolly. Billy Connolly.
It’s Connolly. Billy Connolly.Of course it is!!! I'll need to sort my post out.
I only heard of Hamish Imlach because he came to the Outer Hebrides to 'entertain the troops'. My husband understood him, so he ended up doing a running commentry for me.
Ny father-in-law heard of Connelly's reputation and bought an LP he made. He gave it to me vecause he couldn't understand a word of it. My children understood Connelly, but struggled to understand their Granfather's broad Lancashire accent. He also used a lot of words they didn't nderstand; thee, thou, tha, skrike, jackbit, whist, hasta, and many more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFIBVNhjs7E
I can't say I can catch every word, though.
I have just watched the disgusting behaviour of the Conservative members of Parliament shouting and heckling the SNP leader of the House of Commons
It's no wonder an increasing number of Scots feel that Westminster has no interest in the Scottish vote .
The SNP doesn't represent the whole of Scotland, of course. There are Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat MP's representing Scotland too.
The SNP doesn't represent the whole of Scotland, of course. There are Conservative, Labour and Liberal Democrat MP's representing Scotland too.
Not a lot of Labour MPs, I don't think.
Seven I believe.
Thirteen Conservatives.
Four Lib Dems.
Thirty five SNP........and yes I did use Google. @)(++(*
So Labour has improved somewhat lately. There's a surprise.
That's Westminster of course.
Holyrood is
SNP. 62
Conservatives 31
Labour 23
Green 6
SLD 5
Sorry. You've lost me. What is the difference?
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The first set of figures are the number of Scottish members of Parliament at Westminster
The second set of figures are the Scottish Parliament members at the Scottish Parliament.
Why is there a difference? Don't all MPs get to go to Westminster?
No, we vote for candidates to represent us at Westminster and different candidates to represent us at the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh.
And of course we vote for councillors to represent us in our local authority elections.and we did have elections for members of the European Parliament.........that one will cease.
Gosh. That is interesting. I didn't know that. Isn't it a bit complicated?
PS. I did so want Independence for Scotland
Gosh. That is interesting. I didn't know that. Isn't it a bit complicated?
PS. I did so want Independence for Scotland
The Scottish people didn't want independance, however. We seem to have an ardent Scottish Nationalist posting here, but there are other opnions in Scotland.
There are 'ardent" supporters of many a cause posting here.
I can't think of any who speak (imo) as though they represent the views of an entire country.
The Scottish people didn't want independance, however. We seem to have an ardent Scottish Nationalist posting here, but there are other opnions in Scotland.
Who? Me? My ardent love of Scotland is entirely related to ancestry, and working as a bus conductress in Glasgow, along with a fair few years of living there.
I never had a problem with drunks coming out of Ibrox on a Saturday night, although it was probably my accent that stopped them dead in their tracks. And my bus driver, of course. What a short arsed little warrior he was. He would have been terrifying in a kilt with a claymore.
I never did resort to, "Come orn, get arf." It made me laugh too much.
No, not you. I too love Scotland and it's people. It's a pity that some of them see the answer to their troubles as lying in separation from the UK. After all, it's the UK government they resent and plenty of English people feel the same. Think of the North/South devide. When we lived in Germany we received an extra amount of money to live on. When we lived in the Outer Hebrides we didn't, although it was much more expensive than living in Germany. I was able o work in Germany, but the Hebrideans blocked Army wives from getting jobs there unless no local person was interested.
No, not you. I too love Scotland and it's people. It's a pity that some of them see the answer to their troubles as lying in separation from the UK. After all, it's the UK government they resent and plenty of English people feel the same. Think of the North/South devide. When we lived in Germany we received an extra amount of money to live on. When we lived in the Outer Hebrides we didn't, although it was much more expensive than living in Germany. I was able o work in Germany, but the Hebrideans blocked Army wives from getting jobs there unless no local person was interested.
I can't think of any who speak (imo) as though they represent the views of an entire country.
Indeed. Probably the best time for independance was in the 70's according to my gran. We had oil,gas,and a lot of industry...we were wealthy then, and could in the right hands, prosper like Norway, however labour controlled governements over the years followed by Conservatives made many economic mistakes not just for scotland but for all UK.
The scottish people voted for labour governements, thinking they were voting for the 'working man' but when the working man had little or no work they had no voice. thanks to Labour governments they voted for!
Lets tell it like it really is eh?
As investments in people declined in Scotland- those who had talent= scientists/inventors,innovators-doctors nurses etc fled because they saw what was coming. WHat was expected was the saviour of the SNP, but ,alas they turned out to be just as useless as Labour and Conservatives with their stupid ideas and money wasting projects. The Parliament was designed and built by non scots- paid for by non scots the estimated cost flew right off the richter scale!
The people who cared enough voted to stay within the UK. Those who want independance will have to prove to me why I should want that by hard facts and figures.
Sturgeon is stealing money from the just over the poverty line to give to the below poverty line. Who is going to provide our wealth? Germany? the EU?
SNP= keep on taxing us our of a job darling.
What has the SNP done to rid us of the embarassment of housing 'refugees' to not providing homes for those who born and work here? homeless 'refugees' well ther are none! what has the SNP done to ensure scottish people have an opportunity to work with Scottish Government agencies - we need to fill places with Polish/Africans really no white scottish people have these skills if not why not?
Not very Nationalist is it ? Building super hospitals with little or no regular bus services- out in a wilderness-staff with no suitable qualifications oh the list is endless.
However the SNP cannot claim to be successful in anything onw their own- can they?
I would love to hear the argument that independance would be great for Scotland- just what are the English holding back from us exactly?
It would be VERY interesting to assertain how many 2nd 3rd generation Irish voters want independance?...
A very confused post.
I don't have the time or inclination to bother with it.
English people get the government they vote for.
We don't.
It's really not as simple as resentment and finding the answer.to our problems.
It's a pity you cannot appreciate that many here would like to have their own government.
I'm off now to raise the Saltire at the foot of the garden, don the blue face paint, in the style of Braveheart
and scream " Freedom"
Indeed. Probably the best time for independance was in the 70's according to my gran. We had oil,gas,and a lot of industry...we were wealthy then, and could in the right hands, prosper like Norway, however labour controlled governements over the years followed by Conservatives made many economic mistakes not just for scotland but for all UK.
The scottish people voted for labour governements, thinking they were voting for the 'working man' but when the working man had little or no work they had no voice. thanks to Labour governments they voted for!
Lets tell it like it really is eh?
As investments in people declined in Scotland- those who had talent= scientists/inventors,innovators-doctors nurses etc fled because they saw what was coming. WHat was expected was the saviour of the SNP, but ,alas they turned out to be just as useless as Labour and Conservatives with their stupid ideas and money wasting projects. The Parliament was designed and built by non scots- paid for by non scots the estimated cost flew right off the richter scale!
The people who cared enough voted to stay within the UK. Those who want independance will have to prove to me why I should want that by hard facts and figures.
Sturgeon is stealing money from the just over the poverty line to give to the below poverty line. Who is going to provide our wealth? Germany? the EU?
SNP= keep on taxing us our of a job darling.
What has the SNP done to rid us of the embarassment of housing 'refugees' to not providing homes for those who born and work here? homeless 'refugees' well ther are none! what has the SNP done to ensure scottish people have an opportunity to work with Scottish Government agencies - we need to fill places with Polish/Africans really no white scottish people have these skills if not why not?
Not very Nationalist is it ? Building super hospitals with little or no regular bus services- out in a wilderness-staff with no suitable qualifications oh the list is endless.
However the SNP cannot claim to be successful in anything onw their own- can they?
I would love to hear the argument that independance would be great for Scotland- just what are the English holding back from us exactly?
It would be VERY interesting to assertain how many 2nd 3rd generation Irish voters want independance?...
Of course, it works both ways Erngath, we in England get Scottish MPs voting on purely English & Welsh matters. Personally I have never believed that they should be allowed to do this.
Personally I am very happy that we are one United Kingdom though. Whether others are happy is up to them.
A very confused post.
I don't have the time or inclination to bother with it.
Are you Scottish? Gosh, that would be a revelation. And at least there is some heartfelt opinion in your comment for which I applaud, even if I don't agree with you.
Let's have a few more comments like this from you.
I am Scottish my Ancestry going back centuries. Which gives me a right to tell it like it is.
All my opinions are heartfelt, some people just do not read them that way, due to blinkered vision and over valued self worth. or point scoring.
As leader of my debating society at Universty, I articulate well enough- getting straight A's in over 70% of modules and first class Hons degree. My first ever debate challenge was to win a tournament arguing why Hitler was good for Germany- well tough Job- I won it outright. Not because I or others were Nazis-on the contrary- I just told it as it was.
Educated people learn how to question and research. Something this forum is bereft of. It lacks tolerance of independant thinking. censorship over freedom of speech is never a good idea.
Yes, Scottish and Irish MPs have used their votes to block English matters. Some people just spit their dummies out of the pram and expect attention tsk!
Independence. IndependEnce.
I am always somewhat amused be ardent Brexiteers who can’t understand Scotland’s desire to split from the Union.
Independence. IndependEnce.
I am always somewhat amused be ardent Brexiteers who can’t understand Scotland’s desire to split from the Union.
As you are correcting my spelling I assume you are speaking to me. If so, please note I'm neither a leaver or remainer; I don't care either way. My interest is in democracy.
I was just pointing out that financially Scotland will be worse off if it leaves the UK. The UK, on the other hand, will be better off if it leaves the EU.
Indeed. Probably the best time for independance was in the 70's according to my gran. We had oil,gas,and a lot of industry...we were wealthy then, and could in the right hands, prosper like Norway, however labour controlled governements over the years followed by Conservatives made many economic mistakes not just for scotland but for all UK.
The scottish people voted for labour governements, thinking they were voting for the 'working man' but when the working man had little or no work they had no voice. thanks to Labour governments they voted for!
Lets tell it like it really is eh?
As investments in people declined in Scotland- those who had talent= scientists/inventors,innovators-doctors nurses etc fled because they saw what was coming. WHat was expected was the saviour of the SNP, but ,alas they turned out to be just as useless as Labour and Conservatives with their stupid ideas and money wasting projects. The Parliament was designed and built by non scots- paid for by non scots the estimated cost flew right off the richter scale!
The people who cared enough voted to stay within the UK. Those who want independance will have to prove to me why I should want that by hard facts and figures.
Sturgeon is stealing money from the just over the poverty line to give to the below poverty line. Who is going to provide our wealth? Germany? the EU?
SNP= keep on taxing us our of a job darling.
What has the SNP done to rid us of the embarassment of housing 'refugees' to not providing homes for those who born and work here? homeless 'refugees' well ther are none! what has the SNP done to ensure scottish people have an opportunity to work with Scottish Government agencies - we need to fill places with Polish/Africans really no white scottish people have these skills if not why not?
Not very Nationalist is it ? Building super hospitals with little or no regular bus services- out in a wilderness-staff with no suitable qualifications oh the list is endless.
However the SNP cannot claim to be successful in anything onw their own- can they?
I would love to hear the argument that independance would be great for Scotland- just what are the English holding back from us exactly?
It would be VERY interesting to assertain how many 2nd 3rd generation Irish voters want independance?...
Independence. IndependEnce.
I am always somewhat amused be ardent Brexiteers who can’t understand Scotland’s desire to split from the Union.
As you are correcting my spelling I assume you are speaking to me. If so, please note I'm neither a leaver or remainer; I don't care either way. My interest is in democracy.Better off financially? That’s not a given.
I was just pointing out that financially Scotland will be worse off if it leaves the UK. The UK, on the other hand, will be better off if it leaves the EU.
The scourge of Scotland has been the evil of sectarianism ... this post as some others from this poster smacks of it yet again.
I'm truly puzzled by the continued influence of sectarianism in Scotland and Nirthern Ireland. It existed in England when I was young but it just died out because, imo, so many of my generation lost interest in organised relgion.
In my case I thought that criticising Catholics as my mother did was against the principles of Christianity. How could anyone claim to be a Christian and not learn the lesson behind the story of the good Samaritan? I live by Christian principles but I don't need to believe in God or be a church member to do that.
Independence. IndependEnce.
I am always somewhat amused be ardent Brexiteers who can’t understand Scotland’s desire to split from the Union.
The scourge of Scotland has been the evil of sectarianism ... this post as some others from this poster smacks of it yet again.
I do not think sectarianism in Scotland has much if anything to do with God.
I do not think sectarianism in Scotland has much if anything to do with God.
Is it connected to religion?
Is it connected to religion?
Is it connected to religion?
If you wish to taint your mind with making an attempt on plumbing the depths of what is known as "Scotland's Hidden Shame" (if memory serves me well we have a thread on 'sectarianism v the McCann family') you could do no better than reading through recent posts made on this thread and others.
You may have missed some of it because it is so insidious ... Ergath, myself and a few others perhaps got the full flavour of it.
I've always understood that the sectarianism in Scotland is connected to Ireland and the troubles. Don't the Celtic fans chant some IRA chants?
Yes that is where it stems from. Irish Roman catholics and Irish non roman catholics. at war with each other. UK got involved as they are our near neighbour. Politics and religion- never a good mix as history has shown. There is [ censored word ]ed on both sides of that particular issue.
Brietta and Ergath are trying to change history and sweep it under a carpet by name calling.
I do no t take sides in this 'war' it is futile but then some poeple make a lot of money from it. The IRA has not gone away.
Sectarianism is alive and well! It has NOTHING to do with Jesus or 'God'
As I am bewildered by people who want independance from UK, but to be ruled by faceless, unelected beaurocats who do not know or share our culture or us theirs...*%87
We have a lot of history with UK. we share infrastructure, etc, we fought together in two world wars... AGAINST Eu leaders in France Germany.
6million dollar question!
"The scourge of Scotland has been the evil of sectarianism ... this post as some others from this poster smacks of it yet again." How dare you accuse me of being a bigot. I have no interest any religion that partakes in murder, slaughter of innocent babies, torture,mental. physical,sexual abuse in the name of a god.
I have my own faith which does not partake in such atrocities. I do not need a crown headed figure or a pope to teach me about a god they cannot even obey his, being a male god ofcourse, rules. ofcourse these rules were made up by man.. not invisible main sky.
If you want I will post links what has been happening in Ireland by the 'church' to women and children over the centuries. And the Kirk in Scotland, is well documented, however, nothing on you tube about that as this was dumped many years ago. It aint love and prosperity for sure!
I will continue to write and challenge the fairy stories I read on here on any subject. Please feel free to offer a debateable come back and refrain from name calling or trying to rid me from this forum, and others from this forum to suit your agenda.
I've always understood that the sectarianism in Scotland is connected to Ireland and the troubles. Don't the Celtic fans chant some IRA chants?
Yes some Celtic fans do sing IRA songs and I do wish they wouldn't.
However in the sixties before the atrocities of the IRA there was a group called the Clancy Brothers who were very popular and sang these songs which are actually political, not sectarian.
Celtic Football club have always had Protestant players, managers and staff.
It is only recently that Rangers have loosened their sectarian policy of never signing any Catholic, either as players, managers or indeed staff.
Can I just add that although Sectarianism exists, especially among football fans, there are an increasingly number of interfaith services and meetings.
I'm told that Rangers knocked back the opportunity to sign Danny McGrain because of the Catholic sounding name.
LOL big mistake on two counts if true ...
The man became a legend ... and was also a protestant.
Things have been taking place for many years regarding the efforts of the two West Coast football clubs (along with others) and things are in the main much more civilised than it ever was.
Without being complacent I think the football clubs and charities such as 'Nil by Mouth' have had a tremendous presence in helping helping change. So it isn't all doom and gloom.Nude Old Firm fans tackle bigotry(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44133000/jpg/_44133126_naked203.jpg)Sunday, 23 September 2007Old Firm fans strip off About 100 naked Old Firm fans have joined together to pose for a photograph at Hampden Park.
Alistair Devine said the image would show how far Scottish football has come in tackling sectarian violence.
In 1980, the photographer captured a famous scene of riots at an Old Firm Game at Hampden, with police on horses trying to halt fighting on the pitch.
The Rangers and Celtic supporters, both male and female, posed with just their scarves to cover their modesty.
Mr Devine, who a year ago organised a similar project where he photographed 30 nude volunteers in a Glasgow bar, said he hoped the image would show the unity between the fans.
"The point of the picture is quite simple," he said. "It is to let bigots be bygones and to move forward as a nation in our view towards bigotry.
"Back in the 1980s our game here was absolutely rife with bigotry and dreadful violence.
"We have moved on a long way. If we had tried this 25 years ago we would never had got it."
Mr Devine said the fans who had turned up for the photo were very brave.
He added that efforts by Scotland's churches, government, football clubs and the campaign group Nil by Mouth had helped to tackle sectarian violence in football.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7009122.stm
I'm told that Rangers knocked back the opportunity to sign Danny McGrain because of the Catholic sounding name.
LOL big mistake on two counts if true ...
The man became a legend ... and was also a protestant.
Things have been taking place for many years regarding the efforts of the two West Coast football clubs (along with others) and things are in the main much more civilised than it ever was.
Without being complacent I think the football clubs and charities such as 'Nil by Mouth' have had a tremendous presence in helping helping change. So it isn't all doom and gloom.Nude Old Firm fans tackle bigotry(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44133000/jpg/_44133126_naked203.jpg)Sunday, 23 September 2007Old Firm fans strip off About 100 naked Old Firm fans have joined together to pose for a photograph at Hampden Park.
Alistair Devine said the image would show how far Scottish football has come in tackling sectarian violence.
In 1980, the photographer captured a famous scene of riots at an Old Firm Game at Hampden, with police on horses trying to halt fighting on the pitch.
The Rangers and Celtic supporters, both male and female, posed with just their scarves to cover their modesty.
Mr Devine, who a year ago organised a similar project where he photographed 30 nude volunteers in a Glasgow bar, said he hoped the image would show the unity between the fans.
"The point of the picture is quite simple," he said. "It is to let bigots be bygones and to move forward as a nation in our view towards bigotry.
"Back in the 1980s our game here was absolutely rife with bigotry and dreadful violence.
"We have moved on a long way. If we had tried this 25 years ago we would never had got it."
Mr Devine said the fans who had turned up for the photo were very brave.
He added that efforts by Scotland's churches, government, football clubs and the campaign group Nil by Mouth had helped to tackle sectarian violence in football.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7009122.stm
McGrain has since stated, "I don't know if that story's true. Over the years that followed nobody from Rangers ever told me they wanted to sign me".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_McGrain
If you wish to taint your mind with making an attempt on plumbing the depths of what is known as "Scotland's Hidden Shame" (if memory serves me well we have a thread on 'sectarianism v the McCann family') you could do no better than reading through recent posts made on this thread and others.
You may have missed some of it because it is so insidious ... Ergath, myself and a few others perhaps got the full flavour of it.
Perhaps not but I do hope you aren't suggesting for one moment that Rangers Football club did not have a sectarian policy
They did, what about the SNP governments bigotry? the catholic schools didn;t allow un christened by priests (hmmm) to attend their schools. this had to stop however, it is still written that non catholics cannot teach in catholic schools, but catholic teachers can teach in non catholic school...
Now about this wonderful independance and tax raising powers. Tricky Nicky tells the good people of the EU to send em refugees all over here, we have plenty money plenty food plenty everything ...
oh but then.
https://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/17400823.council-tax-set-to-rise-even-higher-in-snp-budget-deal-with-greens/
The good news is; refugees and asylum seekers do not pay council tax pheew what a relief!
They did, what about the SNP governments bigotry? the catholic schools didn;t allow un christened by priests (hmmm) to attend their schools. this had to stop however, it is still written that non catholics cannot teach in catholic schools, but catholic teachers can teach in non catholic school...
Now about this wonderful independance and tax raising powers. Tricky Nicky tells the good people of the EU to send em refugees all over here, we have plenty money plenty food plenty everything ...
oh but then.
https://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/17400823.council-tax-set-to-rise-even-higher-in-snp-budget-deal-with-greens/
The good news is; refugees and asylum seekers do not pay council tax pheew what a relief!
Perhaps not but I do hope you aren't suggesting for one moment that Rangers Football club did not have a sectarian policy
Discrimination in employment was rife all over the UK and it's now illegal. Many people were affected by it but those who see it as sectarianism seem to complain lomger and louder than any other group in my opinion.
Discrimination in employment was rife all over the UK and it's now illegal. Many people were affected by it but those who see it as sectarianism seem to complain lomger and louder than any other group in my opinion.
Which other group?
And who are these groups?
Read the anti-discrimination legislation; they are all listed there.
Could we have less goading and a little more constructive comment otherwise I will have to get the rottweiler out.
I will at some time later.
Thankfully I've never been discriminated against..
Unfortunately some of my family have
I think most pwople have been discriminated against but they don't always realise it.
Discrimination in employment was rife all over the UK and it's now illegal. Many people were affected by it but those who see it as sectarianism seem to complain lomger and louder than any other group in my opinion.What, more so than discrimination based on ethnicity or sexuality? Do you have some recent examples?
What, more so than discrimination based on ethnicity or sexuality? Do you have some recent examples?
I said 'it seems to me'. That means 'in my opinion'. If you have evidence which contradicts my opinion bring it on.You expressed the opinion, I just wondered upon what you based your opinion? Anything concrete ir just “gut feel”?
I formed my opinion by reading posts on this forum.Then easy to give me an example of one of them.
It seems to me that the Scottish people are as divided on independence as the UK is on Brexit.
The argument is not being presented in an adult educated fashion. one side has the 'we hate the English brigaide' and love the bagpies and have a romantic notion of Scotland the brave. The other side see the real threats to our culture and ecconomic growth which has been enjoyed for most part as part of the Union- which houses Wales N Ireland and England. If we leave the Union we leave Wales and N ireland also.
It is also worth remembering that during the war, we Scots the N irish, English and Welsh fought side by side, united!- Ireland was neutral of course.
If only it were that simple. You should have joined me outside The NAAFI Club in Glasgow on a Saturday night.
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Sounds like you have a few stories to tell! lol
The argument is not being presented in an adult educated fashion. one side has the 'we hate the English brigaide' and love the bagpies and have a romantic notion of Scotland the brave. The other side see the real threats to our culture and ecconomic growth which has been enjoyed for most part as part of the Union- which houses Wales N Ireland and England. If we leave the Union we leave Wales and N ireland also.
It is also worth remembering that during the war, we Scots the N irish, English and Welsh fought side by side, united!- Ireland was neutral of course.
The argument is not being presented in an adult educated fashion. one side has the 'we hate the English brigaide' and love the bagpies and have a romantic notion of Scotland the brave. The other side see the real threats to our culture and ecconomic growth which has been enjoyed for most part as part of the Union- which houses Wales N Ireland and England. If we leave the Union we leave Wales and N ireland also.
It is also worth remembering that during the war, we Scots the N irish, English and Welsh fought side by side, united!- Ireland was neutral of course.
Time to move on and do a little catching up if you really do believe the nonsense you have just posted!!
I say it like it really is. You can name call it all you like- anyone coming to Glasgow on a Saturday when Celtic and Rangers are playing.... call me a nonsense talker, however, see for yourself!
I have no idea of why you are once again referencing Rangers, Celtic and Saturdays.
Your post which I described as nonsense had no reference at all to these, nor did I mention these in my post.
The nonsense being referred to was your rather laughable suggestion that the independence debate is made up of two "brigades".
One who are prompted to seek Independence because of their "we hate the English " and " love the bagpipes" attitude. Lol.
However the other "brigade" see " see the real threat to our culture and economic growth".
I repeat, if this really is your summation of the independence debate, then it is time to move on and catch up with the real debate which is currently taking place.
Perhaps you could explain how Scotland would benefit by leaving the United Kingdom?
Perhaps you could explain how Scotland would benefit by leaving the United Kingdom?They could rejoin the EU for a start.
They could rejoin the EU for a start.Might not be a bad idea ... if quick enough to get it off the ground Honda et al who are not relocating as a result of Brexit ... might decide to move here; I think we might even have a few derelict industrial cites from the eighties going spare.
They could rejoin the EU for a start.
That's a fairly recent idea which might ot might not be allowed or of benefit. What benefits were they antiicipating before the Brexit fuss?Taking back control I think.
Taking back control I think.
Of what?Their country? Their assets? Their sovereignty?
Here you go:
Reasons that have been cited in favour of independence include:
Democracy and national self-determination: Scotland's population will possess full decision-making power in regard to the political affairs of its nation. First Minister Salmond stated in a May 2012 launch that "the people who live in Scotland are best placed to make the decisions that affect Scotland."[89]
Nuclear disarmament: with control over defence and foreign policy, an independent Scotland could address the removal of Trident nuclear weapons, an issue long-associated with the campaign for an independent Scotland, as outlined in the House of Commons Defence Committee's white paper "The future of the UK's strategic nuclear deterrent: the White Paper" of 2006-2007.[90][91] In a July 2013 Huffington Post UK article, the writer suggested that the £25 billion spent on a "like-for-like replacement of the Trident nuclear deterrent" could instead be diverted to education, healthcare and housing.[92] Additionally, the Scottish Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament supports independence on this basis.[93]
"It's Scotland's oil": since being used as a highly effective slogan by the SNP in the 1970s,[94] this phrase has encapsulated the argument that only an independent Scotland be able to fully utilise and exploit the financial benefits of its national resources, including North Sea oil and gas, for the benefit of the population.[95] According to the Scottish Government, 64% of the EU's oil reserves exist in Scottish waters,[96] while the David Hume Institute stated: "Scotland is sitting on oil and gas reserves worth up to £4 trillion".[97] Investment in and production from the North Sea oilfields dropped sharply after Tory chancellor George Osborne imposed punitive taxes, undercutting the projected revenue an independent Scotland could claim.[98]
Renewable energy: if independence is attained, supporters of the new political structure seek to fully harness Scotland's natural renewable energy resources: 25 per cent of Europe's wind energy potential; 25 per cent of Europe's tidal energy potential; and 10 per cent of Europe's wave energy potential.[99] Salmond claims that this could lead to the "re-industrialisation" of Scotland.[100]
A "cultural reawakening": groups like National Collective, a "non-party movement for artists and creatives who support Scottish independence", believe that the opportunities of independence, and the possibilities created, would unleash a fresh wave of cultural ideas, expression and self-confidence in Scotland.[101][102]
"Stop the world, Scotland wants to get on" (a statement by Winnie Ewing, upon her victory for the SNP in the 1967 Hamilton by-election)[citation needed]: an independent Scotland would be a full and equal member of the United Nations, NATO and the European Union and many other international organisations.[103] With an autonomous voice in international politics, Scottish independence campaigners believe the nation's global influence would increase in regard to the defence of its national interests and the promotion of its values. It has been claimed that the number of MEPs elected by Scotland would also rise, from six to at least 12.[104] Furthermore, Scottish embassies would be established globally to promote Scotland internationally, and to lobby other governments on the nation's behalf.[10
It sounds good, but was it possible? In my opinion none of that was guaranteed. Were they planning on leaving themselves without any military defences? NS oil and gas are no longer cash cows, and all those organisations would have to be asked if they would accept Scotland as a member,Tell me one thing that’s guaranteed by Brexit.
Tell me one thing that’s guaranteed by Brexit.
An end to the free movement of EU citizens into the UK.And what is stopping them entering the UK via the Irish border?
And what is stopping them entering the UK via the Irish border?
To do what? Work illegally?Of course. But also
Of course. But also
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-how-easy-will-it-be-for-eu-citizens-to-stay-in-britain
and this
Visitors can come to the UK for purposes of tourism, visiting friends, business visits and similar. Visitors can stay for maximum 6 months in each 12 months. Not 6 months from each entry to the UK. Even if your visitor visa is for 5 or 10 years you can still stay for maximum 180 days in each of those years.18 Jun 2013
An end to the free movement of EU citizens into the UK.
Visitors aren't immigrants. Most of them aren't entitled to work, apply for social housing or benefits. If they overstay they can be sent home.You said Brexit will stop the free movement of EU nationals into the UK. I have shown that it will not. There are currently upwards of 800,000 illegal immigrants in Britain already. I would expect that number to rise dramatically post Brexit.
And an end to the free movement of UK citizens into the EU.
Some Brits never thought that it might also apply to them.
An end to the free movement of EU citizens into the UK.
If they really want to live elsewhere it can be done; I don't think they're going to be locked in.
If they really want to live elsewhere it can be done; I don't think they're going to be locked in.
You said Brexit will stop the free movement of EU nationals into the UK. I have shown that it will not. There are currently upwards of 800,000 illegal immigrants in Britain already. I would expect that number to rise dramatically post Brexit.
What is expected is no fee movement of illegal immigrants- we can send them back to the place they landed for registration of refugee status. Those claiming asylum must have evidence of their claims. not throwing away their passports and refusing to say where they are from so they cannot be sent back- shipped back to EU if that was their passage!
There is no issue for people who want to come and work and live by OUR laws. it is the criminal elements and terrorists we need to keep away. Open borders don't do that!
The UK isn't in Schengen, therefore there is no open border. Outside of the EU, the UK will have limited access to police / security databases. How does that help keep "undesireables" out?
What is expected is no fee movement of illegal immigrants- we can send them back to the place they landed for registration of refugee status. Those claiming asylum must have evidence of their claims. not throwing away their passports and refusing to say where they are from so they cannot be sent back- shipped back to EU if that was their passage!When has there ever been free movement of illegal immigrants??
There is no issue for people who want to come and work and live by OUR laws. it is the criminal elements and terrorists we need to keep away. Open borders don't do that!
When has there ever been free movement of illegal immigrants??
Brexit: Scottish and Welsh parliaments hold simultaneous debates
Scottish and Welsh politicians are joining forces in a bid to force the prime minister to change her position on Brexit.
An identical motion will be debated simultaneously by the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly - with co-ordinated votes.
It will underline opposition to Theresa May's deal, demand a delay to Brexit and call for "no deal" to be ruled out.
The UK government said the deal was a good one for Scotland and Wales.
It said the focus should be on gaining further assurances from the EU to allow the prime minister's deal to go forward.
Mrs May has promised MPs a vote to delay Brexit if they cannot agree on her deal.
Scottish Brexit Secretary Mike Russell said it was vital to prevent Westminster from pursuing "a disastrous course of action".
And he said the delay could enable a further Brexit referendum to be held.
He said: "This is an unprecedented event: the first time in 20 years of devolution that the Scottish Parliament and National Assembly for Wales have debated the same motion simultaneously.
"We are taking this historic step to send a strong message to the UK government that it must stop pursuing such a disastrous course of action.
"The prime minister's deal will cause major, lasting damage to jobs, living standards and public services such as the NHS and should be voted down."
He added: "The UK government must also stop using the threat of a catastrophic No Deal outcome to blackmail the UK Parliament into accepting her deeply-damaging plans.
"An extension that stops the clock on Brexit would allow time for agreement to be reached on a better way forward, which the Scottish government believes should be a second EU referendum with Remain on the ballot paper."
The debates in the devolved parliaments come UK ministers resumed their efforts to secure legally-binding changes to the prime minister's Brexit deal that might get MPs' backing in a week's time.
UK Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay and Attorney General Geoffrey Cox will meet EU officials in Brussels in search of guarantees over the backstop plan to avoid border checks in Ireland.
MPs will vote on the deal by 12 March, with the UK currently due to leave the EU on 29 March.
Leading Brexiteers are seeking assurances that the backstop - a controversial plan which will see the UK aligned with EU customs rules until the two sides' future relationship is agreed or alternative arrangements worked out - will not endure indefinitely.
A UK government spokeswoman said: "An orderly Brexit is in the UK's best interests and the best way to achieve that is for MPs of all parties to support the prime minister's deal.
"The deal is a good one for Scotland, Wales and the whole of the UK - it delivers the result of the referendum, gives us a close future partnership with the EU, and guarantees citizens' rights.
"Refusing to support the prime minister's deal simply makes a damaging no deal more likely."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-47447176
Tricky Nicky queen of Scotland,ruler of all, the Maggie Thatcher of the North. Is doing the EU circus on an independance ticket.
Oh dear, she isn't mentioning about the results of child poverty- not mentioning it lala not hearing it... She also isn't talking about the 2 million quid being spend on the panada enclosure at Edinburgh Zoo. them poor Pandas have sunlight being lost due to new NHS building. oh lets get our priorites straight!
Zoos are hellish sad places - animal lovers ? The pandas should never have been brought here-they cost a fortune to feed while there is no money for childrens food! we have video and internet access to see all kinds of animals in the wild. There is nothing more heart warming that seeing the animals on safari in Africa... totally amazing.
SNP taxing the poor for no good reason! and the EU will not save you.
I see the Big Yin was at Celtic Park today. On TV tonight too. What a legend.8@??)(
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I have met him in person- great guy and really funny!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WgXPBDrd8s
Many years ago my father-in-law bought his LP because he heard he was funny. I said "Oh, you've got Billy Connolly" with delight. "Take it" he said "I can't understand a word he says". Ironically my father-in-law spoke with a very broad Lancashire accent and his own grandchildren couldn't understand a word he said.
Yes, I know! he did speak slower and lose the very broad accent when not doing Glasgow gigs!
A lot of things I had to ask about because I didn't understand either. I didn' know that a 'jobbie was a poo'.
Having the crucifiction in the Gallowgate was seriously hilarious for locals.
Billy Connolly ready to back Scottish independence in wake of Brexit 'crime'
The Big Yin says split with the UK "may be the way to go" so that Scotland can "keep our contact with Europe".
18:00, 21 OCT 2018Updated09:02, 22 OCT 2018News
Sir Billy Connolly claims Scottish independence “may just be the way to go” after Brexit.
The Big Yin, who once ridiculed Holyrood as a “wee pretendy parliament”, has revealed his change of heart in his new book Made in Scotland.
He says the Britain’s decision to leave Europe has made him think again about the potential break up of the UK.
“One thing I’ve never had any interest in is hating England and the English,” he said. “I like Thomas Hardy as much as I like Robert Burns. As an Anglophile, I’ve never shouted for Scottish independence, but I might be changing my mind now.
The Big Yin looks set to reject the Better Together camp after Brexit to back Scottish independence (Image: Getty/PA)
Billy Connolly shares a laugh with the Queen in 2013 (Image: Getty)
“The Brexit vote is a disaster and the breaking up of the togetherness of Europe is a crime bordering on a sin.
“I think the more people are together, not separate, the happier they will be.
“The most important thing for Scotland is to keep our contact with Europe.
“Scots voted to stay in Europe, and if the only way for us to do that is to become independent from England, that may just be the way to go. And I never thought I would say that.”
Billy Connolly may be about to nail his colours to independence mast (Image: Daily Record)
Scottish independence was rejected by 55% to 45% in the 2014 referendum, but a recent poll showed that supoort for independence will increase if the UK leaves the EU.
Connolly, 75, also reveals the toll that Parkinson’s disease has taken on his life, having being diagnosed in 2012.
“My Parkinson’s disease dominates my life to quite a large degree nowadays,” he writes. “It occupies a lot of my thinking time every single day.
Sir Billy Connolly with his wife Pamela Stephenson after being knighted (Image: PA)
“When I go into a restaurant, I have to look around and work out where to sit and choose somewhere that it won’t take me a long time to get up from.
“I sometimes ask the waiter, ‘Listen, I might have trouble getting out of this chair when I have finished eating. Will you hang about and help me?’ They always say yes.
The Big Yin takes in a Celtic game (Image: SNS)
“The thing that I find hardest about Parkinson’s is coming to grips with the fact that it’s never going to go away.”
The Glaswegian, who has put himself forward as a stem-cell research “guinea pig” to find a cure for the disease, wants “to become part of Scotland” when he dies, buried in a wicker casket or a sheet with a tree planted on top.
He has told his wife, Pamela Stephenson, his epitaph should read “Jesus Christ, is that the time already?”
There will be a number of Scots who.voted.against independence because of their concern about the.continued members of the EU, who because of our now departure from EU against the.will of.the.Scottish people will now vote.for.independence.
Will voting for independence get Scotland back in the EU?
I watched the Edinburgh Military Tattoo last night. Loved The New Zealand Army Band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9el7zWbm2Q
I am ashamed to admit. I hate the sounds of bagpipes.
Many Scots up north still wear kilts on day to day business. My dad wears his daily cogs (non dress kilt) all the time when he goes up to family. I like the kilt hate those frilly blouses that go with it though lol In the central belt it is very much a b........ race of people. No one wears a kilt unless to a special occasion. In fact the only cultural dress wear you see are indian. Muslim men and women 'wearing burqua' and male attire as seen in Pakistan. Indian non muslim wearing their colourful Saris (some are absolutely stunning) and men with their turbans. My friend wears a tartan one (specially made) to torment his English cousins lol
Back to independance: THE SNP have managed to show their true colours of anti indegenous population. They are going to implement a climate change /global warming crap tax. all employees who use a car must pay at least 400/500 per annum. They thought this through with the green party/ wee minority of a wee minority- showing no evidence of how this money will SAVE THE PLANET. They have also pledged money to EU students to the tune of 400 millions to pay for their tuition fees. even AFTER BREXIT. This included the many who gained entry via sham marriages.
Bringing more people to live here increases our usage of cars and water /fuel consumption- Oh no there goes another rascist pointing out the bloody sham of their rehtoric.
Bagpipes are like Marmite. I love them, and I'm not Scottish. I just love music of any kind.
Oh I should have mentioned bagpipes in a band. Up north at my familys home, Big Angus plays at the foot of his property. It is beautiful to hear a solo tune from a distance.. some mornings it is quite haunting for some reaon.
When I lived on Benbecula I lived near the local shop. The owner's son used to practice his pipes in the evenings for a short while. From my bedroom window I could look at the sea and hear him playing; beautiful. I love the sea too; it makes me feel good just looking at it.
Oh me too! I love the sea, we have a wonderful coastline, some are quite exotic further north.Cornwall has the best surfing though.
I see sectarianism is raising it's head in Glasgow this weekend. What a distructive force it is.
I see sectarianism is raising it's head in Glasgow this weekend. What a distructive force it is.
Yes, so ugly!
I do believe n the right to protest peacefully, some people are just so angry .
I am confused as to why Irish people are protesting/Marching in Scotland. do they never march in England I wonder why not.
I don't think they're protest marches, and I think they're Scottish people, not Irish. Of course many Ulster Protestants have Scottish ancestors. There are Orange Lodges in England and they do parade, but no-one takes much notice. There's a parade in Southport every year, organised by Lodges from Liverpool.
https://www.lancs.live/whats-on/whats-on-news/live-orange-lodge-marches-through-16573899
I was talking about the Irish republican march the IRA one. That is what clashed.
Why do the Orangemen think they are the only ones who should be allowed to march?
I don't know what the orangemen think, and don't much care. I was comparing the reasons for the marches.
Orangemen/women stand for a united kingdom they are UK citizens. The IRA are Irish why would the Uk want to pay any attention to their demands - why are they marching in other words.
A few years ago many citizens in a particular area were told by police (by catholic run council) to remove the union Jack as visiting Irish fans would be offended- but it was ok fornt hem to fly their tricolour that wasn't offensive at all to anyone...
I forgot to keep up with that story to see if it changed. Well the hatred on both sides is still there.
Orangemen/women don't just stand for a United Kingdom, they stand for a Protestant United Kingdom.
Ahh OK bit pointless now since we are multi cultural. The chapels were fuller when catholic countries within the EU sent in their worshippers I am told.
I take it this was a battle to have a Roman pope or a king/queen as head of state in the UK? The Pope lost?
I read somewhere Many in Ireland are moving away from the RC churches due to the henious crimes against the citizens by nuns and priests. I partially caught that on a documentary...
I have no religion, so I am not up on these matters only when things are highlighted.
Ulster's land was deliberately given to Protestants from Scotland and England by James 1st during the 17th Century.
My guess was good- a power struggle between the church of Rome and Royalty for the 'head of state' ruler of a kingdom. Both inflicted horrors on the people of the nations. I vote for none of the above! lol
Meanwhile the SNP (Scottish Nazi Party) has some great Ideas...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11221902/Legal-fight-starts-over-SNP-state-guardian-for-every-child.html
Interesting. Is there any evidence that teachers have the skills required, I wonder? If I was a teacher I'm not sure I would want that responsibilty.
When you think about the child abuse by many professions, it beggars belief that some actually think children should have a stranger thrust upon them. The state should only intefere when there is a right to do so.
In my youth parents were scrutinised by family, friends and neighbours. That system has disappeared, but I don't think this Bill is the answer. Even social workers and doctors have failed to spot problems, why should others with no expertise suceed?