Author Topic: Jeremy Bamber - The Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson  (Read 12502 times)

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Offline Matthew Wyse

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2013, 10:31:06 AM »
I don't think criminals can 'profit' from their crimes whilst in prison from the likes of books and films, whether they can when they come out is another matter.
There aint anything to stop them benefitting unless there is a court order preventing it.  They are also liable to the victims for their crime so any benefits can be frozen by those acting for the victims.
Most people suspect the truth but few are able to admit it.

jackiepreece

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2013, 11:30:22 AM »
I agree Andrea but then we go on to the silencer evidence and as you said the other day that evidence is not conclusive

jackiepreece

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2013, 11:40:20 AM »
As we all know on here juries make mistakes they don't always get it right and in my opinion if the jury had know Julie had made a deal with the NOTW before trial to get a deal if Jeremy was convicted I believe they would have looked at Mugford quite differently.

If I hade been on that jury and opened the newspapers on that Sunday to see Julie posing after her deal I would have been sick to my stomach.

Julie had admitted to lying with the stolen cheques books so she could have been telling lies again.

This morning one of the top criminologist David has been on the TV saying Michael Stone in his opinion is definately innocent so maybe another case juries got it wrong

jackiepreece

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2013, 11:42:58 AM »
David I to would have liked to have seen Barbara Wilson say more in the documentary either way making Jeremy sound better or worse

jackiepreece

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2013, 11:47:39 AM »
With reference to my case at least because I researched my case thoroughly most of the truth came out if not all which resulted in one of the Directors selling both his properties, the managing agent resigning and the police officer involved having to undergo special training because of her lies.

Not a pleasant experiance dealing with liars but sometimes you have to stand up and search for the truth even when threatened

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2013, 12:02:33 PM »
As we all know on here juries make mistakes they don't always get it right and in my opinion if the jury had know Julie had made a deal with the NOTW before trial to get a deal if Jeremy was convicted I believe they would have looked at Mugford quite differently.

If I hade been on that jury and opened the newspapers on that Sunday to see Julie posing after her deal I would have been sick to my stomach.

Julie had admitted to lying with the stolen cheques books so she could have been telling lies again.

This morning one of the top criminologist David has been on the TV saying Michael Stone in his opinion is definately innocent so maybe another case juries got it wrong


It wouldn't have made a single iota of difference Jack because the defence knew that Jeremy also had a deal worth substantially far more than that of Julie and at the end of the day one was as bad as the other.  In fact, Jeremy would have come off worse as he pursued the deal with the Press while it was the Press who pursued Julie.  A bit of a difference don't you think?

Michael Stone was miles away when the family were murdered, something definitely very wrong in this case.
« Last Edit: March 11, 2013, 12:09:19 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

jackiepreece

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2013, 01:13:52 PM »
John I see things differently.
If Jeremy was found not guilty he had always said he was innocent and had spent a year on remand and would want to tell his side of the story

On the other hand IF Jeremy was guilty Julie Mugford had helped cover up a horrendous crime and put Colin Caffell and the rest of the family through additional heartache when she could have told the police about Jeremy the day of the murders and from what she has said she might even have prevented the murders

No way did she deserve a cash bonus, she should have left the court room quietly never to be heard of again

John I am glad you agree on the Michael Stone case being another MOJ case and mistake by the jury

Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2013, 06:42:05 PM »
Myster
I am quoting from a statement not a book.
We have already established in all the books we don't know what is fact and what is fiction.
You choose what you want to believe and I am going by FACTS
Barbara Wilson saw Jeremy on a daily basis and was not a spurned or jealous lover someone who knew the family inside out
I am sure she would have observed if Jeremy hated farming of hated any of his family

Jackie... that short extract of eight lines you took off the Official Bamber website was a selective part of Barbara Wilson's whole statement deliberately shortened by his supporters to show Jeremy in a favourable light... where's the rest of it? You have to read not only the documentation (the FACTS as you put it - witness statements, police interviews, pathology reports, Court judgements, etc.) on here and elsewhere, but also any books available to get background information as long as they are reasonably balanced.

Colin Caffell, being so intimately involved knew very well what was said by Jeremy at the cottage that morning didn't ring true, in particular about Sheila's use of guns and the leaving of a rifle out when his children were staying at the farm, so I don't think he would deliberately make things up.
He was taken in by Jeremy's story at first, just like the police until he and the rest of the family realised the things said just didn't add up.

Wilkes and Powell endeavoured to interview Jeremy and many people who knew him, both friendly or not, to give as impartial a view as they could, and how otherwise are we onlookers supposed to learn what went on that morning without books to inform us.

As for making money from books... that's how freelance journalists make a living!. Is making money from authorship such a disreputable thing to do?

You keep saying you are only concerned with the FACTS, but then insist that Jeremy loved farming... who told you that?... Jeremy himself in one of his letters to you?... or one of his friends?... just because he or they said that doesn't make it a FACT.

« Last Edit: March 11, 2013, 07:12:10 PM by Myster »
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

jackiepreece

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2013, 07:52:25 PM »
myster
What Barbara Wilson said in her statement was fact and nothing can change that.

Offline Outlook

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2013, 09:43:54 PM »
Let us see the whole Barbara Wilson statement not eight carefully selected lines.  She made quite a few statements as I recall but I can only find one related to the telephones.

Offline Outlook

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2013, 10:10:30 PM »
myster
What Barbara Wilson said in her statement was fact and nothing can change that.

That is not true, statements are not facts.  In an ideal world they would be but that is not the case.  A statement is a point of view or information provided by an individual be they a witness, the accused, the victim or any involved party at a point in time.  It can be amended or clarified at a later point in time or it can express a completely erroneous point of view.

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2013, 02:14:49 AM »
There is a clip about Barbara Wilson on this ITN news report.

Forward to 00.40

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1986/10/06/AS061086012/?s=jeremy+bamber&st=0&pn=1
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2013, 02:21:46 AM »
I understand Mrs Wilson made 14 statements.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2013, 07:33:16 AM »
There is a clip about Barbara Wilson on this ITN news report.

Forward to 00.40

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1986/10/06/AS061086012/?s=jeremy+bamber&st=0&pn=1

Ann Leuchars also missed out that in the witness box Mrs.Wilson said that when Jeremy came into the farm office he told her to clear everything out - he didn't want anything left that reminded him of his father.

John... was that Taff Jones or Stan Jones escorting Barbara Wilson out of the courtroom (he looks like the Taff Jones photo in Powell's book and the same man who escorted Julie Mugford in a different press photo), or was Stan Jones the tall, blond haired one preceding Ron Cook outside the court doors, (the same man appeared with Ron Cook and two others at the post-trial police to press interview).

It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Myster

Re: Jeremy Bamber - The Farm Secretary Barbara Wilson
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2013, 07:55:45 AM »
There is a clip about Barbara Wilson on this ITN news report.

Forward to 00.40

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1986/10/06/AS061086012/?s=jeremy+bamber&st=0&pn=1

Ann Leuchars also missed out that in the witness box Mrs.Wilson said that when Jeremy came into the farm office he told her to clear everything out - he didn't want anything left that reminded him of his father.

John... was that Taff Jones or Stan Jones escorting Barbara Wilson out of the courtroom (he looks like the Taff Jones photo in Powell's book and the same man who escorted Julie Mugford in a different press photo), or was Stan Jones the tall, blond haired one preceding Ron Cook outside the court doors, (the same man appeared with Ron Cook and two others at the post-trial police to press interview).

Correction - I forgot that Taff Jones died before the trial, so it couldn't have been him... sorry. 8-)(--)

And the police news conference is detailed in Wilkes, pg. 276.

It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.