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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: Mr Gray on September 19, 2013, 10:24:58 PM
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neither the Uk or Portuguese press are interested in this trial
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neither the Uk or Portuguese press are interested in this trial
Tomorrows Express, Davel.
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fantasic
its easy to see the express are very supportive of the McCanns, whilst some idiots post they are just waiting to get there money back
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fantasic
its easy to see the express are very supportive of the McCanns, whilst some idiots post they are just waiting to get there money back
Not checked the Portuguese press yet, but there was enough reporters there!
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fantasic
its easy to see the express are very supportive of the McCanns, whilst some idiots post they are just waiting to get there money back
You think? >@@(*&)
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I think they know spin when they see it. Nobody's more cynical than newspaper folk.
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You think? >@@(*&)
Wrongly accused...smear campaign,,,sounds pretty supportive
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neither the Uk or Portuguese press are interested in this trial
Oh I dont know, it seems alot of papers are printing todays proceedings, you only have to google, Mail, Telegraph, Mirror, Express, bunch of others... you also learn something new every day, this from the wondrous Daily Mail journo Gerard Couzens
Police chief claimed the McCanns hid their daughter's body after a car crash
Oh really Mr Couzons? Do furnish us with the details. Or is it your reporting is some kind of car crash?
And then he goes on....
Around 120,000 copies of the book were sold before it was withdrawn when the McCanns won an injection against him.
Was it a lethal one? Did they consider using it?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2425551/Kate-McCann-came-close-suicide-Portuguese-police-chiefs-smear-campaign.html
oops he forgot to say after the book was withdrawn the injection was reversed
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Oh I dont know, it seems alot of papers are printing todays proceedings, you only have to google, Mail, Telegraph, Mirror, Express, bunch of others... you also learn something new every day, this from the wondrous Daily Mail journo Gerard Couzens
Police chief claimed the McCanns hid their daughter's body after a car crash
Oh really Mr Couzons? Do furnish us with the details.
And then he goes on....
Around 120,000 copies of the book were sold before it was withdrawn when the McCanns won an injection against him.
Was it a lethal one? Did they consider using it?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2425551/Kate-McCann-came-close-suicide-Portuguese-police-chiefs-smear-campaign.html
oops he forgot to say after the book was withdrawn the injection was reversed
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I think its looking good for the MCanns ...Forca the McCanns
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Injection? Oh dear 8()-000(
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Let's hope the twins don't see this one. It's not one among many sightings, it's danger concerning their mum, all what the expert witness David Trickey said would be a trauma for them.
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Injection? Oh dear 8()-000(
its taken you six years to realise you cannot believe what you read in the papers
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its taken you six years to realise you cannot believe what you read 9in the papers
Don't worry davel, I stopped doing that in 1982. ?>)()<
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I think its looking good for the MCanns ...Forca the McCanns
You mean by some journo making a total prat of himself? Ok then
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Let's hope the twins don't see this one. It's not one among many sightings, it's danger concerning their mum, all what the expert witness David Trickey said would be a trauma for them.
All it takes for the twins to stop seeing anything is for amaral to stop spewing his lies
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All it takes for the twins to stop seeing anything is for amaral to stop spewing his lies
Oh dear....
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-kate-close-suicide-2286831
Madeleine McCann: Mum Kate close to killing herself over 'smear campaign'
20 Sep 2013 00:00
A British psychologist who counselled the mum told a court she had “dark thoughts” after Goncalo Amaral’s shocking book
Devastated Kate McCann considered suicide after a police chief claimed she covered up Madeleine’s death.
Psychologist Alan Pike helped the mum and yesterday told a court she had “dark thoughts”.
She told him there were times she was “so incensed she couldn’t get through each day”.
Kate and husband Gerry are suing shamed detective Goncalo Amaral, who should have been looking for missing three-year-old Madeleine instead of making the shock claims, described at the court in capital Lisbon as a “smear campaign”.
British Mr Pike told judges yesterday that he had been helping the McCanns, both 45, since Madeleine’s disappearance on the Algarve on May 3, 2007.
He said: “Kate thought about not being around anymore. She referred to killing herself as an option to end the trauma.
"I deduced it was an indicator of how she felt rather that something she intended to do. Kate wasn’t well and she shared very dark thoughts.”
Amaral’s book Maddie: The Truth of The Lie accused Kate of staging her daughter’s disappearance, despite no evidence.
He claimed Madeleine had not been abducted but died in an accident and the McCanns hid her body.
He also suggested the couple cashed in on £2million of public donations.
It was published in 2008, three days after the McCanns – made suspects over their daughter’s disappearance – had their status as “arguidos” lifted.
The book was withdrawn after they got an injunction. The McCanns, of Rothley, Leics, have campaigned tirelessly to keep Madeleine in the headlines.
Mr Pike said of Kate: “She spent days sobbing about the injustice done to Madeleine by the very people who ought to have been helping her.
"There were times she felt so incensed by Amaral she couldn’t get through each day with the panic and anguish she felt.”
The couple are suing sacked Amaral, 56, in a £1million libel case. They are also suing his publishers and a TV station.
Amaral denies defamation and said everything in his book was already made public in police files. The case continues.
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amarals not 56
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How many things can the papers get wrong
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Blimey.
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amarals not 56
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How many things can the papers get wrong
He is in a couple of weeks!
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He is in a couple of weeks!
Is he? He was born in 1959
Do the sums and his big 50th birthday bash was in 2009
Keep up DCI
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Is he? He was born in 1959
Do the sums and his big 50th birthday bash was in 2009
Keep up DCI
So, send him a card and give it a kiss @)(++(*
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So, send him a card and give it a kiss @)(++(*
Point was the reporter and you were wrong, just pointing it out
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as was the other reporter, maddie was killed in car crash it was claimed LoooooL, Ignorant saddos
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Blimey.
Bet the oversaturation of this story week month year in and out wi all the nonsense might make readers want to top themselves too!
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Makes you realise how lucky we are to have a purely factual report every day, courtesy of Anne and John
No 'spin' ... no 'sensationalism' ... just the facts 8(>((
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Oh I dont know, it seems alot of papers are printing todays proceedings, you only have to google, Mail, Telegraph, Mirror, Express, bunch of others... you also learn something new every day, this from the wondrous Daily Mail journo Gerard Couzens
Police chief claimed the McCanns hid their daughter's body after a car crash
Oh really Mr Couzons? Do furnish us with the details. Or is it your reporting is some kind of car crash?
And then he goes on....
Around 120,000 copies of the book were sold before it was withdrawn when the McCanns won an injection against him.
Was it a lethal one? Did they consider using it?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2425551/Kate-McCann-came-close-suicide-Portuguese-police-chiefs-smear-campaign.html
oops he forgot to say after the book was withdrawn the injection was reversed
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This is the most hilarious article I've ever read among the shittiest ones that the UK press has produced along these years.
It's a bad google translation made into an article - good buy (I meant Bye, must have been a freudian slip) reporting or investigative journalism.
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This is the most hilarious article I've ever read among the shittiest ones that the UK press has produced along these years.
It's a bad google translation made into an article - good buy (I meant Bye, must have been a freudian slip) reporting or investigative journalism.
I know so hilarious but sad and totally unprofessional
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Point was the reporter and you were wrong, just pointing it out
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as was the other reporter, maddie was killed in car crash it was claimed LoooooL, Ignorant saddos
CAR crash? Where did you get that from Red?
Have I missed something?
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More insanity...
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More insanity...
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Couldn't agree more Lyall. 8((()*/
Absolute insanity to make such evil threats
How worried / paranoid kate and Gerry must have been to receive a threat like that.
Such cruel people about. . Barstewards
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I don't think so Sadie. There's no mention of it in their book, and it's not like them to miss an opportunity is it. Be honest 8(0(*
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It was just twits (in this instance just one I think) on a forum, who'd doubtless struggle to kidnap a bottle of milk.
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Couldn't agree more Lyall. 8((()*/
Absolute insanity to make such evil threats
How worried / paranoid kate and Gerry must have been to receive a threat like that.
Such cruel people about. . Barstewards
8-)(--) internet fruitloops why threaten to kidnap 2 innocent children just to get to their parents who are innocent until proven guilty ...
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Lots of sick people on the Internet. 8((()*/
Lots of sick people everywhere Neeley, but it only takes one nutter to give the rest a bad name. 8(0(*
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What has this got to do with Amaral ?
Was this website/forum set up as a consequence of his book ? ... or was it already in existance before his book was published ?
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What has this got to do with Amaral ?
Was this website/forum set up as a consequence of his book ? ... or was it already in existance before his book was published ?
oh stop moaning you don't like it don't read it ..the title of the thread is "The libel trial...what the papers are reporting."
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What has this got to do with Amaral ?
Was this website/forum set up as a consequence of his book ? ... or was it already in existance before his book was published ?
I agree Icabodcrane, Amaral is being blamed for just about everything but little or no mention of all the other authors who have sold books based on the same hypothesis.
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oh stop moaning you don't like it don't read it ..the title of the thread is "The libel trial...what the papers are reporting."
point is if they are reporting CRAP or spinning in any way in this trial they will be taken up on it, as they should be,simple as that really
Welcome BTW
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oh stop moaning you don't like it don't read it ..the title of the thread is "The libel trial...what the papers are reporting."
You don't know the answer to the question I asked then ?
Well someone else might ... was this threat made as a consequence of Amaral's book, or was this forum actively 'anti' McCann before his book was published ?
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You don't know the answer to the question I asked then ?
Well someone else might ... was this threat made as a consequence of Amaral's book, or was this forum actively 'anti' McCann before his book was published ?
I believe the 3as was in existence some time before Amaral wrote his book Icabod.
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You don't know the answer to the question I asked then ?
Well someone else might ... was this threat made as a consequence of Amaral's book, or was this forum actively 'anti' McCann before his book was published ?
Extremely unlikely and the mccanns have no way on this earth to prove this unless the alledged poster said so
Sad barrel scrapers for a million quid
See my post no 11 on this thread
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2299.0
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I believe the 3as was in existence some time before Amaral wrote his book Icabod.
Well then I don't understand why this threat was brought up in the libel trial
The implication was that Amaral's book had provoked it ... but what evidence is there to support that ?
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I believe the 3as was in existence some time before Amaral wrote his book Icabod.
Definitely 8((()*/
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I have the advantage of the evidence Report at the moment, Mr Pike went into quite a bit of detail on Thursday about the great depths to which Kate had sunk, depths which required Gerry to take time off work to care for her at home as she contemplated suicide. It seems that she was very much concerned that her friends would turn against her and Gerry like so many others were beginning to do. She felt their version of events was now under dire scrutiny in the UK following the publication of Goncalo's book.
When Kate watched the film, AP remembers she was yet more devastated. He says this was the secondary trauma. This secondary trauma is sometimes more violent, more rooted and more extreme than the original trauma. It is more difficult to cope with it.
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Well then I don't understand why this threat was brought up in the libel trial
The implication was that Amaral's book had provoked it ... but what evidence is there to support that ?
NONE
just like everything else in this vexatious litigation IMO
I will eat my hat if they produce evidence LOL!!!! Barrel scrapers
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Well then I don't understand why this threat was brought up in the libel trial
The implication was that Amaral's book had provoked it ... but what evidence is there to support that ?
They know very well Mr Amaral's book was tame compared to what a great many on the forums were discussing because of the action they took against T Bennett - his booklet was a lot more extreme.
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It was just twits (in this instance just one I think) on a forum, who'd doubtless struggle to kidnap a bottle of milk.
Lol !
If the chat existed it was surely highly sarcastic ! Can you imagine yourself kidnapping a 4 yrs old, the lot of trouble it would be !
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Extremely unlikely and the mccanns have no way on this earth to prove this unless the alledged poster said so
Sad barrel scrapers for a million quid
See my post no 11 on this thread
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2299.0
who actually said it was a poster ? the mccanns got hate mail and threats to kill them long or kidnap before amarol's comic.
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She felt their version of events was now under dire scrutiny in the UK following the publication of Goncalo's book.
A book saying Madeleine accidentally died and her body was disposed of would embarrass either a person deeply related to Madeleine who witnessed this or a totally innocent person related to Madeleine. The problem is to discriminate between the two..
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who actually said it was a poster ? the mccanns got hate mail and threats to kill them long or kidnap before amarol's comic.
Are you incapable of reading or something? It was reported it was a poster on the forum three arguidos, do keep up but bless your little cotton socks anyway
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If people found dead by hanging, water, etc. had been able to say "should I take my life ?", they wouldn't have died this way.
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how rude!!
you might be still in your little cotton socks honey but im certainly not ..now trot off to bed its way past your bed time ta ta
So no joy on your post then? ie educating yourself by READING and finding it WAS said it was an internet poster? or dont you know WHERE to read? Oh well people in denial are funny
From the telegraph but also other papers havr printed similar, sigh
Michael Wright monitored internet activity after Madeleine was abducted from a holiday apartment in Portugal and said forums exploded after Goncalo Amaral, a former policeman and head of the investigation, published his book The Truth of the Lie.
He told the court: “There were several instances of inciting forum members to abduct one of the twins as they felt they could throw some light on what had happened. On the ‘The 3 Arguidos’ forum there was a thread of great length where one member was suggesting that someone should abduct Sean or Amelie as they would be able to confirm Mr Amaral’s theory.”
Never mind his testimony is utter bollocks anyway
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Think a little deeper Lyall. What's it got to do with any book?
It's relevant to the book because the book mentions their online critics, as they have also done numerous times in interviews. Yet neither in the book, or in those interviews, has this 'plot' ever been mentioned previously.
This suggests it wasn't actually taken seriously at the time.
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Did that 8)-))) Even if we ever agree on anything to do with the disappearance, we'll never agree on the integrity of Madeleine's parents.
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Did that 8)-))) Even if we ever agree on anything to do with the disappearance, we'll never agree on the integrity of Madeleine's parents.
They dont have any
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It's relevant to the book because the book mentions their online critics, as they have also done numerous times in interviews. Yet neither in the book, or in those interviews, has this 'plot' ever been mentioned previously.
This suggests it wasn't actually taken seriously at the time.
Have you ever considered that at that time it might have been too distressing to talk about?
You are such insensitive people. You dismay me.
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If the matter was reported to the police then we can safely assume that the police took action and there was resolution
Did Michael Wright say anything about that ? ... did he say what the police concluded regarding the threat made online ?
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If the matter was reported to the police then we can safely assume that the police took action and there was resolution
Did Michael Wright say anything about that ? ... did he say what the police concluded regarding the threat made online ?
if he doesnt come up with any evidence it will be chucked out of court
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It's relevant to the book because the book mentions their online critics, as they have also done numerous times in interviews. Yet neither in the book, or in those interviews, has this 'plot' ever been mentioned previously.
This suggests it wasn't actually taken seriously at the time.
To expand on that Lyall, neither in Kate's book nor at Leveson was the kidnap threat mentioned either. Strange eh !
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Did Michael Wright say anything about that ? ... did he say what the police concluded regarding the threat made online ?
He was asked if the guilty one was sued and said he didn't know... which certainly reveals how seriously they took the threat.
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He was asked if the guilty one was sued and said he didn't know... which certainly reveals how seriously they took the threat.
Do you have Micheal Wrights statement Anne?
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Do you have Micheal Wrights statement Anne?
I do, DCI. But I have first to write down Claudia Nogueira's statement.
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I do, DCI. But I have first to write down Claudia Nogueira's statement.
Thank you, I thought I had missed it 8((()*/
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From the testimony of Pike and other sources.
'GP asks again "are you a psychologist?"
AP says no.'
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'The judge (Maria Emília de Melo e Castro) is now asking
MC - Which strong negative feeling did Kate McCann report to you in the summer of 2009?
AP - She was afraid, she wished she wasn't there; she talked of killing herself as an option.
Kate McCann's mother spoke frankly yesterday about her fears for her daughter's health, saying: "I don't know how long she will hold on for . .. I don't know if any human can take such pressure." She told a Portuguese magazine: 'What mother would not go insane if they lost a child?" But the McCanns' spokesman was forced to deny that Mrs McCann was suicidal after the magazine headlined the article: "Kate's mother fears she will kill herself." Mrs Healy last night denied she ever thought her daughter would commit suicide, saying: "Although Kate is under the most immense pressure, she would never, ever contemplate ending her life, for two reasons. One, she still wants to find Madeleine and, two, for the sake of her other two children."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-490317/I-dont-know-long-hold-says-Kate-McCanns-anxious-mother.html
So in October 2007, when the pain of Madeleine's disappearance would have been at its most raw, Mrs Healy states categorically that Kate would most definitely NOT EVER contemplate killing herself. Yet Mr Pike has now claimed, UNDER OATH, that 2 years later Kate is actively considering suicide. '
Well,well, well. >@@(*&)
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From the testimony of Pike and other sources.
'GP asks again "are you a psychologist?"
AP says no.'
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'The judge (Maria Emília de Melo e Castro) is now asking
MC - Which strong negative feeling did Kate McCann report to you in the summer of 2009?
AP - She was afraid, she wished she wasn't there; she talked of killing herself as an option.
Kate McCann's mother spoke frankly yesterday about her fears for her daughter's health, saying: "I don't know how long she will hold on for . .. I don't know if any human can take such pressure." She told a Portuguese magazine: 'What mother would not go insane if they lost a child?" But the McCanns' spokesman was forced to deny that Mrs McCann was suicidal after the magazine headlined the article: "Kate's mother fears she will kill herself." Mrs Healy last night denied she ever thought her daughter would commit suicide, saying: "Although Kate is under the most immense pressure, she would never, ever contemplate ending her life, for two reasons. One, she still wants to find Madeleine and, two, for the sake of her other two children."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-490317/I-dont-know-long-hold-says-Kate-McCanns-anxious-mother.html
So in October 2007, when the pain of Madeleine's disappearance would have been at its most raw, Mrs Healy states categorically that Kate would most definitely NOT EVER contemplate killing herself. Yet Mr Pike has now claimed, UNDER OATH, that 2 years later Kate is actively considering suicide. '
Well,well, well. >@@(*&)
the thoughts of a traumatised person may vary from hour to hour, day to day week to week ,year to year. I wouldn't expect you to understand as you have no knowledge of psychology. What you are doing is quoting statements out of context
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Please keep discussions on track and relevant to the opening post. TY
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Going back to the opening post, in the Express front page article' which relates evidence given about Kate's suicidal feelings' Alan Pike is described as a 'British psychologist'
In court the lawyer for publishers, Guerra e Paz, was very exact in determining what Alan Pike's profession was. After some waffling about his credentials he ultimately admitted that, No, he was not a 'psychologist'
Given that this point was raised in court why did the Express report false information regarding Mr Pike and his professional status ?
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Going back to the opening post, in the Express front page article' which relates evidence given about Kate's suicidal feelings' Alan Pike is described as a 'British psychologist'
In court the lawyer for publishers, Guerra e Paz, was very exact in determining what Alan Pike's profession was. After some waffling about his credentials he ultimately admitted that, No, he was not a 'psychologist'
Given that this point was raised in court why did the Express report false information regarding Mr Pike and his professional status ?
In the grand scheme of recent glaring errors made by the press they could probably argue that this is quite a weeny one.
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What about what the Mccanns were reporting vis a vis the libel action?
From a SIC interview given 12 May 2009
Q. There's also been Gonçalo Amaral's book and at the time there was a lot of talk about possible legal charges bought up by you against Gonçalo Amaral. Are you still considering these legal charges against him?
Gerry McCann: We certainly haven't ruled it out. The reason we haven't done it to date is we didn't want to create... and I think there's been enough Anglo-Portuguese angst, particularly in the media and we certainly, errr... didn't want to exacerbate that but, you know, he clearly is getting, errr... more outrageous and we certainly wouldn't rule it out.
Kate McCann: At the same time, you know, it... it's a distraction, you know, what Mr Amaral is doing. I mean, it's... it's damaging to our search, errm... but at the same time, you know, we want to find Madeleine. We want to move forward and get new information and we don't want to be derailed by negative people who have their own agendas, you know, so...
Gerry McCann: That is... I mean, that's a very good point, you know; we don't want to look back, we are trying to do things, but it gets to the point, errr... where you just think: 'enough's enough'.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/05/mccanns-interview-to-sic.html
So how is Kate Mccann writing in her book Madeleine that conversations with their lawyer had been ongoing since November 2008, Gerry made a trip in January 2009 to see the lawyer about suing Amaral and by April 20 2009 they made the decision to sue!
Why was Gerry Mccann keeping the decision/legal action a secret?
Some quotes from kates book here
http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/kate-mccanns-deep-harted-for-goncalo.html
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It was just twits (in this instance just one I think) on a forum, who'd doubtless struggle to kidnap a bottle of milk.
I agree Lyall. If the comment about kidnapping one of the twins was ever made then I suspect it was one of those flippant remarks like the one made about the gun at Kate McCann's Marathon run (March 2013). One of those moments when a person thought it would be funny. Not my sense of humour but I have heard similar elsewhere.
After six years and hundreds perhaps thousands of people who believe Madeleine died in Praia da Luz all they could come up with was one dubious comment that could only be misconstrued as a 'death threat' by a very very long stretch of the imagination.
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I agree Lyall. If the comment about kidnapping one of the twins was ever made then I suspect it was one of those flippant remarks like the one made about the gun at Kate McCann's Marathon run (March 2013). One of those moments when a person thought it would be funny. Not my sense of humour but I have heard similar elsewhere.
After six years and hundreds perhaps thousands of people who believe Madeleine died in Praia da Luz all they could come up with was one dubious comment that could only be misconstrued as a 'death threat' by a very very long stretch of the imagination.
It scared Gerry McCann sufficiently that he notified the police - so a little bit more than a dubious or flippant comment, Jacinta.
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the thoughts of a traumatised person may vary from hour to hour, day to day week to week ,year to year. I wouldn't expect you to understand as you have no knowledge of psychology. What you are doing is quoting statements out of context
Incorrect.
Not out of context at all, but that is your usual excuse.
Are you perchance a psychologist ?
How do you know what Kate Mccann said is the truth ?
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After all she is not under oath as a witness in this case
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What about what the Mccanns were reporting vis a vis the libel action?
From a SIC interview given 12 May 2009
Q. There's also been Gonçalo Amaral's book and at the time there was a lot of talk about possible legal charges bought up by you against Gonçalo Amaral. Are you still considering these legal charges against him?
Gerry McCann: We certainly haven't ruled it out. The reason we haven't done it to date is we didn't want to create... and I think there's been enough Anglo-Portuguese angst, particularly in the media and we certainly, errr... didn't want to exacerbate that but, you know, he clearly is getting, errr... more outrageous and we certainly wouldn't rule it out.
Kate McCann: At the same time, you know, it... it's a distraction, you know, what Mr Amaral is doing. I mean, it's... it's damaging to our search, errm... but at the same time, you know, we want to find Madeleine. We want to move forward and get new information and we don't want to be derailed by negative people who have their own agendas, you know, so...
Gerry McCann: That is... I mean, that's a very good point, you know; we don't want to look back, we are trying to do things, but it gets to the point, errr... where you just think: 'enough's enough'.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/05/mccanns-interview-to-sic.html
So how is Kate Mccann writing in her book Madeleine that conversations with their lawyer had been ongoing since November 2008, Gerry made a trip in January 2009 to see the lawyer about suing Amaral and by April 20 2009 they made the decision to sue!
Why was Gerry Mccann keeping the decision/legal action a secret?
Some quotes from kates book here
http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/kate-mccanns-deep-harted-for-goncalo.html
Excellent find Red.
I'm afraid if this pair said it was raining I'd stick my hand out of the window just to check.
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It scared Gerry McCann sufficiently that he notified the police - so a little bit more than a dubious or flippant comment, Jacinta.
As anyone would under the circumstances especially if they didn't know the person behind the comment. Sorry Rachel, I didn't mean to sound so forward.
Jaci x
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As anyone would under the circumstances especially if they didn't know the person behind the comment. Sorry Rachel, I didn't mean to sound so forward.
Jaci x
Hey no need to apologise, Jacinta! Come join the debate, we don't bite (well not usually!). 8((()*/