Who has Doubts as to Dr Vincent Tabak's Guilt ?

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I'm just reading an article about Dr Vincent Tabak with regards The Child Porn charges....

Now I believe they  persisted with this charge for one simple reason and one simple reason only...

It took them years to take him to court for this charge... which in itself should raise eyebrows.... The amount of supposed images had been 30... It was 30 for years until suddenly when they get him to court it changes to 145 images... Why has no-one questioned this ???

With all the other irregularities that appear to have taken place in this case... why has this not been challenged also??

Anyway.... Someone replied to this article on a Law Blog...  And indicated that the extra charge laid against Dr Vincent Tabak would affect his parole hearing and license... So maybe it was more to do with them trying to make sure that Dr Vincent Tabak doesn't get released other than anything else in relation to this case...

The minimum tariff Dr Vincent Tabak received was 20 years because of the "Sexual Element" that wasn't proven... coupled with this charge...someone has gone to great lengths (IMO)... to make sure that Dr Vincent Tabak doesn't get out of prison.... To go back home to his native Holland... and maybe then... be able to tell the true side of the story and what was done to him at the hands of the British Judicial System...

Many of them will have retired by then...

Now... after this post I find an article about another guy and Child Porn....

An IT worker for home appliance giant Siemens was spared jail after he was caught with more than 40,000 indecent images of children. Oleg Isakov, 48, frantically tried to delete the sickening photographs when police knocked on his door at 6:25am on 1 September last year. A police officer seized the laptop from his hands before Isakov could remove the files. Isakov downloaded footage of girls and boys as young as four being sexually abused by men, Kingston Crown Court…

Now... The supposed images that Dr Vincent Tabak had on "A" laptop were pseudo porn... It was never established if Dr Vincent Tabak had downloaded these images or.... As I have discovered ... had the ability with a program such as "Paint" to change an image on his laptop...

How can you compare the the two crimes?? Why does it appear that someone somewhere is trying their hardest to make sure Dr Vincent Tabak does not get an opportunity to even serve his sentence in Holland??

What has been hidden.. covered up... with regards Dr Vincent Tabak???

And why was the charge of the supposed Child Porn .. brought to court years later ....



http://courtnewsuk.co.uk/worker-caught-40000-indecent-images-walks-free/

[nina]

According to Sally Ramage's account, VT arrived home at about 7pm, and was at Constitution Hill at 6.54pm.  Whether or not he was seen on CCTV there, I have no idea. 

Blimey so VT used to cycle home via Constitution Hill !!  Today's generation would, I expect say, RESPECT, well I give him that, but just for the Constitution Hill ride.

He could have cycled the same way home that Joanna used, via the main roads Park St and then the triangle, past the students union and Victoria Park in Clifton, but where Joanna turned left into Regent St to go to bargain booze, he would have turned right, continued straight up Regent St to Christchurch and Canynge Rd is opposite.

But it appears VT liked a challenge and at the top of Park St he turned left into Jacobs Wells Rd and avoided the triangle. That is the only bit of this journey that's downhill. Then he gets to Constitution Hill, which was originally built for horse and carts, it is/was used as the hill stop in car tests because it's so steep and windey, its purely residential so on the pavement there would still have been lumps of snow and ice, we also had black ice the night of the 17th. At the top he would have been at the beginning of Regent St which again is residential apart from the Chesterfield Hospital (private).

IMO mrswah from there this obviously very fit man could have got home in 15 minutes probably 10.

[mrswah]

Well, according to Ann Reddrop, they had not "forgotten" about VT and the child images, but getting him to court was not an immediate priority, since he was already in prison.

At least, that is what was said, and it SOUNDS sensible-------but-----but------but--------------

[Leonora]

Well, according to Ann Reddrop, they had not "forgotten" about VT and the child images, but getting him to court was not an immediate priority, since he was already in prison.

At least, that is what was said, and it SOUNDS sensible-------but-----but------but--------------

Complex Case Crown Prosecutor Ann Reddrop's explanation doesn't even SOUND sensible - quite the contrary. Her own prosecuting barrister in court, Nigel Lickley, had made not two, not three, but FOUR applications in court to Judge Field for permission to lead evidence of "bad character", which the judge rejected on the basis that it was not sufficiently bad, when Mr Lickley could have saved the murder jury at least one day of deliberation by applying to show them the illegal images of child abuse, which, if REALLY found in the defendant's possession, would have left the jury in no doubt as to his BAD character.

[mrswah]

Complex Case Crown Prosecutor Ann Reddrop's explanation doesn't even SOUND sensible - quite the contrary. Her own prosecuting barrister in court, Nigel Lickley, had made not two, not three, but FOUR applications in court to Judge Field for permission to lead evidence of "bad character", which the judge rejected on the basis that it was not sufficiently bad, when Mr Lickley could have saved the murder jury at least one day of deliberation by applying to show them the illegal images of child abuse, which, if REALLY found in the defendant's possession, would have left the jury in no doubt as to his BAD character.

Yes, I always wondered why they didn't try VT for possession of indecent images at the same time as they were trying him for the murder of Jo. After all, the former is a crime. Watching porn isn't!

The police and the lawyers must have known, well before the trial began, that VT had indecent images of children on his computer------that is, if he really did have them! The fact that they did not try him for this too, suggests that he didn't have them--------IMO, of course.

By the way, Nina, I believe, from reading back, that VT left work at around 6pm on Friday 17th, arriving at Bristol Temple Meads shortly after 6.30, from where he cycled home.

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I could have put this on old old reports of the case ... But the information come from the end of trial really...

The case began as a missing-person inquiry, made more poignant and newsworthy because the young woman had disappeared during the festive period.

Just a reminder........ Then

On Christmas Eve, Detective Constable Karen Thomas, a member of the police's major crime investigation team, spoke to Tabak by telephone about his movements on the night of Yeates's disappearance. He told her he was in all evening before driving in the early hours of the morning to pick up Morson after a work party.

Now it was the.... MCIT team member bit that got my attention....  Which when you put that into google for Avon and somerset Police you don't get a result... check attached Image....

But then I got this instead .....

Our Major Crime Review Team (MCRT) started out as a cold case unit in about 2006, and was set-up to see if advancements in DNA techniques and a fresh set of eyes could solve some of the Force’s unsolved cases.

Which really is the name for the MICT I believe.... So that slight change in A letter... completely changes the context of what was going on early in The Investigation into Joanna Yeates disappearance....(IMO)


We remember that it was DS Mark Saunders whom first popped his head above the wall to tell us in a "Police Conference/Interview .. that they were looking for "A Missing Person" Joanna Yeates...  But I am now wondering if they really believe she was "Missing" or they knew she was already dead !!!

Because... DS Mark Saunders gives a videoed Interview about the MCRT (Det Supt Mark Saunders explains the role of the Major Crime Review Team)  Image attached... He explains the role of the MCRT...

Now that got me thinking.... If DS mark Saunders is the head of or runs MCRT... Then what on earth was he doing hold a "Press Conference " on A Missing Persons Inquiry???

We only see him once if I remember correctly...

So did Mark Saunders send Karen Thomas to Holland??? I know DCI Phil Jones says it was himself on a video years later... But I'm asking the question again????

Was it D/Supt Mark Saunders who went to Holland with DS Karen Thomas ?? 

I find this Interesting... because   

“We influence policies on how cases should be reviewed, we review standards of crime investigations and we examine current cases of rape, murder and homicide where there isn’t a suspect within a set time period, to see if we can come up with new leads.

The role is to solve Rapes, Murder, and Old Cold Cases .... which leaves you with what..... ???

A big FAT QUESTION... as to why D/Supt Mark Saunders was involved with the Joanna Yeates Case in the first place ... As at the time of the Press Conference ...she was simple a supposed "Missing Person"....

Certain Interviews are starting to make sense to me....  Did the Police already know that Joanna Yeates was dead???


Edit.... BUT when you search for MCRT you get image 4




Watch these video go missing!! As the third image states that it is not listed on youtube...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/28/joanna-yeates-case-vincent-tabak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3rYBv_gApM

https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/newsroom/features/teams-bid-to-unravel-forces-unsolved-rape-and-murder-cases/

[Leonora]

Until today, I had believed that D/Supt Mark Saunders was made the spokesman for "Operation Braid" solely on account of his reassuring manner and his West Country brogue, but now I learn that he was already a major player in the investigation of serious crimes. Well might one ask - why was he involved at all in the disappearance of a young newly qualified landscape architect? Anyone could work out that she could merely have got bored after her boyfriend had so inconsiderately gone gallivanting without her for the weekend. She evidently said as much to her colleagues at the Ram. He thought she was "doing fun things" when she didn't show up.

I set much greater store than the rest of you ladies and gentlemen by the secret contents of Christopher Jefferies's 2nd witness statement. This cannot, however, have been the catalyst that precipitated Mark Saunders into the hot seat - it was the other way round. Mr Jefferies saw the appeal from the parents, chaired by D/Supt Saunders, and then reached for his telephone. Why is it still secret? Well might one ask.

I myself never saw the video of Greg Reardon that evidently was removed from the internet - after Mark Saunders had read Mr Jefferies's 2nd witness statement. However, Greg Reardon's words and feelings were reproduced vebatim in many of the news media that day, and were still there last time I looked. So they are not really lost.

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Until today, I had believed that D/Supt Mark Saunders was made the spokesman for "Operation Braid" solely on account of his reassuring manner and his West Country brogue, but now I learn that he was already a major player in the investigation of serious crimes. Well might one ask - why was he involved at all in the disappearance of a young newly qualified landscape architect? Anyone could work out that she could merely have got bored after her boyfriend had so inconsiderately gone gallivanting without her for the weekend. She evidently said as much to her colleagues at the Ram. He thought she was "doing fun things" when she didn't show up.

I set much greater store than the rest of you ladies and gentlemen by the secret contents of Christopher Jefferies's 2nd witness statement. This cannot, however, have been the catalyst that precipitated Mark Saunders into the hot seat - it was the other way round. Mr Jefferies saw the appeal from the parents, chaired by D/Supt Saunders, and then reached for his telephone. Why is it still secret? Well might one ask.

I myself never saw the video of Greg Reardon that evidently was removed from the internet - after Mark Saunders had read Mr Jefferies's 2nd witness statement. However, Greg Reardon's words and feelings were reproduced vebatim in many of the news media that day, and were still there last time I looked. So they are not really lost.

I'm alway wondering if they really knew she was kidnapped... That's the other possibility for MCRT's involvement I would imagine...

Joanna Yeates parents always believed she had been abducted....  well... did they know this for sure ??

The video has been edited ... But still everyones reactions are telling....(IMO)

Do "Missing Person's Enquiries get given "Police" Operation names less than 48 hours after a Missing Person report..

By the 22nd December 2010 ...

Anyone with information is urged to contact police on 0845456 7000 quoting Operation Braid or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

I can't find his words verbatim...leonora




http://swns.com/news/last-person-to-speak-to-joanna-yeates-tells-of-missing-bristol-womans-christmas-plans-12636/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/8219528/Family-appeal-for-missing-Bristol-woman.html

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In June 2010... According to this request D/Supt Mark Saunders was: Head of Crime Standards.. what ever that is????

Crown Prosecution Service
- The force legal department
- Head of Crime Standards DS Mark Saunders

Of course this guy got his request denied also... Funny That..

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/brian_brady_correspondence

[Leonora]

I can't find his words verbatim...leonora

The boyfriend of missing architect Jo Yeates fought back tears yesterday as he said: ‘I desperately want her back – I thought we would be together for ever.’ Greg Reardon, 27, told of his despair after returning to their flat on Sunday evening following a weekend away and finding her gone. ‘She was my future,’ he said. ‘This Christmas was going to be our first together. I was going to stay with her family, which is always a big deal for a boyfriend.’

‘On Sunday night I came home at about 8pm after staying with my family in Sheffield, but Jo wasn’t home.
‘Over the weekend I had tried calling and texting her and didn’t have a reply, but Jo didn’t always reply so it wasn’t completely out of character.

‘Then when I arrived home it was obvious our cat had been left on his own and was going mad. I waited up for her until about midnight and then when she didn’t return I started to get really worried.
‘I went through her bag, which she had left on the table and found it had all the stuff she would need to take with her, things like her purse and her keys.
‘I called the police and reported her missing and also phoned her parents. Since then I haven’t slept much.
‘I’m constantly on the internet trying to raise awareness on Facebook and some of her friends from Hampshire have even come up to Bristol to put up missing posters.’
He continued: ‘She was the first ever girlfriend I moved in with. Recently we moved in to a really nice flat together in probably the best area of Bristol.

‘It’s our second place together and things felt like they were really falling into place. We were both really happy in our jobs – we worked together and that’s how we met.
‘We’ve had our cat, Bernard, for about a year, since he was a kitten, and he means the world to us. Things were set for us.
‘We were going to stay with her parents for about a week over Christmas then head up to Scotland for Hogmanay.
‘She was really looking forward to Christmas. We had put up a tree and she was due to bake some mince pies.
‘We celebrated our second anniversary on December 11 and I took her out for dinner – it was perfect.’

‘A big moment in our relationship was early on when the two of us went to the Isle of Wight music festival. It went so well that we knew it was something special.

‘This summer we borrowed Jo’s mum’s campervan and went on a week-long tour of Cornwall and had an absolutely amazing holiday, surfing on the beaches together.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340586/Boyfriend-missing-architect-Jo-Yeates-sobs-I-want-Christmas.html

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The boyfriend of missing architect Jo Yeates fought back tears yesterday as he said: ‘I desperately want her back – I thought we would be together for ever.’ Greg Reardon, 27, told of his despair after returning to their flat on Sunday evening following a weekend away and finding her gone. ‘She was my future,’ he said. ‘This Christmas was going to be our first together. I was going to stay with her family, which is always a big deal for a boyfriend.’

‘On Sunday night I came home at about 8pm after staying with my family in Sheffield, but Jo wasn’t home.
‘Over the weekend I had tried calling and texting her and didn’t have a reply, but Jo didn’t always reply so it wasn’t completely out of character.

‘Then when I arrived home it was obvious our cat had been left on his own and was going mad. I waited up for her until about midnight and then when she didn’t return I started to get really worried.
‘I went through her bag, which she had left on the table and found it had all the stuff she would need to take with her, things like her purse and her keys.
‘I called the police and reported her missing and also phoned her parents. Since then I haven’t slept much.
‘I’m constantly on the internet trying to raise awareness on Facebook and some of her friends from Hampshire have even come up to Bristol to put up missing posters.’
He continued: ‘She was the first ever girlfriend I moved in with. Recently we moved in to a really nice flat together in probably the best area of Bristol.

‘It’s our second place together and things felt like they were really falling into place. We were both really happy in our jobs – we worked together and that’s how we met.
‘We’ve had our cat, Bernard, for about a year, since he was a kitten, and he means the world to us. Things were set for us.
‘We were going to stay with her parents for about a week over Christmas then head up to Scotland for Hogmanay.
‘She was really looking forward to Christmas. We had put up a tree and she was due to bake some mince pies.
‘We celebrated our second anniversary on December 11 and I took her out for dinner – it was perfect.’

‘A big moment in our relationship was early on when the two of us went to the Isle of Wight music festival. It went so well that we knew it was something special.

‘This summer we borrowed Jo’s mum’s campervan and went on a week-long tour of Cornwall and had an absolutely amazing holiday, surfing on the beaches together.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340586/Boyfriend-missing-architect-Jo-Yeates-sobs-I-want-Christmas.html

Cheers for that leonora.... There are things I would like to comment on, but won't at the moment... I'm about to go back to the "Manslughter"!!!

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I've just realised I made a great error... Too much information going around my head...

Tanja Nickson.. is The Forensic Scientist  and Not The Power Point Expert.... who is Lyndsey Farmery ...

So I have tried to find my posts to edit my error... I will continue to edit the posts I have made this error with... See If I can find them.....

Apologies!!

Think a break may suit me.... !!

[nina]

Lyndsey Farmery is an`internet use analyst' who assisted the police with the investigation..... apparently.

[John]

Given the amount of thread cleaning which has been required recently, posters should ensure that their comments are relevant to the thread they intend to post on.  A single comment can take a thread off at a tangent so please bear this in mind.

Your cooperation is greatly appreciated.

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Lyndsey Farmery is an`internet use analyst' who assisted the police with the investigation..... apparently.

Nina... I don't really understand your comment... I have learnt that this is a forum and forums in general have people who are not on the same page...

You have appeared to have waited years to post... Having joined in 2014.. And have only posted on this thread and topics on Dr Vincent Tabak...

I find that strange...

I am not progressing here... I feel that something odd is going on... Makes me feel uncomfortable... 

My view will not change... I believe Dr Vincent Tabak is innocent... And 9 times out of 10... I just talk to myself on these threads..

I am of the belief that someone is pulling my donkeys.... Don't know why but... Various things that have happened over the months of posting bring me to that conclusion....

Many people on forums have their own agenda... Mine was simple... Show the discrepencies in the Case against Dr Vincent Tabak... I believe I have gone a long way to show that...

Think unless I find something new.. there is not a lot else I can say......