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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: gilet on April 14, 2013, 11:45:53 PM
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I believe it is time that the posts of Hideho which have been proven to be false should be removed from the forum.
She has been on this forum a number of times for lengthy periods since her lies were challenged. But she has refused to defend the lies. She has more recently not returned to this forum, though is actively continuing to post her lies elsewhere.
She is completely unable to defend her position with regard to the videos. Had she been able to, I am certain she would have done so.
I believe that her lies should be removed and a message left in their place that she refused to defend them.
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I believe it is time that the posts of Hideho which have been proven to be false should be removed from the forum.
She has been on this forum a number of times for lengthy periods since her lies were challenged. But she has refused to defend the lies. She has more recently not returned to this forum, though is actively continuing to post her lies elsewhere.
She is completely unable to defend her position with regard to the videos. Had she been able to, I am certain she would have done so.
I believe that her lies should be removed and a message left in their place that she refused to defend them.
Hear, hear.
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HiDeHo is obviously having some difficulty in responding to the criticisms about her videos.
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Why does she need to respond? At the end of the day, they're her interpretation, if you don't agree then you don't agree. Removing them is yet another sign that the forum does not want to hear opinion opposed to the abduction theory, it's like a witch hunt of late, if you're not for the Mccanns then you're not welcome here seems to be the concensus when all anyone really knows is that Madeleine was in bed and then she wasn't, everything else is speculation.
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This is a discussion forum - so I'd expect to find points of view that run counter to my beliefs.
However, if I stated as FACT that the moon was made of cheese.
I would fully expect other members to hold me to account and ask for evidence.
Therfore I await Hideho's evidence with interest.
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HiDeHo will not remove them. Neither will she justify them in any real way.
They are there to influence the perceptions of people who are not on top of the case. To win the public over.
They are propaganda. The propaganda will lie there untouched until after Amarals case and maybe for all time.
Seems they are part of the "Ace" like Pat Browns lies, rubbish and propaganda
And Tony Bennett was ruthlessly used too, but he was too blinded to see. They have played him for the idiot. He faithfully followed where they (mis)lead him,.
And now he is paying the price ...
Only my opinion, but it all fits
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Why does she need to respond? At the end of the day, they're her interpretation, if you don't agree then you don't agree. Removing them is yet another sign that the forum does not want to hear opinion opposed to the abduction theory, it's like a witch hunt of late, if you're not for the Mccanns then you're not welcome here seems to be the concensus when all anyone really knows is that Madeleine was in bed and then she wasn't, everything else is speculation.
Because she stated both publicly and privately behind the scenes that she would do so.
Some members went to a lot of trouble to point out parts of certain videos which could be argued fell within the realms of speculation. She responded positively to this and agreed to review the offending footage. It is accepted by everyone that these things do take time.
When the issue is determined positively there is no reason why the videos cannot be returned to the video board.
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I would welcome her response as I have stated every time I have posted a review of "her" videos. I am perfectly willing to debate with her over every single criticism I have made of them.
As soon as she answers I will enter debate with her.
But Admin, I do wonder how much time it takes her to prepare a post? Its now a full two weeks and more since I posted the video reviews and not a sign of even a first reply.
I wonder might Joanne, who is a member of her FB page, pass on a little reminder of the promise she made to respond. She must have been so busy that she forgot. Personally, when I make a promise to do something, I try to fulfil that promise at the earliest opportunity.
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Well, gilet perhaps she cant be bothered or doesnt want to
You cant force her to defend her videos or post on here
They are her opinions and she has used youtube to express them
You and or others have had a campaign to report them to youtube, how did that go?
Bottom line is there is freedom of expression, go fight it if it bothers you that much. you DO know though presumably and hopefully, that people have their own minds and dont believe everything they hear or read?
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censorship is rarely a good thing for society
by all means make a rebut on youtube
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Well, gilet perhaps she cant be bothered or doesnt want to
You cant force her to defend her videos or post on here
They are her opinions and she has used youtube to express them
You and or others have had a campaign to report them to youtube, how did that go?
Bottom line is there is freedom of expression, go fight it if it bothers you that much. you DO know though presumably and hopefully, that people have their own minds and dont believe everything they hear or read?
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censorship is rarely a good thing for society
by all means make a rebut on youtube
Freedom of expression....so I can call you a person , who admitted to locking their kids in a room, then tried to say it was because of a cat, and say it is freedom of expression then can I?? Or does that only apply to [ censored word ]s
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Well, gilet perhaps she cant be bothered or doesnt want to
You cant force her to defend her videos or post on here
They are her opinions and she has used youtube to express them
You and or others have had a campaign to report them to youtube, how did that go?
Bottom line is there is freedom of expression, go fight it if it bothers you that much. you DO know though presumably and hopefully, that people have their own minds and dont believe everything they hear or read?
>@@(*&)
censorship is rarely a good thing for society
by all means make a rebut on youtube
Freedom of expression....so I can call you a person , who admitted to locking their kids in a room, then tried to say it was because of a cat, and say it is freedom of expression then can I?? Or does that only apply to [ censored word ]s
Take it up with someone who cares or can do something about it
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Well, gilet perhaps she cant be bothered or doesnt want to
You cant force her to defend her videos or post on here
They are her opinions and she has used youtube to express them
You and or others have had a campaign to report them to youtube, how did that go?
Bottom line is there is freedom of expression, go fight it if it bothers you that much. you DO know though presumably and hopefully, that people have their own minds and dont believe everything they hear or read?
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censorship is rarely a good thing for society
by all means make a rebut on youtube
Then, if as you claim she cannot be bothered, she should not have lied about being willing to do so should she?
They are not simply opinions. She makes specific claims within her videos and those claims have been shown to be untrue.
Freedom of expression is not open-ended though is it? Lies and (especially) repeated lies are not freedom of expression but potential libel and can get you in serious trouble. I think Mr. Bennett found that out.
When Hideho stated that she was willing to discuss the problems with her videos did she just demonstrate that she is a liar or is she going to keep to her word?
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Well, gilet perhaps she cant be bothered or doesnt want to
You cant force her to defend her videos or post on here
They are her opinions and she has used youtube to express them
You and or others have had a campaign to report them to youtube, how did that go?
Bottom line is there is freedom of expression, go fight it if it bothers you that much. you DO know though presumably and hopefully, that people have their own minds and dont believe everything they hear or read?
>@@(*&)
censorship is rarely a good thing for society
by all means make a rebut on youtube
Then, if as you claim she cannot be bothered, she should not have lied about being willing to do so should she?
They are not simply opinions. She makes specific claims within her videos and those claims have been shown to be untrue.
Freedom of expression is not open-ended though is it? Lies and (especially) repeated lies are not freedom of expression but potential libel and can get you in serious trouble. I think Mr. Bennett found that out.
When Hideho stated that she was willing to discuss the problems with her videos did she just demonstrate that she is a liar or is she going to keep to her word?
Email her then instead of shouting on here ad infinitum and to no avail, no one gives a toss basically, they are just youtube videos, you look, you see and read and you make up your own mind, the question may be why YOU are trying to make peoples minds up that all is false
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I believe it is time that the posts of Hideho which have been proven to be false should be removed from the forum.
She has been on this forum a number of times for lengthy periods since her lies were challenged. But she has refused to defend the lies. She has more recently not returned to this forum, though is actively continuing to post her lies elsewhere.
She is completely unable to defend her position with regard to the videos. Had she been able to, I am certain she would have done so.
I believe that her lies should be removed and a message left in their place that she refused to defend them.
PROVEN by whom?
By you?!
HiDEHo has used only data publicized by the Media, if you have a problem sue them.
Meanwhile, if you don't like don't watch. I like, I watch and many people do.
This is freedom of access to information and it's not any punk that determines what we should or shouldn't watch.
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Thats the point Luz, its not up to to anyone to determine what people should be allowed to watch or read
Thats censorship pure and simple and ugly
i suppose the videos featuring the mccanns where they have blatantly ..... should be censored too
8((()*/
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I believe it is time that the posts of Hideho which have been proven to be false should be removed from the forum.
She has been on this forum a number of times for lengthy periods since her lies were challenged. But she has refused to defend the lies. She has more recently not returned to this forum, though is actively continuing to post her lies elsewhere.
She is completely unable to defend her position with regard to the videos. Had she been able to, I am certain she would have done so.
I believe that her lies should be removed and a message left in their place that she refused to defend them.
PROVEN by whom?
By you?!
HiDEHo has used only data publicized by the Media, if you have a problem sue them.
Meanwhile, if you don't like don't watch. I like, I watch and many people do.
This is freedom of access to information and it's not any punk that determines what we should or shouldn't watch.
But they have been sued and they have removed the media from their sites because it was wrong.
Are you really so ignorant of the facts that you don't know that?
And Hideho is using material in her videos which was in the articles and front pages which the media were sued over.
Are you also trying to tell us that the claims she has made that Maddie's body was in the hire car, that a full match to Maddie's DNA were found in the hire care etc. are correct. Because they are not.
The proof is in the files.
Her videos contain proven falsehoods, proven by the PJ in the files they released. Who do you believe Hideho or the PJ and the AG of Portugal? I'm with the AG on this one.
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It is in HiDeHo's best interest to remove the falsehoods from her videos. I strongly urge her to review them in the light of the previous libel cases and take whatever corrective actions may be required.
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It is in HiDeHo's best interest to remove the falsehoods from her videos. I strongly urge her to review them in the light of the previous libel cases and take whatever corrective actions may be required.
John,
I regret that you think like that.
I don't know what HiDeHO will do, but I hope she keeps her work exactly as it is.
There is nothing in the videos that can't be proved either by the Media (press and Tv) or the Official Files.
If Mr. Gillet is a judge, then appoint by which laws there is any illegality.
And you John, should ask HiDeHo before taking one side.
Just my opinion.
If HiDeHo's videos go, I go. And that is what Gillet, Muratfan and the troup want. To transform this in the new Forum for their McCann Church.
I'll leave this thread but not the Forum. ?>)()<
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It is in HiDeHo's best interest to remove the falsehoods from her videos. I strongly urge her to review them in the light of the previous libel cases and take whatever corrective actions may be required.
John,
I regret that you think like that.
I don't know what HiDeHO will do, but I hope she keeps her work exactly as it is.
There is nothing in the videos that can't be proved either by the Media (press and Tv) or the Official Files.
If Mr. Gillet is a judge, then appoint by which laws there is any illegality.
And you John, should ask HiDeHo before taking one side.
Just my opinion.
If HiDeHo's videos go, I go. And that is what Gillet, Muratfan and the troup want. To transform this in the new Forum for their McCann Church.
I'll leave this thread but not the Forum. ?>)()<
It was Hideho who claimed she would respond to the allegations that were made about her videos. No-one was forcing her. She was very much proclaiming that she was proud of them and wanted to give her side, that she would stand by them, would defend them and would, if after discussion revealed flaws, change them.
Did she simply lie when posting that or is she going to do as she said?
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It is in HiDeHo's best interest to remove the falsehoods from her videos. I strongly urge her to review them in the light of the previous libel cases and take whatever corrective actions may be required.
John,
I regret that you think like that.
I don't know what HiDeHO will do, but I hope she keeps her work exactly as it is.
There is nothing in the videos that can't be proved either by the Media (press and Tv) or the Official Files.
If Mr. Gillet is a judge, then appoint by which laws there is any illegality.
And you John, should ask HiDeHo before taking one side.
Just my opinion.
If HiDeHo's videos go, I go. And that is what Gillet, Muratfan and the troup want. To transform this in the new Forum for their McCann Church.
I'll leave this thread but not the Forum. ?>)()<
It was Hideho who claimed she would respond to the allegations that were made about her videos. No-one was forcing her. She was very much proclaiming that she was proud of them and wanted to give her side, that she would stand by them, would defend them and would, if after discussion revealed flaws, change them.
Did she simply lie when posting that or is she going to do as she said?
So wait for her and don't act like the class little dwarf. You must have been bullied very hard in school, haven't you?
Look, taking on others isn't repair to the damage. Be a man or a woman, whatever you choose, but stop whining on the back of others.
Nobody here (I think) wish you or the McCann any harm. We are just discussing, exchanging views and, eventually we disagree. But that shouldn't set you into annihilation mode. Why don't you wait for her to come and discuss with her?
In my opinion, starting ths thread was childish and very perverse - you new she wasn´t here.
Take care, be happy.
P.S. Mr/s Moderator no offense or harm intended, just trying to help my dear forum mate. I know they like to report, and it's their prerogative, but I wish to make clear that I mant no harm.
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How long do you normally wait for someone to post a reply.
It is now fifteen days since Hideho claimed she would do so.
And she has been merrily posting elsewhere which makes me perfectly justified in calling her bluff.
Your abuse towards me about bullying etc. is simply a pathetic part of your regular posting. Why do you feel the need to be so abusive in your posts?
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I accept what you post Luz but she has not made any attempt in the last two weeks to update any of us. She is very welcome to post videos but they must be factually correct and not include speculative material.
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Then that John rules out the entire part of the board because all we actually know is that Madeleine was here and then she wasn't. Nobody (not even the Mccanns if you believe them do either) else does either, so you either have to remove the entire boards about Madeleine or debate what people's theories are, there is no evidence to work on as far as I can see, only likelyhood.
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Then that John rules out the entire part of the board because all we actually know is that Madeleine was here and then she wasn't. Nobody (not even the Mccanns if you believe them do either) else does either, so you either have to remove the entire boards about Madeleine or debate what people's theories are, there is no evidence to work on as far as I can see, only likelyhood.
What a totally ridiculous claim.
There are thousands of pages of clear evidence in the PJ files. The problem with Hideho is that she does not use the files as the basis for her propaganda. She uses outdated news media and Amaral's thesis as the basis of her videos. Then she picks and chooses from the files anything which she deems to support her theories.
Just one example. As with Bennett she chooses to post over and over the same material from the Almeida report and completely ignores the fact that this report was totally superseded by later reports from the PJ and the AG. In court Bennett was severely criticised by the Judge for that policy. The same criticism applies to Hideho.
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It is in HiDeHo's best interest to remove the falsehoods from her videos. I strongly urge her to review them in the light of the previous libel cases and take whatever corrective actions may be required.
John - good call.
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I accept what you post Luz but she has not made any attempt in the last two weeks to update any of us. She is very welcome to post videos but they must be factually correct and not include speculative material.
Once agan, good call John.
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I accept what you post Luz but she has not made any attempt in the last two weeks to update any of us. She is very welcome to post videos but they must be factually correct and not include speculative material.
Were all of the videos removed from the board proven to be factually incorrect or speculative ?
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I accept what you post Luz but she has not made any attempt in the last two weeks to update any of us. She is very welcome to post videos but they must be factually correct and not include speculative material.
Were all of the videos removed from the board proven to be factually incorrect or speculative ?
Icabod... she has sent this entire "canon of work" to the SY Review Team, so I think that the fact that some have beeen proven by Gillet to be inaccurate and to contain lies, is concerning?
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I accept what you post Luz but she has not made any attempt in the last two weeks to update any of us. She is very welcome to post videos but they must be factually correct and not include speculative material.
Were all of the videos removed from the board proven to be factually incorrect or speculative ?
Icabod... she has sent this entire "canon of work" to the SY Review Team, so I think that the fact that some have beeen proven by Gillet to be inaccurate and to contain lies, is concerning?
I just wanted to confirm whether there is a possibility that videos that were entirely factually correct have been censored by the board
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I accept what you post Luz but she has not made any attempt in the last two weeks to update any of us. She is very welcome to post videos but they must be factually correct and not include speculative material.
Were all of the videos removed from the board proven to be factually incorrect or speculative ?
Icabod... she has sent this entire "canon of work" to the SY Review Team, so I think that the fact that some have beeen proven by Gillet to be inaccurate and to contain lies, is concerning?
I just wanted to confirm whether there is a possibility that videos that were entirely factually correct have been censored by the board
Hi A look at gillet's analyses of just a few of HideHo's videos should tell you all you need to know about the lies that are being promulgated... to the Operation Grange team. As a UK taxpayer I am not very happy that Police resources may have been wasted viewing this ill-researched rubbish and have written to the relevant people about this matter. It has been brought to my attention that HIDEho is not even a UK citizen, yet is quite happy that UK police resources may be wasted on viewing her hate videos.
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I accept what you post Luz but she has not made any attempt in the last two weeks to update any of us. She is very welcome to post videos but they must be factually correct and not include speculative material.
Were all of the videos removed from the board proven to be factually incorrect or speculative ?
Icabod... she has sent this entire "canon of work" to the SY Review Team, so I think that the fact that some have beeen proven by Gillet to be inaccurate and to contain lies, is concerning?
I just wanted to confirm whether there is a possibility that videos that were entirely factually correct have been censored by the board
Hi A look at gillet's analyses of just a few of HideHo's videos should tell you all you need to know about the lies that are being promulgated... to the Operation Grange team. As a UK taxpayer I am not very happy that Police resources may have been wasted viewing this ill-researched rubbish and have written to the relevant people about this matter. It has been brought to my attention that HIDEho is not even a UK citizen, yet is quite happy that UK police resources may be wasted on viewing her hate videos.
I know nothing about videos sent to Scotland Yard ... it's the videos removed,censored by this forum that concerns me
If particular videos were contentious and Hidiho declined the invitation to defend them, then fair enough ... remove them
But to remove ALL her videos, whether they were factually contentious or not ? ... that takes some justifying
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I disagree. If someone is shown to have deliberately produced a video based on falsehoods and misinformation then it calls into question other similar videos they have made, so it is right to remove them to be on the safe side.
Exactly. And if the tax-payer funded Operation Grange Team have had to waste precious resources on suffering even one of these falsehood-ridden epics then there is something very wrong. Why should someone from Canada who is leading a hate campaign against Kate and Gerry McCann be given the time of day on my tax dollar? I think I will be writing to DCI Redwood again this week.
Although I suspect that HIdeHO'S efforts have already been consigned to the "nutters and cranks file".....
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I disagree. If someone is shown to have deliberately produced a video based on falsehoods and misinformation then it calls into question other similar videos they have made, so it is right to remove them to be on the safe side.
I couldn't disagree more !
Censoring information that has not been proven incorrect, or misleading .. or even been questioned in it's own right ... seems very wrong to me ( and is what I would expect to be anathema to a 'Justice forum' )
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I disagree. If someone is shown to have deliberately produced a video based on falsehoods and misinformation then it calls into question other similar videos they have made, so it is right to remove them to be on the safe side.
I couldn't disagree more !
Censoring information that has not been proven incorrect, or misleading .. or even been questioned in it's own right ... seems very wrong to me ( and is what I would expect to be anathema to a 'Justice forum' )
So - if a second-hand car salesman sells you a car that he says has only done 40,000 miles on the clock but when you get it checked over you discover it's actually done 140,000 miles on the clock you'd still trust the dealer to sell you a car whose milometer hadn't been tampered with? I wouldn't. Once bitten, twice shy!
We are not talking about second hand cars ... we are talking about censoring information without a valid reason for doing so
I feel very strongly about that, on principle
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My feeling is that the videos, having been accepted by the forum, should have remained
In that way, forum members were free to question each one individually and disprove it if it was inaccurate or misleading ( in which case, the offending/inaccurate video in question could be removed )
Removing information before it has been questioned can't be right ... not for a Justice forum
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I disagree. If someone is shown to have deliberately produced a video based on falsehoods and misinformation then it calls into question other similar videos they have made, so it is right to remove them to be on the safe side.
I couldn't disagree more !
Censoring information that has not been proven incorrect, or misleading .. or even been questioned in it's own right ... seems very wrong to me ( and is what I would expect to be anathema to a 'Justice forum' )
So - if a second-hand car salesman sells you a car that he says has only done 40,000 miles on the clock but when you get it checked over you discover it's actually done 140,000 miles on the clock you'd still trust the dealer to sell you a car whose milometer hadn't been tampered with? I wouldn't. Once bitten, twice shy!
We are not talking about second hand cars ... we are talking about censoring information without a valid reason for doing so
I feel very strongly about that, on principle
Actually we are talking about something bit more serious than forum debate - we are talking about someone from Canada meddling in UK police matters and wasting UK Police resources by sending in videos that are nothing but lies. I posed a question to HIDEHO over a week ago whether she would correct the proven falsehoods in her videos and re-submit them to Scotland Yard and she didn't even have the decency to reply. And as a UK tax payer that concerns me. and I am taking steps to do something about her meddling and lies.
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My feeling is that the videos, having been accepted by the forum, should have remained
In that way, forum members were free to question each one individually and disprove it if it was inaccurate or misleading ( in which case, the offending/inaccurate video in question could be removed )
Removing information before it has been questioned can't be right ... not for a Justice forum
You can glean more info from the Tellytubbies
Hideho's stuff - snuffed
No great loss for adult debate
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The videos were accepted at face value, I have not previously viewed many of them to my knowledge so I have no axe to grind with them as such. The problem arises where they contain material which has been shown to be false and misleading contrary to the PJ investigation.
Speculation in relation to the McCann's credibility can always be allowed as long as there is evidence to back it up but quoting false information and showing newspaper front pages which also contain erroneous headlines purely in order to generate sensationalism is unacceptable. A good example of this would be the two below.
(http://i.imgur.com/Wk5eoOd.jpg?1) (http://i.imgur.com/WlnVV3Z.jpg?1)
Including these headlines in a video is wrong as they are both incorrect. There is no forensic evidence which puts the parents in the frame or has determined that Madeleine's blood was in the hire car. Both these headlines are LIES.
All that has been asked of HiDeHo is that she reviews the videos and removes any material which is false.
Is there any point in having videos which contain falsehoods or which allude to guilt where there is no evidence to back this up?
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I disagree. If someone is shown to have deliberately produced a video based on falsehoods and misinformation then it calls into question other similar videos they have made, so it is right to remove them to be on the safe side.
I couldn't disagree more !
Censoring information that has not been proven incorrect, or misleading .. or even been questioned in it's own right ... seems very wrong to me ( and is what I would expect to be anathema to a 'Justice forum' )
So - if a second-hand car salesman sells you a car that he says has only done 40,000 miles on the clock but when you get it checked over you discover it's actually done 140,000 miles on the clock you'd still trust the dealer to sell you a car whose milometer hadn't been tampered with? I wouldn't. Once bitten, twice shy!
We are not talking about second hand cars ... we are talking about censoring information without a valid reason for doing so
I feel very strongly about that, on principle
Actually we are talking about something bit more serious than forum debate - we are talking about someone from Canada meddling in UK police matters and wasting UK Police resources by sending in videos that are nothing but lies. I posed a question to HIDEHO over a week ago whether she would correct the proven falsehoods in her videos and re-submit them to Scotland Yard and she didn't even have the decency to reply. And as a UK tax payer that concerns me. and I am taking steps to do something about her meddling and lies.
Is it possible to do anything about Pat Brown as well? She tried to change evidence. Ably helped, it seems, by someone from PT
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I disagree. If someone is shown to have deliberately produced a video based on falsehoods and misinformation then it calls into question other similar videos they have made, so it is right to remove them to be on the safe side.
I couldn't disagree more !
Censoring information that has not been proven incorrect, or misleading .. or even been questioned in it's own right ... seems very wrong to me ( and is what I would expect to be anathema to a 'Justice forum' )
So - if a second-hand car salesman sells you a car that he says has only done 40,000 miles on the clock but when you get it checked over you discover it's actually done 140,000 miles on the clock you'd still trust the dealer to sell you a car whose milometer hadn't been tampered with? I wouldn't. Once bitten, twice shy!
We are not talking about second hand cars ... we are talking about censoring information without a valid reason for doing so
I feel very strongly about that, on principle
Actually we are talking about something bit more serious than forum debate - we are talking about someone from Canada meddling in UK police matters and wasting UK Police resources by sending in videos that are nothing but lies. I posed a question to HIDEHO over a week ago whether she would correct the proven falsehoods in her videos and re-submit them to Scotland Yard and she didn't even have the decency to reply. And as a UK tax payer that concerns me. and I am taking steps to do something about her meddling and lies.
Is it possible to do anything about Pat Brown as well? She tried to change evidence. Ably helped, it seems, by someone from PT
Hi sadie, Pat Brown is a joke and not taken seriously by anybody who matters, thank God. She tried to up her "profile" by latching onto the Madeleine case and failed miserably. She can be safely laughed at as a no-mark .... and to her credit at least she has not tried to meddle in the Operation Grange review by sending a consignment of lie-strewn videos to the Team.
Pat Brown is merely comedy value - hideHO is actively trying to meddle in a Uk Police review.
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I disagree. If someone is shown to have deliberately produced a video based on falsehoods and misinformation then it calls into question other similar videos they have made, so it is right to remove them to be on the safe side.
I couldn't disagree more !
Censoring information that has not been proven incorrect, or misleading .. or even been questioned in it's own right ... seems very wrong to me ( and is what I would expect to be anathema to a 'Justice forum' )
So - if a second-hand car salesman sells you a car that he says has only done 40,000 miles on the clock but when you get it checked over you discover it's actually done 140,000 miles on the clock you'd still trust the dealer to sell you a car whose milometer hadn't been tampered with? I wouldn't. Once bitten, twice shy!
We are not talking about second hand cars ... we are talking about censoring information without a valid reason for doing so
I feel very strongly about that, on principle
Actually we are talking about something bit more serious than forum debate - we are talking about someone from Canada meddling in UK police matters and wasting UK Police resources by sending in videos that are nothing but lies. I posed a question to HIDEHO over a week ago whether she would correct the proven falsehoods in her videos and re-submit them to Scotland Yard and she didn't even have the decency to reply. And as a UK tax payer that concerns me. and I am taking steps to do something about her meddling and lies.
Is it possible to do anything about Pat Brown as well? She tried to change evidence. Ably helped, it seems, by someone from PT
Hi sadie, Pat Brown is a joke and not taken seriously by anybody who matters, thank God. She tried to up her "profile" by latching onto the Madeleine case and failed miserably. She can be safely laughed at as a no-mark .... and to her credit at least she has not tried to meddle in the Operation Grange review by sending a consignment of lie-strewn videos to the Team.
Pat Brown is merely comedy value - hideHO is actively trying to meddle in a Uk Police review.
thus you are assuming 37 seasoned detedtives could be influenced by personal video compilations by an anonymous internet websleuther, or by a usa criminal profiler, well that one, im not too sure about, they possibly might listen to her, you are basically calling the police stupid
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The only people that could possibly meddle or have influence with a police investigation are those involved in it or with it and that is not people like hideho or pat brown, so stop fretting now
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I disagree. If someone is shown to have deliberately produced a video based on falsehoods and misinformation then it calls into question other similar videos they have made, so it is right to remove them to be on the safe side.
I couldn't disagree more !
Censoring information that has not been proven incorrect, or misleading .. or even been questioned in it's own right ... seems very wrong to me ( and is what I would expect to be anathema to a 'Justice forum' )
So - if a second-hand car salesman sells you a car that he says has only done 40,000 miles on the clock but when you get it checked over you discover it's actually done 140,000 miles on the clock you'd still trust the dealer to sell you a car whose milometer hadn't been tampered with? I wouldn't. Once bitten, twice shy!
We are not talking about second hand cars ... we are talking about censoring information without a valid reason for doing so
I feel very strongly about that, on principle
Actually we are talking about something bit more serious than forum debate - we are talking about someone from Canada meddling in UK police matters and wasting UK Police resources by sending in videos that are nothing but lies. I posed a question to HIDEHO over a week ago whether she would correct the proven falsehoods in her videos and re-submit them to Scotland Yard and she didn't even have the decency to reply. And as a UK tax payer that concerns me. and I am taking steps to do something about her meddling and lies.
Is it possible to do anything about Pat Brown as well? She tried to change evidence. Ably helped, it seems, by someone from PT
Hi sadie, Pat Brown is a joke and not taken seriously by anybody who matters, thank God. She tried to up her "profile" by latching onto the Madeleine case and failed miserably. She can be safely laughed at as a no-mark .... and to her credit at least she has not tried to meddle in the Operation Grange review by sending a consignment of lie-strewn videos to the Team.
Pat Brown is merely comedy value - hideHO is actively trying to meddle in a Uk Police review.
thus you are assuming 37 seasoned detedtives could be influenced by personal video compilations by an anonymous internet websleuther, or by a usa criminal profiler, well that one, im not too sure about, they possibly might listen to her, you are basically calling the police stupid
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The only people that could possibly meddle or have influence with a police investigation are those involved in it or with it and that is not people like hideho or pat brown, so stop fretting now
SY aren't stupid. They wont listen to peeps like HiDeHo and Pat Brown and take their stuff on board
But they might waste SY time in their efforts to change the evidence.
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I am confident that HIdeHO's lie-strewn rubbish will have been consigned to the "Cranks and Nutters" file at Grange HQ, along with the "dossier" from the Madeleine Foundation. As you say, SY are not stupid and will recognise these things for the rubbish that they are. I'm just annoyed that police resources may have been wasted on viewing them.
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They wont listen to peeps like HiDeHo and Pat Brown and take their stuff on board
I still say Pat and policeman Pete-type did Gerry an immense service by demonstrating that the shutters could be opened from the outside ...