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Title: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Admin on June 17, 2012, 02:19:06 AM
We came across this interesting piece on gay murders in London.



1989–1990: West London murders

Towards the end of 1989 and the start of 1990, there were a series of unsolved murders in west London over a period of six months.

In September 1989, Christopher Schliach, a barrister who was gay, was murdered in his home; he was stabbed more than 40 times. Three months later, Henry Bright, a hotelier who was gay, was also stabbed to death at his home. A month later, William Dalziel, a hotel porter who was gay, was found unconscious on a roadside in Acton, west London. He died from severe head injuries. Three months after this, actor Michael Boothe was murdered in west London (see below 2007 Met review).

In July 1990, following these murders, hundreds of lesbians and gay men marched from the park where Boothe had been killed to Ealing town hall and held a candlelit vigil.
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Joanne on June 17, 2012, 08:44:07 AM
Is/was KC and the sunshine band another Colin Ireland in the making?
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: AgentA on June 17, 2012, 10:55:08 AM
Is/was KC and the sunshine band another Colin Ireland in the making?



 8-)(--) he wouldnt answer questions even when asked !!! would be very interesting to find more out about these though  8(0(*
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: peteats on June 17, 2012, 11:22:57 AM
Is/was KC and the sunshine band another Colin Ireland in the making?

Is/was KC and the sunshine band another Colin Ireland in the making?

Should this not read..... K.C. and the BumShine band.. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: realtruth on June 17, 2012, 11:26:44 AM
Is/was KC and the sunshine band another Colin Ireland in the making?

Is/was KC and the sunshine band another Colin Ireland in the making?

Should this not read..... K.C. and the BumShine band.. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* LMHO @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: realtruth on June 17, 2012, 11:29:03 AM
Is/was KC and the sunshine band another Colin Ireland in the making?



 8-)(--) he wouldnt answer questions even when asked !!! would be very interesting to find more out about these though  8(0(*
Firstly,anyone know if they remain unsolved?
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Who is Kevin Cragie on June 17, 2012, 11:31:49 AM
We came across this interesting piece on gay murders in London.



1989–1990: West London murders

Towards the end of 1989 and the start of 1990, there were a series of unsolved murders in west London over a period of six months.

In September 1989, Christopher Schliach, a barrister who was gay, was murdered in his home; he was stabbed more than 40 times. Three months later, Henry Bright, a hotelier who was gay, was also stabbed to death at his home. A month later, William Dalziel, a hotel porter who was gay, was found unconscious on a roadside in Acton, west London. He died from severe head injuries. Three months after this, actor Michael Boothe was murdered in west London (see below 2007 Met review).

In July 1990, following these murders, hundreds of lesbians and gay men marched from the park where Boothe had been killed to Ealing town hall and held a candlelit vigil.

where was kevin at the time of these murders does anybody know?
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: realtruth on June 17, 2012, 11:34:40 AM
We came across this interesting piece on gay murders in London.



1989–1990: West London murders

Towards the end of 1989 and the start of 1990, there were a series of unsolved murders in west London over a period of six months. Interesting Q.

In September 1989, Christopher Schliach, a barrister who was gay, was murdered in his home; he was stabbed more than 40 times. Three months later, Henry Bright, a hotelier who was gay, was also stabbed to death at his home. A month later, William Dalziel, a hotel porter who was gay, was found unconscious on a roadside in Acton, west London. He died from severe head injuries. Three months after this, actor Michael Boothe was murdered in west London (see below 2007 Met review).

In July 1990, following these murders, hundreds of lesbians and gay men marched from the park where Boothe had been killed to Ealing town hall and held a candlelit vigil.

where was kevin at the time of these murders does anybody know?
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Hammer head on June 17, 2012, 02:10:28 PM
We came across this interesting piece on gay murders in London.



1989–1990: West London murders

Towards the end of 1989 and the start of 1990, there were a series of unsolved murders in west London over a period of six months.

In September 1989, Christopher Schliach, a barrister who was gay, was murdered in his home; he was stabbed more than 40 times. Three months later, Henry Bright, a hotelier who was gay, was also stabbed to death at his home. A month later, William Dalziel, a hotel porter who was gay, was found unconscious on a roadside in Acton, west London. He died from severe head injuries. Three months after this, actor Michael Boothe was murdered in west London (see below 2007 Met review).

In July 1990, following these murders, hundreds of lesbians and gay men marched from the park where Boothe had been killed to Ealing town hall and held a candlelit vigil.

where was kevin at the time of these murders does anybody know?

been reading news reports about some of these murders. still interested to know where KC was at the time.
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: AgentA on June 17, 2012, 03:45:28 PM
interesting this .......KC got away very lightly , don't you think ?

2006: first prosecution for homophobic murder

On the 14Th October 2005, London, Jody Dobrowski was beaten to death on Clapham Common by two men who perceived him as being gay; Dobrowski was beaten so badly he had to be identified by his fingerprints. Thomas Pickford and Scott Walker were given life sentences in what was described as a 'homophobic murder' in June 2006.[13] This was the first prosecution in England and Wales where Section 146 of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 was used in sentencing the killers; this enabled the courts to impose a tougher sentence for offenses motivated or aggravated by the victim's sexual orientation, in this case a minimum of 30 years in prison.[14]
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: John on June 17, 2012, 03:49:05 PM
interesting this .......KC got away very lightly , don't you think ?

2006: first prosecution for homophobic murder

On the 14Th October 2005, London, Jody Dobrowski was beaten to death on Clapham Common by two men who perceived him as being gay; Dobrowski was beaten so badly he had to be identified by his fingerprints. Thomas Pickford and Scott Walker were given life sentences in what was described as a 'homophobic murder' in June 2006.[13] This was the first prosecution in England and Wales where Section 146 of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 was used in sentencing the killers; this enabled the courts to impose a tougher sentence for offenses motivated or aggravated by the victim's sexual orientation, in this case a minimum of 30 years in prison.[14]

Ten years for a murder is light in anyone's book. 
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: peteats on June 17, 2012, 03:50:38 PM
In his statement to the probation officer Mark Fuller states they ( Fuller & Craigie ) had done this before. Perhaps Kevin would like to comment on this previous event, It would be in his best intrest to comment thus avoiding all the speculation  8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--)
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: AgentA on June 17, 2012, 03:59:09 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/14/gayrights.comment
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Who is Kevin Cragie on June 17, 2012, 04:11:09 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/14/gayrights.comment

So when, three months later, another gay man was brutally killed in west London, my world exploded. The death of the actor Michael Boothe was one of those events which, in its own small way, changed things forever.

Michael Boothe was a jobbing actor. He toured with Derek Nimmo, he did panto with Lorraine Chase and Michael Elphick, he did the occasional telly. You may have seen him in Dr Who. Michael was also gay. Everyone who knew Michael knew. His family knew. Even complete strangers knew.

On April 29 1990, a Saturday, Michael went out with a couple of gay friends. They spent much of the evening drinking in Earl's Court, before repairing to the Ealing home of one of the party. Around 12.15am, Michael embarked on the short walk home. His route took him past public toilets on the edge of Elthorne Park. These were then a well-known cottage or, in police-speak, "a meeting place for homosexuals". In the early months of 1990, police had been staking out the toilets, arresting gay men in unprecedented numbers. The night that Michael walked past, however, the police were nowhere to be seen.
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Who is Kevin Cragie on June 17, 2012, 04:13:48 PM
interesting this .......KC got away very lightly , don't you think ?

2006: first prosecution for homophobic murder

On the 14Th October 2005, London, Jody Dobrowski was beaten to death on Clapham Common by two men who perceived him as being gay; Dobrowski was beaten so badly he had to be identified by his fingerprints. Thomas Pickford and Scott Walker were given life sentences in what was described as a 'homophobic murder' in June 2006.[13] This was the first prosecution in England and Wales where Section 146 of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 was used in sentencing the killers; this enabled the courts to impose a tougher sentence for offenses motivated or aggravated by the victim's sexual orientation, in this case a minimum of 30 years in prison.[14]

Ten years for a murder is light in anyone's book.

does anyone else think Kevin was given a light sentence?
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Joanne on June 17, 2012, 04:27:15 PM
Yes because-:
1) They lured him into the situation,
2) They battered him,
3) They left him unconscious and never got him help,
4) They stole from his house and took his car and
5) They never admitted guilt and/or shown remorse.
If you broke each individual crime up and added the medium term for each offence, it would be a lot more than 10 years. It could be argued that it was a homophobic attack but I don't think 20 years ago the law determined it as that.
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Ronald McDonald on June 17, 2012, 04:41:08 PM
Yes because-:
1) They lured him into the situation,
2) They battered him,
3) They left him unconscious and never got him help,
4) They stole from his house and took his car and
5) They never admitted guilt and/or shown remorse.
If you broke each individual crime up and added the medium term for each offence, it would be a lot more than 10 years. It could be argued that it was a homophobic attack but I don't think 20 years ago the law determined it as that.

KC is heading back down the same road from which he came or/unless hes always been on the same road  8(8-))

With help from the mighty KT human rights campaigner extrodinaire I'd say he is well and truly fooked  @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: AgentA on June 17, 2012, 04:54:10 PM
the article i posted earlier show the first homophobic prosecution was 2006 ..but it doesn't mean that this was not one ...just sentencing guidelines differed ..if that law was in force at the time..KC would still be in prison now
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: peteats on June 17, 2012, 05:49:01 PM
So does anybody know when Kevin landed in London prior to the Rothwell Murder. Is there a Trail of this type of offence. When did he actually leave Scotland, where did he visit on route, were there any similar crimes committed around this time in other parts of the country. Perhaps Kevin could let us know his timeline.  8)-))) 8)-))) 8)-)))
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Troll patrol on June 17, 2012, 05:52:37 PM
So does anybody know when Kevin landed in London prior to the Rothwell Murder. Is there a Trail of this type of offence. When did he actually leave Scotland, where did he visit on route, were there any similar crimes committed around this time in other parts of the country. Perhaps Kevin could let us know his timeline.  8)-))) 8)-))) 8)-)))

Kevin has a history of pretending to be places where he is not. This is a known fact. Just the other night he posted on facebook that he had been in the town when in actualy fact he had been on this forum.
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Who is Kevin Cragie on June 17, 2012, 06:01:39 PM
So does anybody know when Kevin landed in London prior to the Rothwell Murder. Is there a Trail of this type of offence. When did he actually leave Scotland, where did he visit on route, were there any similar crimes committed around this time in other parts of the country. Perhaps Kevin could let us know his timeline.  8)-))) 8)-))) 8)-)))

interesting observation petats. there are so many unanswered questions. it makes one wonder why? what does KC have to hide?
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Joanne on June 17, 2012, 06:07:02 PM
Thats exactly how I started doubting things, exactly and the small things not adding up, lack of answers and the answers I got not making sense. 8-)(--)
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: peteats on June 17, 2012, 09:23:51 PM
After looking at K.C. for such a long time, nothing surprises me. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: realtruth on June 17, 2012, 09:28:48 PM
Do any of us know if KC had any "previous" prior to this JE murder?
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: peteats on June 18, 2012, 01:24:04 PM
Do any of us know if KC had any "previous" prior to this JE murder?

Now thats the million dollar question   8-)(--) 8-)(--) 8-)(--). But you do not get sent to a shool for unruley children for nothing. What transpired from leaving that school through to 1990 is anyones guess.
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Joanne on June 18, 2012, 03:23:15 PM
Was it definately a school for 'naughty' children? No like he was just naughty in a 'normal' school?
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: peteats on June 18, 2012, 04:38:18 PM
I believe it was a School for naughty Children with issues. @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Joanne on June 18, 2012, 04:38:45 PM
 8((()*/
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: realtruth on June 18, 2012, 08:44:06 PM
School for Disturbed children -it reads in one online report. Can only find this link at the moment.http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THIS+BOGUS+TEACHER+ABUSED+12+CHILDREN%3b+Soldier+walked+into+job+with...-a096601755
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Joanne on June 18, 2012, 08:48:40 PM
"Kevin Craigie, 33, who is serving a 12-year sentence for "joint enterprise to murder", also claims he was abused at the school".
That made me tut. You lived Kevin Craigie, Mr Rothwell did not. RIP Mr Rothwell.
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Billybob on June 18, 2012, 08:51:33 PM
"Kevin Craigie, 33, who is serving a 12-year sentence for "joint enterprise to murder", also claims he was abused at the school".
That made me tut. You lived Kevin Craigie, Mr Rothwell did not. RIP Mr Rothwell.

Wonder what mitigating factors he will attempt to use this time?

Rest in Peace Mr Rothwell  8(8-))
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: London Town on June 18, 2012, 08:55:23 PM
"Kevin Craigie, 33, who is serving a 12-year sentence for "joint enterprise to murder", also claims he was abused at the school".
That made me tut. You lived Kevin Craigie, Mr Rothwell did not. RIP Mr Rothwell.

Wonder what mitigating factors he will attempt to use this time?

Rest in Peace Mr Rothwell  8(8-))

The expert who examined KC before his police interview said he could find nothing wrong with him.

Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: realtruth on June 18, 2012, 09:15:25 PM
John Cronin was a pupil at the school too.Seems there was a repetoire of disturbed children who went onto become well known crims! Psychology expert  @)(++(* KC might be able to tell us whether it be nature or nurture as Bawlby discusses?
My opinion =nature as these were disturbed children in the formative years.
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: John on June 18, 2012, 10:06:58 PM
So does anybody know when Kevin landed in London prior to the Rothwell Murder. Is there a Trail of this type of offence. When did he actually leave Scotland, where did he visit on route, were there any similar crimes committed around this time in other parts of the country. Perhaps Kevin could let us know his timeline.  8)-))) 8)-))) 8)-)))

Evening Pete.

Sorry, I missed your question yesterday but here goes.

Craigie moved from Scotland to London in April 1989.  With no employment and nowhere to stay he ended up at Centrepoint later getting a place at the East End hostel "Providence Row".  It was there that he met Fuller, the rest as they say is history.

(http://www.vahs.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/St-Crispins-2.jpg)

Providence Row Hostel & Refuge



He didn't waste much time getting into trouble by all accounts.
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Observer on June 18, 2012, 10:14:21 PM
So does anybody know when Kevin landed in London prior to the Rothwell Murder. Is there a Trail of this type of offence. When did he actually leave Scotland, where did he visit on route, were there any similar crimes committed around this time in other parts of the country. Perhaps Kevin could let us know his timeline.  8)-))) 8)-))) 8)-)))

Evening Pete.

Sorry, I missed your question yesterday but here goes.

Craigie moved from Scotland to London in April 1989.  With no employment and nowhere to stay he ended up at Centrepoint later getting a place at the East End hostel "Providence Row".  It was there that he met Fuller, the rest as they say is history.

(http://www.vahs.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/St-Crispins-2.jpg)

Providence Row Hostel & Refuge



He didn't waste much time getting into trouble by all accounts.

I take it KC used the Mens entrance or was he trying to pass as a chick  @)(++(*  @)(++(*  @)(++(*  @)(++(*
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: peteats on June 18, 2012, 11:33:30 PM
Thank you john, 1989 thats a start. 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(* 8(0(*
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Troll patrol on June 19, 2012, 07:38:21 AM
So does anybody know when Kevin landed in London prior to the Rothwell Murder. Is there a Trail of this type of offence. When did he actually leave Scotland, where did he visit on route, were there any similar crimes committed around this time in other parts of the country. Perhaps Kevin could let us know his timeline.  8)-))) 8)-))) 8)-)))

Evening Pete.

Sorry, I missed your question yesterday but here goes.

Craigie moved from Scotland to London in April 1989.  With no employment and nowhere to stay he ended up at Centrepoint later getting a place at the East End hostel "Providence Row".  It was there that he met Fuller, the rest as they say is history.

(http://www.vahs.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/St-Crispins-2.jpg)

Providence Row Hostel & Refuge



He didn't waste much time getting into trouble by all accounts.

Karen Torley.. SHAME SHAME SHAME.. what a disgrace.. your trolling will be exposed
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Joanne on June 19, 2012, 07:47:59 AM
Thank you.
Title: Re: 1989–1990: West London murders
Post by: Troll patrol on June 19, 2012, 07:57:09 AM
Kevin Craigie.. SHAME SHAME SHAME.. OFFENDER OF THE WORST KIND.. YOUR trolling, abuse and LIES WILL BE EXPOSED