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Offline kizzy

Re: We appear to have come full circle to Morocco again!
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2020, 05:50:51 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 24, 2020, 05:34:30 PM
Do you think it’s harder or easier to abduct a child from a holiday apartment than from their home?


Well it must be harder from a holiday home seeing it as never been done
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: We appear to have come full circle to Morocco again!
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2020, 05:52:12 PM »
Quote from: kizzy on June 24, 2020, 05:50:51 PM

Well it must be harder from a holiday home seeing it as never been done
What makes it harder?
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"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Brietta

Re: We appear to have come full circle to Morocco again!
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2020, 05:52:29 PM »
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 24, 2020, 03:14:30 PM
Since the history of mass tourism from UK to Europe afaik MM is the British 'disappeared' child.  No one before, during or since.

Families regularly jet off to locations that present a far greater risk of child abduction than Portugal/PDL eg South America/Mexico and yet afaik there are no known cases of British children disappearing in these places?

I don't know of another case anywhere in the world where a child has 'disappeared' on a family holiday?

What features of this case make it unprecedented?  Context is very important imo.

If MM disappeared at the hands of organised criminals why only her?

It wasn't only Madeleine perhaps suffering at the hands of organised crime.

Did you overlook the part in the link Misty provided http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7060.msg602811#msg602811  "The victims were, in the main, African migrants “among whom it was common to find minors ... "

Is it because the children are black their plight and the circumstances which enabled their transportation hasn't registered with you?
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline faithlilly

Re: We appear to have come full circle to Morocco again!
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2020, 06:06:18 PM »
Quote from: misty on June 24, 2020, 01:31:42 PM
I don't know if this has any connection to CB's activities but...


https://www.portugalresident.com/leader-of-trafficking-group-with-over-1000-victims-lived-in-portugal/
Leader of trafficking group with over 1000 victims “lived in Portugal”
By Natasha Donn -12th June 2020
 
Spanish police have dismantled an international people-trafficking gang that will have moved around 1000 victims through Europe, the majority women and children. Twelve people have been arrested, including the network’s leader – described as a citizen of central Africa who lived ‘between Portugal and Germany’.

According to a statement put out today by the Spanish Guardia Civil (equivalent to Portugal’s GNR), most of the people arrested are of Moroccan and Sub-Saharan origin.

During the operation, searches were conducted throughout Spain, as well as three in Portugal and two in Germany. One person was also arrested in Holland.

The investigation began over two years ago after Spanish police ‘detected’ that a large number of immigrants were being transferred to France under duress. The victims were, in the main, African migrants “among whom it was common to find minors and pregnant women recruited from their home countries to work in an irregular, precarious way in Spain”.

These victims were later transported to France, Belgium and Germany for payments of between €500 and €750, say reports.

Also apprehended in the police swoop was a 500 kilo stash of marijuana and €500,000 in cash.

By children I think they mean under 18.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: We appear to have come full circle to Morocco again!
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2020, 06:12:33 PM »
Quote from: Brietta on June 24, 2020, 05:52:29 PM
It wasn't only Madeleine perhaps suffering at the hands of organised crime.

Did you overlook the part in the link Misty provided http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7060.msg602811#msg602811  "The victims were, in the main, African migrants “among whom it was common to find minors ... "

Is it because the children are black their plight and the circumstances which enabled their transportation hasn't registered with you?

Again minors ie under 18, not 3.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline kizzy

Re: We appear to have come full circle to Morocco again!
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2020, 06:48:58 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 24, 2020, 05:52:12 PM
What makes it harder?

Well, obviously something if it's never been done.

A really good point of H G IMO
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: We appear to have come full circle to Morocco again!
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2020, 07:21:19 PM »
Quote from: Brietta on June 24, 2020, 05:52:29 PM
It wasn't only Madeleine perhaps suffering at the hands of organised crime.

Did you overlook the part in the link Misty provided http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=7060.msg602811#msg602811  "The victims were, in the main, African migrants “among whom it was common to find minors ... "

Is it because the children are black their plight and the circumstances which enabled their transportation hasn't registered with you?

I don't see the relevance with a British child disappearing on holiday to Portugal?

There's no comparison between disappeared/trafficked children from under developed countries, like Africa, and a British child disappearing from Portugal.  You need to compare like for like Brie.
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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: We appear to have come full circle to Morocco again!
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2020, 07:51:30 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 24, 2020, 05:34:30 PM
Do you think it’s harder or easier to abduct a child from a holiday apartment than from their home?

The stats show 0% of children from Britain disappear whilst holidaying anywhere in the world with their family.
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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: We appear to have come full circle to Morocco again!
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2020, 08:05:09 PM »
Quote from: Holly Goodhead on June 24, 2020, 07:51:30 PM
The stats show 0% of children from Britain disappear whilst holidaying anywhere in the world with their family.
Erm, what about Nora Quorin?
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: We appear to have come full circle to Morocco again!
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2020, 08:08:39 PM »
Why doesn’t Ben Needham count?  Sarah Payne was technically on holiday, as was Alesha McPhail.
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"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: We appear to have come full circle to Morocco again!
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2020, 08:11:50 PM »
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"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: We appear to have come full circle to Morocco again!
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2020, 08:15:12 PM »
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"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: We appear to have come full circle to Morocco again!
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2020, 08:18:38 PM »
Caroline Dickinson was raped and murdered in her bed whilst on a school holiday in France.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/girl-murdered-on-school-trip-to-france-1329474.html
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"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: We appear to have come full circle to Morocco again!
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2020, 08:21:31 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 24, 2020, 08:05:09 PM
Erm, what about Nora Quorin?

Body found which isn't the case with MM.
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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: We appear to have come full circle to Morocco again!
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2020, 08:23:13 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on June 24, 2020, 08:08:39 PM
Why doesn’t Ben Needham count?  Sarah Payne was technically on holiday, as was Alesha McPhail.

BN was living in create at the time of his dissapearance.

SP and AP were visiting family in their home countries.
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Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?
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