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Offline Eleanor

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2018, 09:21:21 PM »

Why do you dislike him so much?  Do you actually believe that he did murder Jill Dando?  Not that you shouldn't if you so wish.

Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2018, 09:35:59 PM »
The whole thing was a disgrace frankly that someone like George could ever be seen as being capable of such a crime without leaving a forensic footprint behind.  SY has lost much credibility over this case and still haven't provided George with an appropriate apology.

According to this news article from 2015 the evidence from the crime scene has never been seen by the public?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/key-jill-dando-murder-evidence-5419910
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2018, 09:59:38 PM »
Why do you dislike him so much?  Do you actually believe that he did murder Jill Dando?  Not that you shouldn't if you so wish.

I've already answered your questions.

My doubts remain, mainly due to how it (the case) has been presented in the media and by whom it has been presented.

"But the High Court ruled he did not qualify because jurors could still reasonably have convicted him despite new evidence that led to his acquittal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21195269

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02n7rgj

What is Bates referring to re the Daily Mirror reporting? And from what newspapers did George win damages?



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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2018, 10:35:02 PM »
Why do you dislike him so much?  Do you actually believe that he did murder Jill Dando?  Not that you shouldn't if you so wish.

This article suggests the prosecution were "intellectually confused in their arguments relating to George's character" but that could equally be said of the defence (and of the author of the article).

"The prosecution were, to put it politely, intellectually confused in their arguments relating to George’s character. On the one hand they wished us to believe that George was capable of having coldly planned and executed a most efficient killing without leaving any forensic or other direct evidence to convict him. On the other hand, when it suited them, they portrayed George as a reckless near simpleton.
George’s character as depicted at the trial suggested a seriously inept and disorganised man. As a boy he was a problematic enough a personality to have been sent to a special boarding school. He has never been able to hold down a job and has spent almost all of the time since he left school unemployed. He suffers from epilepsy to the extent that he was allowed an attendant in the dock at the Dando trial to assist him in the event of a fit. He was said to be of low intelligence. He lived in a terrible physical mess — his flat was covered with a deep “soil” of paper and other oddments such as a large number of rolls of undeveloped f ilms.
of particular importance to the trial was the fact that George is a serial fantasist of Walter Mitty proportions. This had two effects. First, evidence that he had lied to the police became essentially worthless without other corroborating evidence, be- cause lying was second nature to George and, indeed, it is the type of behaviour which would have been reasonably expected from him in the circumstances of being arrested and questioned by the police. Second, much of the other evidence, such as his habit of following women, could be plausibly explained by his tendency to act out his fantasies.
George’s fantasy world was one in which he sought satisfac- tion, and doubtless attention, by pretending to be someone gla- morous or connected to someone glamorous or to have been in
glamorous or sensational circumstances. At various times dur- ing the twenty years prior to the murder he has claimed to be Steve Majors (a name derived from Lee Majors and the charac- ter, Steve Austin, he played in the TV series The Bionic Man), an SAS soldier by the name of Thomas Palmer (an SAS soldier involved in the Iranian Embassy siege), Paul Gadd (the pop star Gary Glitter’s real name) and Freddie Mercury’s cousin (for which he used the name Barry Bulsara) to mention just a few. He has at various times also claimed to be in possession of a rocket propelled grenade launcher and to be able to roller skate over four double decker buses.
George did not merely have fantasies he acted them out. When he was pretending to be Freddie Mercury’s cousin, Barry Bul- sara, he went to Mercury’s home after the singer’s death in a hired white limousine and left flowers outside the house. He then proceeded to sign autographs for a while, having per- suaded mourning fans that he was related to Mercury.
In 1983 he was arrested by police in Kensington Gardens near to the Princess of Wales’ home, crouched in the bushes, dressed in pseudo military gear and equipped with a knife and rope. The police arrested him but did not press charges, although they searched his flat. The Royal Protection Group (RPG) did however, list him as a potential threat to the Royal Family. An RPG member also suggested him to the team investigating the Rachel Nickell murder in 1992 as a possible suspect.
In 1985 George was living in a bed and breakfast hotel in Gloucester Road, West London. There he came to know a family by the name of Dobbins. After they moved to a flat in Fulham George called on them unexpectedly dressed in combat gear and a balaclava. Once in the hallway of the flat he pro- duced a handgun and fired a blank shot. He showed the Dob- bins’ son, David, the blank rounds in his pocket and then left.
A further example of his exhibitionistic and obsessive men- tality comes from his medical history. George attended no less than eighteen different surgeries in West London at various times and was known as a “heart sink” patient because he was constantly coming in with imagined ailments.
Doctors who examined George after his arrest diagnosed an impressive array of psychiatric disorders: psychopathic person- ality, narcissistic personality, histrionic personality, paranoid personality and Asperger’s Syndrome (a disorder linked to aut- ism). As a boy he was diagnosed as suffering from attention hyperactivity disorder. George was also diagnosed as having somatisation disorder and concurrent factitious disorder.
Whether psychiatric diagnoses mean anything is debatable. However, the police and courts credit them and therefore should have taken them into account before a prosecution was mounted. The interesting thing about these diagnoses is that they relate to personality traits which could innocently explain every part of George’s supposedly suspicious behaviour both before and after the Dando murder. A psychopathic personality is prone to lying and using aliases. A narcissistic personality is one who urgently seeks attention and admiration and has a heightened sense of self-importance. A histrionic personality will imagine they have a well developed relationship with someone they do not know at all in a personal sense. A para- noid personality has obvious ramifications for George’s suspi- cion of the police. Asperger’s sufferers have major problems with personal relationships and a tendency to become ob- sessive. Finally, somatisation disorder and concurrent facti- tious disorder explained his imagined illnesses.http://www.libertarian.co.uk/lapubs/legan/legan037.pdf

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2018, 10:43:28 PM »
"The police did not take George seriously as a suspect until nearly a year after the murder, despite some reports from the public early in the investigation which suggested that he might be worth investigating. The police explanation for the delay was the sheer volume of leads they had to follow up — these ran to several thousands. This could conceivably be the rea- son, but more probably by the time the police turned their at- tentions to George they were getting desperate because of their failure to charge anyone and feeling utterly thwarted by the sheer lack of hard evidence to follow up. This view is leant weight by the words of Assistant Commissioner Brian Moore who said at the conclusion of the trial:
It was a strange attack. It was not seen by anybody, the killer was not seen by anyone at the time and very little forensic evidence left behind. There could be no more difficult environment to investigate a case.
(Daily Telegraph 3/7/01)

Something very similar to the above was written about Suffolk police in relation to the murder of Joan Albert.

It was around 7 months before her murderer was apprehended.


"Detectives say the attack happened after 9pm on Saturday. They added that the inquiry is focusing on a "burglary that went wrong". Forensic science officers are examining the scene.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/murder-mystery-of-rich-widow-6298913.html

http://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/cctv-could-help-joan-murder-hunt-1-124390

https://justice4joanalbert.wordpress.com/2013/02/09/mrs-joan-albert/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2018, 11:14:14 PM »
I've already answered your questions.

My doubts remain, mainly due to how it (the case) has been presented in the media and by whom and when it has been presented.

"But the High Court ruled he did not qualify because jurors could still reasonably have convicted him despite new evidence that led to his acquittal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21195269

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02n7rgj

What is Bates referring to re the Daily Mirror reporting? And from what newspapers did George win damages?

This clip (above 2nd down) is originally from 5 live Breakfast on April 1 2015. The interviewer had to pick Michelle Bates up on her comment regarding withheld evidence. She then appears unsure of how to respond?

However, Bates refers to offender profiling material. I'm interested in learning more about this.

"His lawyers are demanding an inquiry following a series of reports in The Mirror that claim Mr George could have been cleared earlier if psychological reports had been given to his defence team.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2018, 11:21:19 PM »
No.  I am saying that The Prosecution Case was Flawed.

The Prosecuting QC said....  What he said doesn't make Barry George a Murderer.

"As the Old Bailey hearing got underway, pyschologist Dr Susan Young took her seat in the dock alongside the convicted sex offender, where she will remain throughout the case.

Her role is to ensure her client is relaxed, attentive and stress-free during the proceedings.

For George, her "specialist techniques" - which include massaging his temples - are an invaluable aide to his powers of concentration in the courtroom.

But her services do not come cheaply to the taxpayer. Already, she has run up a bill of around £30,000 helping George "cope" with various court proceedings over the past six years.

She was at his side during his ten-week trial in 2001 when she sat in the well of the court monitoring whether George suffered any "petit mal" minor epileptic fits which meant he could not follow the case.
In his cell below Court Number One at the Old Bailey, Dr Young also conducted regular "relaxation exercises" - such as massaging his head.

The £500-a-day psychologist was also in close attention during his failed appeal attempt in 2002.

Yesterday, the pair were reunited when Dr Young, 50, was again allowed to sit next to George.

He passed several notes to his psychologist and they had numerous whispered exchanges behind the wrought-iron bars.
George's QC William Clegg explained Dr Young's presence to the court by saying his client had learning difficulties and "intellectual functioning in the borderline range".

"He has epilepsy and severe cognitive impairment. He has a tendency to fantasise and is on record as claiming to be related to Freddie Mercury and having served in the SAS. Neither was right. At his trial Dr Young sat with him and, with the court's leave, does again today."

Jail sources say George is "clearly delighted" to have Dr Young in such close proximity.
"He certainly perks up when she is around," said one.
Their friendship goes back to 2001 when Dr Young told the Old Bailey that giving evidence would be a devastating experience for George and that he should not be discriminated against for staying silent.
She said she worried whenever she saw him drifting off and her expert opinion was accepted by the court and supported by two eminent psychiatrists.
Her notes for one "fit" as George sat in the dock read: 'He looks spaced out, unfocused. He looks out of it.'
But psychologist Dr Caroline Logan, called by the prosecution, said she believed George feigned illness in the hope of influencing the case.

Prosecutor Orlando Pownall told the Old Bailey that on one occasion George brought up a blue liquid claiming it was bile, only for it to turn out to be washing-up liquid.

Last week Dr Young appeared in a controversial BBC Panorama programme on the case, in which she claimed George was not capable of carrying out Miss Dando's murder.

"He wouldn't have had the wherewithal that he needed to have to plan and execute this crime," she added.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491772/Blonde-psychologist-paid-500-day-Dando-killer-head-massages-cell.html#ixzz5BMtunFT8
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2018, 01:25:58 AM »
"As the Old Bailey hearing got underway, pyschologist Dr Susan Young took her seat in the dock alongside the convicted sex offender, where she will remain throughout the case.

Her role is to ensure her client is relaxed, attentive and stress-free during the proceedings.

For George, her "specialist techniques" - which include massaging his temples - are an invaluable aide to his powers of concentration in the courtroom.

But her services do not come cheaply to the taxpayer. Already, she has run up a bill of around £30,000 helping George "cope" with various court proceedings over the past six years.

She was at his side during his ten-week trial in 2001 when she sat in the well of the court monitoring whether George suffered any "petit mal" minor epileptic fits which meant he could not follow the case.
In his cell below Court Number One at the Old Bailey, Dr Young also conducted regular "relaxation exercises" - such as massaging his head.

The £500-a-day psychologist was also in close attention during his failed appeal attempt in 2002.

Yesterday, the pair were reunited when Dr Young, 50, was again allowed to sit next to George.

He passed several notes to his psychologist and they had numerous whispered exchanges behind the wrought-iron bars.
George's QC William Clegg explained Dr Young's presence to the court by saying his client had learning difficulties and "intellectual functioning in the borderline range".

"He has epilepsy and severe cognitive impairment. He has a tendency to fantasise and is on record as claiming to be related to Freddie Mercury and having served in the SAS. Neither was right. At his trial Dr Young sat with him and, with the court's leave, does again today."

Jail sources say George is "clearly delighted" to have Dr Young in such close proximity.
"He certainly perks up when she is around," said one.
Their friendship goes back to 2001 when Dr Young told the Old Bailey that giving evidence would be a devastating experience for George and that he should not be discriminated against for staying silent.
She said she worried whenever she saw him drifting off and her expert opinion was accepted by the court and supported by two eminent psychiatrists.
Her notes for one "fit" as George sat in the dock read: 'He looks spaced out, unfocused. He looks out of it.'
But psychologist Dr Caroline Logan, called by the prosecution, said she believed George feigned illness in the hope of influencing the case.

Prosecutor Orlando Pownall told the Old Bailey that on one occasion George brought up a blue liquid claiming it was bile, only for it to turn out to be washing-up liquid.

Last week Dr Young appeared in a controversial BBC Panorama programme on the case, in which she claimed George was not capable of carrying out Miss Dando's murder.

"He wouldn't have had the wherewithal that he needed to have to plan and execute this crime," she added.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-491772/Blonde-psychologist-paid-500-day-Dando-killer-head-massages-cell.html#ixzz5BMtunFT8

There's a similar case here http://murderpedia.org/male.M/m/moore-bobby-james.htm
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2018, 09:06:19 AM »
Why do you dislike him so much?  Do you actually believe that he did murder Jill Dando?  Not that you shouldn't if you so wish.

It's not unheard of for men like George, with borderline intellectual functioning, to murder. This case, similar to Jeremy Bambers was "high profile" at the time Jill Dando was murdered - she presented BBC's crime watch programme and a media frenzy followed.

Who and what am I meant to believe? Who's story is more credible? The police or Barry George's supporters? Have we been manipulated? Far too much irony for my liking....

Did the police go after George after bowing down to public pressure? The police at the time said he fit their profile. George wasnt awarded compensation as he wasn't "innocent enough." Is this because of lack of understanding into George's psychology or because the police still suspect he was responsible?

Does this case all boil down to expert opinion relating to George's psychology? The police believed he feigned much. His supporters say he wasn't capable of murder. This was an organised killing?



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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2018, 10:14:51 AM »
Professor Fallon says: "Psychopathy itself is not recognised as a category in the psychiatric DSM—the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual—partly because the concept of personality disorders is controversial, as so many of the symptoms overlap, such as narcissism, [ censored word]ocial behaviour and lack of empathy.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/allinthemind/5427024
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #40 on: April 01, 2018, 09:52:51 PM »
As 'misfit' Barry George began his life as a free man today - having spent eight years in jail - a woman told of how he raped her 25 years ago.
Karen Gray was a 20-year-old university languages student, when she was attacked and raped by George in the stairwell of a block of flats in West London.
But the Old Bailey jury were not permitted to hear the details of his vile attack on Miss Gray as she reached home - as it may have prejudiced his trial.
George was a stranger who followed her in the street, told her he was in the RAF, tried to hold her hand and spoke a few German phrases to impress her.
She thought he was a harmless oddball, 'a sad case' and didn't feel threatened or frightened by him.
But when he followed her into the block of flats where her mother lived, he changed.
The Old Bailey jury heard that George was incapable of planning or carrying out a series of actions without panicking or triggering an epileptic fit.
Nine years after the shooting of TV presenter Jill Dando on her own doorstep, and seven years after he was convicted of the crime, the jury took less than two days to acquit him.
As he walked from court a free man, Miss Dando's family are now facing the probability that her murder will never be solved.
But what the jury were not permitted to hear was the details of his vile attack on Miss Gray as she reached home.
On the stairs of a block of flats, George overpowered her, smothered her screams with his hand over her nose and mouth and ripped down her jeans to rape her.
As he left, he said 'sorry' before making for the nearest underground station and disappearing. He was not caught for a year.
It is hard to equate this glimpse of George the determined sex attacker with the man portrayed in court and by his family as a victim.
Miss Gray knows what he is capable of. Now 46 and a mother of two, she says: 'It appeared to me that whatever his IQ, there was something there that permits him to be cunning and devious.
'He had lots of aliases and he told me he was Steve Majors and was clever enough to get himself involved in some Evel Knievel-style stunt.
'I believe there is more to him than is portrayed.'
It is 25 years since the attack, but Miss Gray has not forgotten the details. She was an undergraduate studying French and German when George asked her the time as she walked from Turnham Green Underground station to her mother's home in Chiswick.
'I was a bit of a punk then with auburn hair and had a red leather jacket on and jeans.
'I was not some innocent - I thought I was streetwise - but I didn't read him properly. He presented himself as a harmless character
'He walked beside me and said he was in the RAF and would I like to go to a party with him.
'I kept my answers monosyllabic so he was in no doubt I was not interested in him. But he kept chatting away and tried to hold my hand.
'When he heard I had recently lived in Germany, he said a phrase in German.'
What his victim did not know was that the apparently harmless man at her side had already been given a suspended two-year sentence for a previous sex attack.
Now, she says ruefully: 'I suppose I was far too polite and he wasn't taking the hint but I wasn't frightened.
'In my mind I thought I was nearly at my mum's front door and I thought he would just go away.'
Later, after the murder of Jill Dando, a handwritten note found in his chaotic and cluttered flat provided a clue to what happened next.
It read: 'I have difficulty handling rejection. I become angry ... it starts a chain of events which is beyond my control.'
And so, rejected by the girl in the red leather jacket, he waited until they were alone and attacked her.
She recalled: 'He changed when we walked up the stairs and he jumped on me from behind.
'He didn't have a knife or a gun but he forced me into a corner and put his hand over my mouth and nose so I couldn't breathe.
'He was very strong but it was all pretty pathetic. He pulled my jeans down and raped me but he couldn't finish the act.'
The attack was carried out in silence. When it was over, her attacker simply mumbled 'Sorry' before running off.
'I ran up to my mum's door and hammered on it for help,' his victim says.
'The police came pretty quickly and asked all the neighbours if they had seen anything but no one had. I went back to university and just got on with my life.'
A year later, George was caught after sexually assaulting another woman. He matched the description given by Miss Gray and a police officer remembered her attacker had used a German phrase.
He asked George if he spoke German and the suspect repeated exactly the same phrases.
When confronted, he broke down and confessed. He was initially charged with rape but because of a dispute over forensic evidence, the police reluctantly accepted his plea to attempted rape, partly to spare the victim from giving evidence.

At the Old Bailey in March 1983, George was jailed for two and half years and given an extra three months for breaching the previous suspended sentence.
Miss Gray, a senior civil servant who lives in a west London suburb, has refused to allow George, and his degrading attack, to ruin her life.
'I have only cried twice about it,' she says.
'Once, after it happened because of the shock, and the second time when I heard the same man had been arrested for murdering Jill Dando.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1040746/Barry-George-raped-mums-door-said-sorry.html#ixzz5BSOXcDE1
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #41 on: April 01, 2018, 10:44:50 PM »
I'm interested in learning more about this.

"His lawyers are demanding an inquiry following a series of reports in The Mirror that claim Mr George could have been cleared earlier if psychological reports had been given to his defence team.

"George was convicted of attempted rape in 1983 and sentenced to 33 months imprisonment after attacking a languages student called Karen Gray, who was 20 at the time.
She said after his original conviction: “He was below me and suddenly he jumped up and pounced on me from behind.
“He didn’t say anything, he just pinned me in the corner, pulling my arm up my back. I was screaming for my life but no one heard. He put his hand over my nose and mouth and I couldn’t breathe, I thought I was going to die. He was desperately trying to shut me up. He had gargantuan strength. I’m five foot eight, well-built and fit but I couldn’t fight him off.”
Two prisoners who shared cells with George in prison came forward during his retrial to allege he had confessed to them that he was guilty of Miss Dando’s murder, but their evidence was not put before the jury.
Commander Simon Foy, who heads the Metropolitan Police’s Homicide Command, said: “We are disappointed by today’s verdict, but especially disappointed for Jill’s family and friends, however we respect the decision of the court.
“The investigation into her murder was complex, thorough and professional with more than 2,500 statements taken and 3,700 exhibits recovered.
“It would not be appropriate to comment any further at this time except to say that we will be reflecting upon today’s verdict and considering how best to proceed.”
Hilary Bradfield, of the Crown Prosecution Service, said: “Mr George now has the right be regarded as an innocent man but that does not mean it was wrong to bring the case. The fact that the trial ran its full course confirms that although it has changed in detail, the circumstantial evidence which has been tested over and over again by the courts was judged fit to be put before a jury.”
The police investigation into Miss Dando’s murder and the two trials are estimated to have cost the public purse £10million.
Despite the clamour for a new investigation yesterday, detectives pointed out that they have already re-assessed the evidence in the case three times over the years without coming up with any new leads.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2487091/Barry-George-cleared-of-murdering-Jill-Dando.html
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #42 on: April 02, 2018, 09:24:00 AM »
It's not unheard of for men like George, with borderline intellectual functioning, to murder. This case, similar to Jeremy Bambers was "high profile" at the time Jill Dando was murdered - she presented BBC's crime watch programme and a media frenzy followed.

Who and what am I meant to believe? Who's story is more credible? The police or Barry George's supporters? Have we been manipulated? Far too much irony for my liking....

Did the police go after George after bowing down to public pressure? The police at the time said he fit their profile. George wasnt awarded compensation as he wasn't "innocent enough." Is this because of lack of understanding into George's psychology or because the police still suspect he was responsible?

Does this case all boil down to expert opinion relating to George's psychology? The police believed he feigned much. His supporters say he wasn't capable of murder. This was an organised killing?

Barry George's uncle Mike Burke said in his book, "The investigation into the disappearance of Madaleine McCann was possibly the only case to receive more attention than Dando's murder."

He goes on to say;

"I was quite annoyed when I read reports of Doctor Michael Kopelmans medical opinion of Barry.it seemed to me that Barry's inappropriate behaviour was being blamed on the overall family. I sent a protest to Jeremy Moore. In my opinion one is responsible for ones own actions. And it is a cop out to try and blame ones bad behaviour on the family.

Wasn't part of George's defence based on genetics?

A further example of his exhibitionistic and obsessive men- tality comes from his medical history. George attended no less than eighteen different surgeries in West London at various times and was known as a “heart sink” patient because he was constantly coming in with imagined ailments.
Doctors who examined George after his arrest diagnosed an impressive array of psychiatric disorders: psychopathic person- ality, narcissistic personality, histrionic personality, paranoid personality and Asperger’s Syndrome (a disorder linked to aut- ism). As a boy he was diagnosed as suffering from attention hyperactivity disorder. George was also diagnosed as having somatisation disorder and concurrent factitious disorder.
Whether psychiatric diagnoses mean anything is debatable. However, the police and courts credit them and therefore should have taken them into account before a prosecution was mounted. The interesting thing about these diagnoses is that they relate to personality traits which could innocently explain every part of George’s supposedly suspicious behaviour both before and after the Dando murder. A psychopathic personality is prone to lying and using aliases. A narcissistic personality is one who urgently seeks attention and admiration and has a heightened sense of self-importance. A histrionic personality will imagine they have a well developed relationship with someone they do not know at all in a personal sense. A para- noid personality has obvious ramifications for George’s suspi- cion of the police. Asperger’s sufferers have major problems with personal relationships and a tendency to become ob- sessive. Finally, somatisation disorder and concurrent facti- tious disorder explained his imagined illnesses.http://www.libertarian.co.uk/lapubs/legan/legan037.pdf

"Research suggests that genetics, abuse and other factors contribute to the development of obsessive-compulsive, narcissistic or other personality disorders.
In the past, some believed that people with personality disorders were just lazy or even evil. But new research has begun to explore such potential causes as genetics, parenting and peer influences:http://www.apa.org/topics/personality/disorders-causes.aspx
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #43 on: April 02, 2018, 09:55:12 AM »
Why bother with Trials?

It is no longer a Miscarriage of Justice because he has been Acquitted.

These are throw away comments Eleanor and don't address my posts.

Define your understanding of a miscarriage of justice.


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Offline Nicholas

Re: Barry George revisited.
« Reply #44 on: April 02, 2018, 10:03:33 AM »
My doubts remain, mainly due to how it (the case) has been presented in the media and by whom it has been presented.

"But the High Court ruled he did not qualify because jurors could still reasonably have convicted him despite new evidence that led to his acquittal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21195269

Seems I'm not alone.

George's uncle said (in his book 'Mike's Story),

"I met Scott Lomax on Friday and we had a chat and a quick drink. Michelle, Serg Sinclair and Tanya joined us. We had a friendly chat but Serg seemed to be a little sarcastic towards Scott's writings. I felt uncomfortable, embarrassed and Scott seemed a little annoyed.

To what "writings" of Scott Lomax was Serg Sinclair referring?
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