McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel case - Witnesses

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#madeleine Loach: TV documentary later made things worse because more than 2 million people watched it.
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#madeleine Loach: book was published 3 days after Port police closed case saying no evidence of McCann involvement and "destroyed all that."
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#madeleine Loach: "Kate realised the people she needed help from now thought Madeleine was dead and they were implicated."
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#madeleine Documentary producer Emma Loach, friend of MCcanns, said Amaral's book and TV prog based on it had "devastating" effect on them.
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#madeleine Hubbard: actors who played Kate and Gerry in Portuguese documentary portrayed them after M vanished as "crazy, heavy drinkers"
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#madeleine Mrs Hubbard said TV documentary after the book made things worse, because viewers then bought more books.
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#madeleine Mrs Hubbard said McCanns could not believe Mr Amaral was allowed to write his book "without any facts."
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#madeleine Mrs Hubbard said McCanns devastated because book made everyone believe Madeleine was dead.
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#madeleine Mrs Hubbard said McCanns had to use all their energy to defend themselves instead of searching for Madeleine.
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#madeleine Susan Hubbard says McCanns devastated by Amaral book which said Madeleine died accidentally and they had been negligent.
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#madeleine Mr Amaral loses bid to have media excluded and libel trial under way. First witness is Susan Hubbard, friend and priest's wife
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[John]

I find it very interesting that the Roman Catholic village priest from Praia da Luz has been sidelined in preference to the Church of England clerics wife Susan Hubbard.  They will be converting next.

[icabodcrane]

I am surprised that Kate's good friend Fiona Payne is not there to speak about the devasting effect Amaral's book had on the McCanns 

I mean she was involved from the very start,  and given that she lives in Rothley it is fair to assume that she and Kate have stayed in close contact.  That being the case,  she would have witnessed the McCann's distress first-hand  (  indeed,  she was shipped in to support Kate at a previous court hearing,  when Gerry unexpectedly left to go home  )   

Instead,  though,  we have Mrs Hubbard as a witness to the distress  the book's publication caused the McCanns  ...  even though she was living in Canada at the time,  and did not observe it herself

[ferryman]

I am surprised that Kate's good friend Fiona Payne is not there to speak about the devasting effect Amaral's book had on the McCanns 

I mean she was involved from the very start,  and given that she lives in Rothley it is fair to assume that she and Kate have stayed in close contact.  That being the case,  she would have witnessed the McCann's distress first-hand  (  indeed,  she was shipped in to support Kate at a previous court hearing,  when Gerry unexpectedly left to go home  )   

Instead,  though,  we have Mrs Hubbard as a witness to the distress  the book's publication caused the McCanns  ...  even though she was living in Canada at the time,  and did not observe it herself

Whose judgment to trust: Icabod's or Isabel Duarte's?

Tough one ...

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I am surprised that Kate's good friend Fiona Payne is not there to speak about the devasting effect Amaral's book had on the McCanns 

I mean she was involved from the very start,  and given that she lives in Rothley it is fair to assume that she and Kate have stayed in close contact.  That being the case,  she would have witnessed the McCann's distress first-hand  (  indeed,  she was shipped in to support Kate at a previous court hearing,  when Gerry unexpectedly left to go home  )   

Instead,  though,  we have Mrs Hubbard as a witness to the distress  the book's publication caused the McCanns  ...  even though she was living in Canada at the time,  and did not observe it herself

Or her personal gp/psychiatrist who treated her when, according to the libel writ, issued spring 2009 IS steeped in a deep and serious depression? or Gerrys if he made a visit to discuss living in a permanent state of anxiety and fear and loss of appetite....if that was true they sure had a great way of hiding it on camera right from Sept 08, example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P-z5HJxr0o&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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#madeleine Loach: TV bosses wouldn't let me use use the word "abduction" in my documentary because McCanns were still suspects.



So? Whats that to do with Amarals book? her first documentary was in April 2008

She certainly made up for it in her second in May 2009 when the female narrator (was it her?) said Jane Tanner may not have been the only one to see Madeleine being carried away by the abductor!....as IF any part of  that statement was a fact of any kind

Tut, artistic licences

And from a series calling itself cutting edge, fact finding documentaries, more like fuzzy edge!

[Lyall]

Narrator was Gina McKee I think. Oh Gina

[icabodcrane]

So far,  McCann witnesses have attested to the 'distress'  caused to the McCanns  by Amaral's book

I'm sure that is true ...   of course the book will have distressed them

Distressing isn't the same as libelous though is it  ?   (   the truth can be distressing too, afterall ) 

What witnesses do they have who will give evidence that  proves  what Amaral wrote  is untrue  ?

(  anyone know is on their list of witnesses   ?  ) 

[Redblossom]

Thanks Lyall

Icab, these ones reported, though not sure if there are any others

Emma Loach, tv producer of two Mccann documentaries
Susan Hubbard, priests wife, befriended the Mccanns in PDL
Angus McBride, high flying(extradition or libel?) lawyer,not sure if was ever used
Dave Edgar, ex RUC police, Mccanns PI from Nov 08
Susan Healy, Kates mother
Michael  Wright,husband of Kates cousin who was in PDL on and off through the spring/summer

[faithlilly]

So far,  McCann witnesses have attested to the 'distress'  caused to the McCanns  by Amaral's book

I'm sure that is true ...   of course the book will have distressed them

Distressing isn't the same as libelous though is it  ?   (   the truth can be distressing too, afterall ) 

What witnesses do they have who will give evidence that  proves  what Amaral wrote  is untrue  ?

(  anyone know is on their list of witnesses   ?  )

Or witnesses that can provide statistical evidence that the book really did hamper the search ? Surely just stating in their opinion it has is not enough ?

[stephen25000]

Whose judgment to trust: Icabod's or Isabel Duarte's?

Tough one ...

Duarte, not in a million years.

[Mr Gray]

So far,  McCann witnesses have attested to the 'distress'  caused to the McCanns  by Amaral's book

I'm sure that is true ...   of course the book will have distressed them

Distressing isn't the same as libelous though is it  ?   (   the truth can be distressing too, afterall ) 

What witnesses do they have who will give evidence that  proves  what Amaral wrote  is untrue  ?

(  anyone know is on their list of witnesses   ?  )

perhaps you haven't seen my posts. What level of proof do they have to show...criminal..civil...or absolute

[Mr Gray]

or perhaps you have seen my posts and don't know the answer

[Redblossom]

Panic stations....

Dont be so peurile...an attempt to discuss points might be more effective

[icabodcrane]

or perhaps you have seen my posts and don't know the answer

I don't understand what your post means