So what actual searching was there?

[Robittybob1]

The OP again "Doesn't seem to be much searching going on does there.

Where, if at all, have Kate & Gerry been searching recently, anyone know?"

So is this thread all about subsequent searches by Kate and Gerry?  Fantastic to think that there has been so much that it has been able to fill 156 pages of the forum.  Fantastic!

[G-Unit]

PJ FILES ALTERED - WHY ??????????
a Special thank you to one of our supporters, who has brought to our attention that the witness statements of Rajinder Singh Balu and Neil Berry have been altered.

The original statements in the PJ files stated that Neil Berry & Raj Balu sitting on there balcony saw a man looking for his daughter in the bushes below.They then engaged with him from the balcony, and then went down and helped him search. That man was Gerry McCann. This text no longer exists in the witness statements. Why is it significant, because the Balu/ Berry sighting of Gerry McCann is 15 meters from the back fence-line of the Murat property. What the hell is going on here ????
https://www.facebook.com/diggingformadeleinmccann/photos/a.216699198493115.1073741849.205966349566400/761895153973514/?type=3&theater

Utter tosh in my opinion and certainly not a trustworthy source!

[Robittybob1]

Utter tosh in my opinion and certainly not a trustworthy source!

Might be worthy of a new thread though,  for I had a similar impression somehow.

[misty]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BRIGADE-OF-INFORMATION.htm

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Subject: Group timeline after Madeleine's disappearance


Date:14-08-2007

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It is difficult to confirm where all the elements were in the minutes/ hours after the discovery that Madeleine was missing. It appears that most of the women remained within or near the apartments, Fiona Payne left and searched around the complex, before returning to the McCann's apartment where she stayed with Kate. Then Emma Knights (client support director) searched the beach area and asked Kate what Madeleine had been wearing. Shortly afterwards Emma returned to the McCann's apartment and stayed with Kate.

The men's movements, however, are more difficult to pinpoint.

Gerald was seen and spoken to by Neil Berry and Raj Malu. They heard him calling for Madeleine when they were sitting on Neil's balcony, not far from the McCann's apartment. They both went down to talk to Gerald and helped in the search.

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Presumably this was confirmed in statement form.

[G-Unit]

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BRIGADE-OF-INFORMATION.htm

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Subject: Group timeline after Madeleine's disappearance


Date:14-08-2007

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It is difficult to confirm where all the elements were in the minutes/ hours after the discovery that Madeleine was missing. It appears that most of the women remained within or near the apartments, Fiona Payne left and searched around the complex, before returning to the McCann's apartment where she stayed with Kate. Then Emma Knights (client support director) searched the beach area and asked Kate what Madeleine had been wearing. Shortly afterwards Emma returned to the McCann's apartment and stayed with Kate.

The men's movements, however, are more difficult to pinpoint.

Gerald was seen and spoken to by Neil Berry and Raj Malu. They heard him calling for Madeleine when they were sitting on Neil's balcony, not far from the McCann's apartment. They both went down to talk to Gerald and helped in the search.

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Presumably this was confirmed in statement form.

As seen and reported by 7792 Eaton, I expect, whose name is at the bottom of that section of the report. Why those statements aren't in the files isn't known.

[Brietta]

As seen and reported by 7792 Eaton, I expect, whose name is at the bottom of that section of the report. Why those statements aren't in the files isn't known.

Not actually "utter tosh" then??

[misty]

As seen and reported by 7792 Eaton, I expect, whose name is at the bottom of that section of the report. Why those statements aren't in the files isn't known.

None of the initialwitness statements given to UK police, bar Jez Wilkins's, appear in the files. Data protection, I assume; or they may contain some uncomfortable truths which would have helped prove a certain book even more libellous than it already is.
IMO.

[Robittybob1]

As seen and reported by 7792 Eaton, I expect, whose name is at the bottom of that section of the report. Why those statements aren't in the files isn't known.

There are plenty of statements which aren't in the file.

[slartibartfast]

Not actually "utter tosh" then??

The tosh is that they where ever in the files. IMO

[Brietta]

The tosh is that they where ever in the files. IMO

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Date:14-08-2007
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Gerald was seen and spoken to by Neil Berry and Raj Malu. They heard him calling for Madeleine when they were sitting on Neil's balcony, not far from the McCann's apartment. They both went down to talk to Gerald and helped in the search. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BRIGADE-OF-INFORMATION.htm

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5348.msg459377#msg459377

Presumably that information was in the files when the OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS - P.J. BRIGADE OF INFORMATION ANALYSIS was collated?
If not ... where did it come from?

[slartibartfast]

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Date:14-08-2007
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Gerald was seen and spoken to by Neil Berry and Raj Malu. They heard him calling for Madeleine when they were sitting on Neil's balcony, not far from the McCann's apartment. They both went down to talk to Gerald and helped in the search. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BRIGADE-OF-INFORMATION.htm

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5348.msg459377#msg459377

Presumably that information was in the files when the OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS - P.J. BRIGADE OF INFORMATION ANALYSIS was collated?
If not ... where did it come from?

It doesn’t mean a statement from Berry and Malu was in the files.

[G-Unit]

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Date:14-08-2007
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Gerald was seen and spoken to by Neil Berry and Raj Malu. They heard him calling for Madeleine when they were sitting on Neil's balcony, not far from the McCann's apartment. They both went down to talk to Gerald and helped in the search. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BRIGADE-OF-INFORMATION.htm

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5348.msg459377#msg459377

Presumably that information was in the files when the OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS - P.J. BRIGADE OF INFORMATION ANALYSIS was collated?
If not ... where did it come from?

Pages 1-11 of that report were produced by the PJ's  DCCB in September 2007. Pages 12-14 were produced by Operation Task in August 2007.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/OUSTROS_APENSOS_2_SET_SEP07.htm

The quote about Balu and Berry was on page 14, as was a quote about Valerie Kerr. None of their statements are in the PJ files, but the UK police had them, read them and quoted them in August 2007.

The PJ asked Balu in the rog questions;

How did you get to know that a child was missing ?

With regard to the question as to how I became aware a child had gone missing and my involvement in the searches;

After 22:00 we were still sitting on the veranda in the Berry apartment. We heard noises downstairs and afterwards found out that a child had disappeared.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RAJ_BALU.htm

The same question was asked of Berry;


When exactly did you realise that a child was missing ? Where were you then and who were you with ?

From 22.00 onwards all the events that took place were already described in my previous statement of 7th May 2007 and i cannot add any further information, other than that which was already added.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NEIL_BERRY.htm

The question is, did the PJ see those original statements? If so, why ask a question which had already been answered according to the Operation Task report?

[Brietta]

It doesn’t mean a statement from Berry and Malu was in the files.

Who fabricated the information contained in the Reports from the Brigade for Information Analysis then?  Which were allegedly taken from official documents and files.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BRIGADE-OF-INFORMATION.htm

[slartibartfast]

Who fabricated the information contained in the Reports from the Brigade for Information Analysis then?  Which were allegedly taken from official documents and files.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BRIGADE-OF-INFORMATION.htm

It’s very simple, there are statements that aren’t in the released files.

[Eleanor]

It’s very simple, there are statements that aren’t in the released files.

Why is that do you think?