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Offline davel

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2013, 08:40:19 PM »
I was told that the Amaral/Cipriano debacle was removed by Amnesty because of the perjury conviction which Leonor now has.  Is that what this is all about Dave??

if something is removed it has to be present first...so where has areference been removed from

Offline davel

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2013, 08:41:24 PM »
but its not on the 2013 report?       8-)(--)

http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/portugal/report-2013

so are you saying it was and its been removed

Offline davel

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2013, 08:43:06 PM »
I was told that the Amaral/Cipriano debacle was removed by Amnesty because of the perjury conviction which Leonor now has.  Is that what this is all about Dave??
###who told you it had  been removed..it  isn't true

Offline Angelo222

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2013, 08:43:51 PM »
I am not all that familiar with the reports but according to what serendipity posted it appears that Amaral featured in all the reports up until 2012 then nothing.

This is all it reports on torture and ill treatment in the 2103 report...



Torture and other ill-treatment

A criminal investigation into the use of a Taser against an inmate in Paços de Ferreira prison in 2010 did not progress despite the findings of an inquiry by the Audit and Inspection services of the General Directorate for prisons that two members of the Prison Security Intervention Group had used the weapon disproportionately. The outcome of disciplinary proceedings against the two prison officers remained pending at the end of the year.

    The trial of three police officers accused of torturing Virgolino Borges in March 2000 while in police custody, which started in November 2011, made little progress.



No mention of Amaral and no mention of the Cipriano case....right?
« Last Edit: October 18, 2013, 08:51:08 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline davel

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2013, 08:46:40 PM »
could you tell me what has been removed..it is this false allegation which I would like to settle first.seeing as Ive been asked to aplogise.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2013, 08:48:50 PM »
From the 2012 report...


Torture and other ill-treatment

In February, a video showing prison guards using a dart-firing stun gun against an inmate in Paços de Ferreira prison in September 2010, allegedly to force him to clean his cell, was broadcast on the internet. The man appeared to offer no resistance. In April, the Minister of Justice issued a decree forbidding the use of stun guns in similar circumstances. An inquiry by the Audit and Inspection services of the General Directorate for prisons was pending at the end of the year.

In March, the Court of Appeal of Evora confirmed an earlier ruling that Leonor Cipriano had been tortured while in police custody in 2004, but that it could not identify those responsible. Leonor Cipriano had yet to receive compensation from the state. Gonçalo de Sousa Amaral and António Fernandes Nuno Cardoso, senior officials in the judicial police, had been sentenced to 18 months’ and 27 months’ imprisonment respectively, for falsely claiming Leonor Cipriano had fallen down the stairs. However, both sentences were suspended on the grounds that the officers had no previous criminal convictions.

Hearings in the trial of three police officers, accused of torturing Virgolino Borges while in police custody in March 2000, took place in November and December. Virgolino Borges was asked to give his testimony again as the recording had allegedly been lost due to technical problems.



All reference to Amaral and Cipriano have been removed.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline davel

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2013, 08:53:00 PM »
could you tell me what has been removed..as even you have stated now

Offline davel

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2013, 08:54:01 PM »
to be honest you are the one who doesn't understand

Redblossom

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Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2013, 08:54:52 PM »
jesus wept...night nght

Offline davel

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2013, 08:56:44 PM »
perhaps serendipity can tell us later what has been removed and from where

Offline C.Edwards

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2013, 09:03:36 PM »
perhaps serendipity can tell us later what has been removed and from where

Oh god...  You're not really going for the angle I think you are,  are you...  That it's never been on the 2013 report so it can't have been removed?

Cariad

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Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2013, 09:04:47 PM »
perhaps serendipity can tell us later what has been removed and from where

davel, did you click the links?

All reference to Lenora Ciprano (sp) have been removed.

It's no longer listed as a Portuguese torture case.

Cariad

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Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2013, 09:05:43 PM »
Oh god...  You're not really going for the angle I think you are,  are you...  That it's never been on the 2013 report so it can't have been removed?

I don't know whether to  @)(++(* or   8)><(

I've got a horrible feeling you're going to be right!
« Last Edit: October 18, 2013, 09:07:42 PM by John »

Offline davel

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2013, 09:05:58 PM »
Oh god...  You're not really going for the angle I think you are,  are you...  That it's never been on the 2013 report so it can't have been removed?

That's the truth  nothing has been removed

Offline Matthew Wyse

Re: Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?
« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2013, 09:08:51 PM »
That's the truth  nothing has been removed


where in the report does the word nothing appear  8-)(--)
Most people suspect the truth but few are able to admit it.