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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2012, 02:50:37 AM »
A thought occurs that if Jeremy was telling the truth and Nevill was still alive at just after 3am, how come when Nevill was found there were clear signs of advanced rigor mortis? He could only have been dead for a bit more than 4 hours by this time, would rigor mortis be so clearly visible after such a relatively short amount of time? At Tesko Towers they explain this by saying rigor mortis was sped up by the heat from the Aga. The Aga seems pretty pivotal to the defence doesn't it?

Nevill was shot some time between 2am and 3am so he would have been dead for around 5 hours by the time the police broke into the kitchen.  The advanced state of rigor mortis confirms this.
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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2012, 10:47:11 AM »
Rigor mortis is speeded up by both temperature and strenuous activity prior to death, so both the Aga and the struggle in the kitchen could have been factors.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2012, 11:05:34 AM »
Rigor mortis is speeded up by both temperature and strenuous activity prior to death, so both the Aga and the struggle in the kitchen could have been factors.

This has come up before Weety.  I don't believe the Aga was on that night as there was no reason to be burning oil on a warm August night.  Where did that comment come from originally?

Point is too, if it was on why was it on?  Did Jeremy Bamber put it on for some reason?
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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2012, 11:43:32 AM »
But but but.... if the Aga wasn't on, how did Sheila heat the muzzle of the gun up?  The marks on Neville's back PROVE the Aga was on.

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The Aga was solid fuel at the time, converted to oil later according to Hartley and Vidvic if I recall correctly.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2012, 12:24:12 PM »
But but but.... if the Aga wasn't on, how did Sheila heat the muzzle of the gun up?  The marks on Neville's back PROVE the Aga was on.

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The Aga was solid fuel at the time, converted to oil later according to Hartley and Vidvic if I recall correctly.

I don't believe that somehow because the Aga cooker would betray the fact that it was solid fuel. Such a cooker has a door on the front for feeding it with logs and coal.  I have one in my own kitchen at the moment which is about the same age as that which was fitted at White House farm.  The cooker in the Bamber kitchen does not have such a door and as the entire cooker is made of cast iron it was unlikely to have been altered.

No one keeps a solid fuelled Aga lit all night in summer and even if they do it is simply on a minimum with very little heat being produced.

Those marks or burns on Nevill's back are certainly interesting.  Why would anyone want to do such a thing and were they applied as he lay slumped in his chair?






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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2012, 12:46:47 PM »
I have just noticed that in the original picture taken shortly after the murders that the two heat lids are down and a kettle sits to the side.  That cooker certainly looks dormant.





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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2012, 04:12:24 PM »
I have just noticed that in the original picture taken shortly after the murders that the two heat lids are down and a kettle sits to the side.  That cooker certainly looks dormant.



Jesus. Poor Ralph. When I think of the revolting comments "smiffy" used to make about this image.....

It would have taken at least 2 police officers to pick Ralph up and position him like that, and I would imagine they would be bloodstained. I wonder who they were?
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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2012, 05:13:55 PM »
I have just noticed that in the original picture taken shortly after the murders that the two heat lids are down and a kettle sits to the side.  That cooker certainly looks dormant.



Jesus. Poor Ralph. When I think of the revolting comments "smiffy" used to make about this image.....

It would have taken at least 2 police officers to pick Ralph up and position him like that, and I would imagine they would be bloodstained. I wonder who they were?

Smiffy of course being Mike Teskowski himself and only someone sick in the head himself could have made such comments ...... karma. When you see photos like that you realise just what a monster Bamber truly is.

I am beginning to realise how delighted I am going to be when the CCRC do the right thing! Bamber dies in prison ... and the ex-con porn pervert Teskowski has wasted 23 years of his sad life getting Bamber's cause absolutely nowhere! Preece and McKay will have  wasted their time and Roach's new job will be redundant!

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2012, 05:31:13 PM »
Tim, if you think that is bad the photos of the children are a million times worse.  Can you just imagine what Julie Mugford went through when she identified Nevill, June and Sheila and those two innocent babes, Nicholas and Daniel.  I still think it was a police ploy to see if Julie would crack.  I know that if I had saw and heard what DS Stan Jones saw and heard that afternoon in Bambers home just hours after the murders then I would have done the same thing. 

I wonder did that experience do the trick and work on Julie to the extent that her conscience wouldn't allow her to keep quiet?  It is also worth considering if Jeremy Bamber had not taken up with Collins and distanced himself from Julie, would he have spent 26 years in prison?  Would Sheila have been made the scape goat leaving Jeremy to inherit everything or was it only a matter of time before Julie cracked?
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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2012, 05:50:12 PM »
I haven't seen photos of June or the twins and I hope it stays that way.

Wasn't it the case that Julie went to identify the bodies because Ann wasn't sure she could tell the twins apart? I realise she was being helpful but I don't know how she did it knowning at that time her own boyfriend had paid someone to do the murders .... or so Bamber had told her!

Julie said she hoped to get somekind of spiritual message from Sheila when she saw the bodies!!! Hmmmm strange!

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2012, 04:38:39 PM »
The three marks on Nevill back are almost identical to those on his arm.  All were most probably sustained in the beating which he received in the kitchen when the rifle stock was broken.  It would be interesting to know if there was any blood found on the broken piece of stock found on the kitchen floor. 
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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2012, 06:04:17 PM »
The three marks on Nevill back are almost identical to those on his arm.  All were most probably sustained in the beating which he received in the kitchen when the rifle stock was broken.  It would be interesting to know if there was any blood found on the broken piece of stock found on the kitchen floor.

I said earlier that I thought the three burn marks at the top of Nevill's back midline could have been  penetrating wounds, but having looked at the Vanezis autopsy report again, in which he states they were burn marks, I'm now thinking they could have been inflicted by a cigarette/heated metal to test if he was still alive. To make sure he had done a thorough job, I think Bamber would have gone to each body in turn again to see if there were any signs of life before leaving. Other than that the only other explanation imho is that they were old scars or skin blemishes.

Whatever they were, it was the eight bullets and severe beating which killed him, not three paltry burn marks.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2012, 06:39:50 PM »
I have never spent a second on Bamber and the Bamberettes off the forums but if the appeal is granted I am going to get active in exposing McChancer at every possible turn. Two reasons: I do not now believe he has taken Bamber's case on for any other reason than to refeather his own empty nest. And secondly for giving those comments to the Canadian press before an appeal has even been granted; quite disgusting behaviour ... shame on him!

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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2012, 07:01:12 PM »



Do keep up. The police Stated that the aga was alight. A cigarette burn! Do me a favour. Since when did a cigarette leave a burn  leave a hollow ring?
You have obviously not studied the case, but are jumping on the band wagon to score points.
There is a wealth of information, and I suggest you read some of it.
It was not oil fired.


If you're so sure that the police said the Aga was lit, then please post an attachment of any statement they made to back up your claim...., or is this just hearsay?

The burn marks don't look hollow to me, but then that's a matter of opinion...,
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Re: Jeremy Bamber - The three burn marks on Nevill's back
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2012, 07:08:14 PM »
Of course they look hollow in black and white photos. In the coloured photos they don't look quite like that.