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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #105 on: April 03, 2019, 05:21:37 PM »
Is there any refuteble evidence either the SY or more importantly the PJ have reached a different conclusion.

I believe both have said Maddie may still be alive... So that doesn't say much Re the alerts.. The PJ have said no evidence against the McCann's so again that negatesboth of the above as being evidence

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #106 on: April 03, 2019, 05:27:26 PM »
It's nothing to do with the PJ at all. Sometimes a story just doesn't ring true. Were people really expected to believe that that a couple wemt out and left their kids home alone five nights in succession? That they didn't even lock the doors? How on earth are they going to live with the guilt and sorrow? Quite well, apparently.


Oh For God’s Sake.  This is a perfect example of hateful propaganda.  Well done for illustrating the point perfectly.
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Offline barrier

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #107 on: April 03, 2019, 05:40:05 PM »
I believe both have said Maddie may still be alive... So that doesn't say much Re the alerts.. The PJ have said no evidence against the McCann's so again that negatesboth of the above as being evidence

There again they have both said they have no evidence she may be alive,so that may say a lot about the alerts.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #108 on: April 03, 2019, 06:32:44 PM »
Oh For God’s Sake.  This is a perfect example of hateful propaganda.  Well done for illustrating the point perfectly.

My purpose in showing that photograph is not to persuade but to explain. I accept that some are of the opinion that they were seeing a couple hiding desperation, guilt, overwhelming despair and broken hearts behind a brave smile,  but ithers were astonished and began to wonder. Wondering isn't hateful it's a natural reaction to something the viewer finds inexplicable.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #109 on: April 03, 2019, 07:07:48 PM »
My purpose in showing that photograph is not to persuade but to explain. I accept that some are of the opinion that they were seeing a couple hiding desperation, guilt, overwhelming despair and broken hearts behind a brave smile,  but ithers were astonished and began to wonder. Wondering isn't hateful it's a natural reaction to something the viewer finds inexplicable.
What is quite wrong and hateful (IMO) about the photo is not the McCanns smiling broadly in it but the fact that it represents one fleeting moment of probably no more than 2 seconds of their time outside that church that has been used by people like you trying to make out that the McCanns were happy an completely carefree in the face of their child's disappearance.  How else could you describe the actions of those (like yourself) who keep using this picture as evidence when it shows nothing more than a second in time taken completely out of context?  Why do you do it?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #110 on: April 03, 2019, 07:28:36 PM »
It's nothing to do with the PJ at all. Sometimes a story just doesn't ring true. Were people really expected to believe that that a couple wemt out and left their kids home alone five nights in succession? That they didn't even lock the doors? How on earth are they going to live with the guilt and sorrow? Quite well, apparently.



If this makes you disbelieve the McCann's I think your logic is poor.  I posted two photos a year a two ago of a young lady.. Teenager I think.... At her family's funeral.  Bothe her parents and three siblings had been murdered the week before... One photo showed her smiling broadly and another showed her in absolute bits... The McCann's being captured smiling is nothing unusual in the circumstances


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have  alook at the images...does your explanation for her smiling broadly mean we should doubt her account of the murder

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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #111 on: April 03, 2019, 07:43:32 PM »
cassidy at her families funeral

Offline Brietta

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #112 on: April 03, 2019, 07:49:39 PM »
My purpose in showing that photograph is not to persuade but to explain. I accept that some are of the opinion that they were seeing a couple hiding desperation, guilt, overwhelming despair and broken hearts behind a brave smile,  but ithers were astonished and began to wonder. Wondering isn't hateful it's a natural reaction to something the viewer finds inexplicable.
I doubt very much if there could be a clearer example of belief propped up of necessity by propaganda as sceptics leapt on a frame from a video and promoted it.  Very much as it continues to be promoted twelve years down the line.

It is a perfect example showing the actual fragility of the sceptic beliefs that they exist and work only through avid proselyting however meaningless and trivial.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #113 on: April 03, 2019, 07:53:37 PM »
Your post epitomises the sceptic propensity to dwell in the comfort zone of past belief while totally ignoring any evidence which proves the contrary.

The final police report records that Mr Smith's statement was mistaken because it was impossible for the man he saw to be Gerry McCann ... and considering that Mr Smith asserts in his statement to the police that he would be unable to identify the man he saw anyway ... don't you think it odd you are repeating a misidentification which was proved to be false?
Proving sceptic belief defies evidence which contradicts it.

Things have moved on since 2008.

"The last at 21:51, when Kate, Madeleine's mother goes to the apartment, before alerting to the disappearance."

Smith family left Kelly's bar at 22:00

What was impossible?

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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #114 on: April 03, 2019, 07:59:42 PM »
Things have moved on since 2008.

"The last at 21:51, when Kate, Madeleine's mother goes to the apartment, before alerting to the disappearance."

Smith family left Kelly's bar at 22:00

What was impossible?

If you haven't already ... allow me to recommend you read the PJ Final Report and the Archiving Dispatch.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #115 on: April 03, 2019, 08:06:15 PM »
Things have moved on since 2008.

DCI Redwood said: “The timeline we have now established has given new significance to sightings and movements of people in and around Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance.

“Our work to date has significantly changed the timeline and the accepted version of events that has been in the public domain to date.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/madeleine-mccann-crimewatch-reconstruction-police-2368670
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #116 on: April 03, 2019, 08:51:37 PM »
What is quite wrong and hateful (IMO) about the photo is not the McCanns smiling broadly in it but the fact that it represents one fleeting moment of probably no more than 2 seconds of their time outside that church that has been used by people like you trying to make out that the McCanns were happy an completely carefree in the face of their child's disappearance.  How else could you describe the actions of those (like yourself) who keep using this picture as evidence when it shows nothing more than a second in time taken completely out of context?  Why do you do it?

I'm attempting to demonstrate why people began to wonder about the McCanns without any input by the PJ. I'm doing it because some people seem to believe that no-one would have doubted them if ir wasn't for the PJ. That isn't true.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #117 on: April 03, 2019, 09:01:09 PM »
I'm attempting to demonstrate why people began to wonder about the McCanns without any input by the PJ. I'm doing it because some people seem to believe that no-one would have doubted them if ir wasn't for the PJ. That isn't true.
Are you attempting to demonstrate how blatant anti McCann propaganda influenced people’s attitudes towards the McCanns, because if so you’ve certainly been successful doing that but that is all.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #118 on: April 03, 2019, 09:10:35 PM »
I'm attempting to demonstrate why people began to wonder about the McCanns without any input by the PJ. I'm doing it because some people seem to believe that no-one would have doubted them if ir wasn't for the PJ. That isn't true.

I suspected the McCanns as far back as the evening of May 4th 2007 (before the PJ leaked or a dog had barked) when Gerry read a statement & Kate couldn't get any tears to come out of her eyes. I remember watching & thinking 'they look iffy' . Then later, as the investigation progressed, I knew they dunnit.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #119 on: April 03, 2019, 09:20:28 PM »
Are you attempting to demonstrate how blatant anti McCann propaganda influenced people’s attitudes towards the McCanns, because if so you’ve certainly been successful doing that but that is all.

Why do you see what I have posted as propaganda? By whom? Those reporting on the disappearance in the first 12 days after Madeleine's disappearance? People watched, listened and drew their own conclusions.
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