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Leonor Cipriano - The arrest and arraignment
« on: November 30, 2013, 02:32:58 PM »
25 sept 2004 - THIS MOTHER SHOULD BE DEAD

The alleged murderers (mother and uncle) Joan were conducted yesterday afternoon at the Court of Portimão to be present at court for criminal prosecution, and was greeted by hundreds of angry people who had gathered at the site. "Assassins" was the word shouted in unison by the popular indignation while the two suspects went through the doors of the building under heavy police escort.

The interrogation of the child's uncle , John Cipriano , has ended after 20.00 and will result in the confession of crime by this , according to a source close to the process. The individual had spent the night at the Prison of Faro.
The judge then heard the child's mother , Leonor Cipriano , who spent the night in the dungeons of the Judicial Police of Faro. The process leading to the implementation of coercive measures dragged into the night .
The two detainees were subject to major security measures by the PSP , which highlighted about 30 officers to the scene, including two dozen members of the Body of Intervention . The arrival of detainees , which was scheduled for 10:00 am, just came to check up around 15:00 , when they were still engaged in many popular place to see up close the two alleged perpetrators of the murder that shocked the country
The authorities were able , however , to fool most people concentrated at the Court . While a mobile car entered the garage at high speed , attracting general attention , the mother and uncle of Joana were sent to the front door , surrounded by members of the Body of Intervention PSP . Thus , individuals were able to escape the popular anger .
During this time , the road around the Court has truly become chaotic , with tailbacks to accumulate in the adjacent streets . Nevertheless , many people insisted on passing car at the site to see the awesome police apparatus placed there .
Many motorists even ended up parking the car nearby, joining the cluster of people waiting for the arrival of suspected death of Joan .
MORE THAN A DEATH
For Maria Amelia , one of the people who was at the Court of Portimão , " that mother deserves more than death " , stressing that "it is the fault of the rulers , since there must be popular justice " . And he confesses : "I always suspected the fault of this woman , because no one can be so cold before the disappearance of a child ."
Beside her , a lady gave an draws near : " They did what they did and are still protected by the authorities , something that they do not deserve ."
John Pacheco was the other popular that showed " shocked and disgusted " with the crime , because the girl knew by sight , by the time she attended the School of Sales in Portimão.
" She was and uncle were to be hanged , if indeed done what it says " , defended in turn Anthony Hunter . Despite his already advanced age , this popular collateral " have never in my life seen such a shocking case like this ."
In the crowd there were also those who still refuse to believe that any mother would be committing an act of that gravity. It was the case of Joseph Francis , who claimed still expect " everything was confirmed ."
Everywhere , the voices that were heard could not be more critical of the alleged perpetrators of the crime , insisting the majority of the popular need for stiffer penalties for such cases and even popular justice .
The many hundreds of people who were at the Court began to demobilize the evening , when the doors of the court were closed and police contingent was raised .
STEPFATHER WAS HEARD BY THE JUDICIAL
" Nobody knows what I 'm going through . Still do not believe this is happening to me , "he said yesterday, the CM , the stepfather of Joan Little , the ex- Faro Directorate of the Judicial Police ( PJ ) which was heard by inspectors SRCB all morning . António Leandro , who abandoned the premises of the PJ moments after his partner , Leonor Cipriano be taken in a civilian car to the Court of Portimão , refused to provide more statements about the case , though he admits not believe that the woman is implicated in the murder. For the stepfather of the murdered girl , the two detained only uncle of the child would be able to practice the act , as it possessed criminal records , including attempted murder of a family . According to PJ , the possible involvement of Leandro in girl's death is so far away .
LEONOR exonerate BROTHER TRIED
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During the first interrogation in the Directorate of Faro PJ , Leonor Cipriano have tried to exonerate her brother , responsible for the effect her own husband . The CM was found that the woman will initially said the stepfather to carry out the body of Joan outside the housing version that will easily have been cleared by the PJ as António Leandro was in a cafe in the village during the period in which it was committed the crime . Leonor and her brother are, moreover , the only two occupants of the home when Joan arrived on the night of the 12th, coming from shopping. In possession of the girl would not have more than ten euros , an amount required by his uncle , who fall on suspicion of having been the main author of the aggressions inflicted on the lowest that have been removed from the scene lifeless . This is at least a strong suspicion Inspectors Regional Chamber Against Gangsterism ( SRCB ) the PJ in Faro , after detecting traces inside the house of the action taken by the mother and uncle .
Doubts remain however until the discovery of the corpse , when it will also be possible to determine the possible use of bladed weapons , which could have caused serious injury to the lowest since according to PJ , the intention of the two murderers have been the same for kill the child . At issue was the attempt on the part of both economies to extort the girl who used to receive money from relatives , especially the paternal grandparents .
Yesterday , inspectors of the PJ in Faro SRCB continued to hear people near the small Joan since the investigations , classified as very complex , will continue until the full investigation of the case.


25 Sept 2004 - MOTHER OF JOAN ON PROBATION

Leonor Cipriano, the suspected death of their daughter Joana Guerreiro, 8 years, will remain in custody, according to the decision of the court of Portimão enacted in the early hours of Saturday. His brother, João Cipriano, is obligated to periodic presentations to the authorities.

The two alleged murderers, accused of killing Joanna, which occurred on September 12, in the village of Figueira, near Portimão, the Court left the premises at about 2:45 a.m., where they were heard from the evening of Friday.
Joan's body remains undiscovered, the authorities have resumed the search operations this Saturday.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/ultima-hora/mae-de-joana-em-prisao-preventiva





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Re: Leonor Cipriano - The arrest and arraignment
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2013, 03:09:39 PM »
I hope it's okay to copy my comment onto this new thread... which was on:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2977.90


Thanks for that. According to that link (dated 25 September 2004, 13h57), it seems to state that she would continue to be held on remand.



MÃE DE JOANA EM PRISÃO PREVENTIVA

Leonor Cipriano, suspeita da morte de sua filha Joana Guerreiro, de 8 anos, vai permanecer em prisão preventiva, segundo a decisão do tribunal de Portimão decretada na madrugada deste sábado. O seu irmão, João Cipriano, fica obrigado a apresentações periódicas às autoridades.

Os dois alegados homicidas, acusados da morte de Joana, ocorrida no dia 12 de Setembro, na aldeia de Figueira, perto de Portimão, deixaram as instalações do Tribunal cerca das 2h45, onde foram ouvidos desde a tarde de sexta-feira.
O corpo de Joana continua por encontrar, tendo as autoridades retomado as operações de busca este sábado.



One thing at a time perhaps. Where does it state that she was allowed home every day between 21- 24 Sept.?

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Re: Leonor Cipriano - The arrest and arraignment
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2013, 03:46:47 PM »
From that article it sounds like they were both arrested, spent the night in jail, 23rd? next day 24th  they went up before the magistrate, Leonora was kept in remand as she confessed and Joao released on bail....

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Re: Leonor Cipriano - The arrest and arraignment
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2013, 05:54:03 PM »
From that article it sounds like they were both arrested, spent the night in jail, 23rd? next day 24th  they went up before the magistrate, Leonora was kept in remand as she confessed and Joao released on bail....

I can't see anything to suggest that Leonor and João were released as arguidos after they were arrested on 21 Sept.

According to this (if correct) :


Leonor is taken in by the PJ on the 21 September, eleven days after her daughter disappeared. The girl's uncle, João Cipriano, remained free for one more day but was also arrested under suspicion of homicide.


http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/10/cipriano-case-without-trace-of-joana.html


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Re: Leonor Cipriano - The arrest and arraignment
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2013, 06:05:27 PM »
I can't see anything to suggest that Leonor and João were released as arguidos after they were arrested on 21 Sept.


25 Sept 2004 - MOTHER OF JOAN ON PROBATION

Leonor Cipriano, the suspected death of their daughter Joana Guerreiro, 8 years, will remain in custody, according to the decision of the court of Portimão enacted in the early hours of Saturday. His brother, João Cipriano, is obligated to periodic presentations to the authorities.


When out on bail you are required to report to police daily, obviously he was, she wasnt....I didnt say she was released after her court appearance

At some stage between arrest on 21st and appearing in court on 24th  they spent the night in jail..the 23rd it seems....the article is dated 25th, talks about appearing in court on 24th and before that had spent  the night in jail....after the court she remained in custody while her brother was let out......happy to be corrected, though Ive forgotten why  its important
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Re: Leonor Cipriano - The arrest and arraignment
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2013, 06:22:14 PM »

- Leonor Cipriano was arrested and detained from 25 September 2004 while her brother, João Cipriano, was arrested and detained two days later.  Up until that point she was allowed home under guard.

- The trial commenced on Wednesday 12 October 2005

Could you provide links, please, John?

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Re: Leonor Cipriano - The arrest and arraignment
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2013, 06:26:40 PM »
Sorry Carana...trying to concentrate on two other issues so got the day wrong originally.


Up until the 24th September I believe they were allowed home but on the 24th the interrogation lasted well into the night so both were detained in police custody.

Late into the the night of the 24th João appeared before the magistrate and was bailed while Leonor was appeared later and was remanded in custody.



Report dated SATURDAY 25 Sept 2004 - MOTHER OF JOAN ON PROBATION

Leonor Cipriano, the suspected death of their daughter Joana Guerreiro, 8 years, will remain in custody, according to the decision of the court of Portimão enacted in the early hours of Saturday. Her brother, João Cipriano, is obligated to periodic presentations to the authorities.

The two alleged murderers, accused of killing Joanna, which occurred on September 12, in the village of Figueira, near Portimão, the Court left the premises at about 2:45 a.m., where they were heard from the evening of Friday.
Joan's body remains undiscovered, the authorities have resumed the search operations this Saturday.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/ultima-hora/mae-de-joana-em-prisao-preventiva
 
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Re: Leonor Cipriano - The arrest and arraignment
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2013, 06:32:16 PM »
25 Sept 2004 - MOTHER OF JOAN ON PROBATION

Leonor Cipriano, the suspected death of their daughter Joana Guerreiro, 8 years, will remain in custody, according to the decision of the court of Portimão enacted in the early hours of Saturday. His brother, João Cipriano, is obligated to periodic presentations to the authorities.


When out on bail you are required to report to police daily, obviously he was, she wasnt....I didnt say she was released after her court appearance

At some stage between arrest on 21st and appearing in court on 24th  they spent the night in jail..the 23rd it seems....the article is dated 25th, talks about appearing in court on 24th and before that had spent  the night in jail....after the court she remained in custody while her brother was let out......happy to be corrected, though Ive forgotten why  its important


It might be important. I'd like to establish the facts as to when they were taken into police custody and when / if they were allowed out on bail/caution, prior to being charged.

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Re: Leonor Cipriano - The arrest and arraignment
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2013, 06:37:20 PM »
Report dated THURSDAY 23 September 2004.

According to information obtained on site by the CM, Leonor Cipriano spent last night until today at home, always under police surveillance, being taken back to the Directorate of Faro PJ this morning.

De acordo com informações obtidas no local pelo CM, Leonor Cipriano terá passado a noite de ontem para hoje em casa, sempre sob vigilância policial, sendo levada de volta para a Directoria de Faro da PJ esta manhã.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/ultima-hora/joana-assassinada


It should be noted at this stage the PJ had an excavator and was digging various pits on a piece of vacant land about half the size of a football pitch adjacent to the Cipriano home in the search for a body.

This information would have come from Leonor when she said that João told her that he had taken the body and disposed of it out back.
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Re: Leonor Cipriano - The arrest and arraignment
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2013, 06:41:16 PM »
Sorry Carana...trying to concentrate on two other issues so got the day wrong originally.


Up until the 24th September I believe they were allowed home but on the 24th the interrogation lasted well into the night so both were detained in police custody.

On the night of the 25th both João and then Leonor appeared before the magistrate, João was bailed while Leonor was remanded in custody.



Report dated SATURDAY 25 Sept 2004 - MOTHER OF JOAN ON PROBATION

Leonor Cipriano, the suspected death of their daughter Joana Guerreiro, 8 years, will remain in custody, according to the decision of the court of Portimão enacted in the early hours of Saturday. Her brother, João Cipriano, is obligated to periodic presentations to the authorities.

The two alleged murderers, accused of killing Joanna, which occurred on September 12, in the village of Figueira, near Portimão, the Court left the premises at about 2:45 a.m., where they were heard from the evening of Friday.
Joan's body remains undiscovered, the authorities have resumed the search operations this Saturday.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/ultima-hora/mae-de-joana-em-prisao-preventiva

Thanks, but the original is:

MÃE DE JOANA EM PRISÃO PREVENTIVA

Leonor Cipriano, suspeita da morte de sua filha Joana Guerreiro, de 8 anos, vai permanecer em prisão preventiva, segundo a decisão do tribunal de Portimão decretada na madrugada deste sábado.


That would seem to be the court hearing, sending her to pre-trial detention, not when she was taken into police custody.

I'm still not clear as to where she was between 21 Sept and 24 Sept (or the early hours of the 25th).




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Re: Leonor Cipriano - The arrest and arraignment
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2013, 06:43:49 PM »
Report dated THURSDAY 23 September 2004.

According to information obtained on site by the CM, Leonor Cipriano spent last night until today at home, always under police surveillance, being taken back to the Directorate of Faro PJ this morning.

De acordo com informações obtidas no local pelo CM, Leonor Cipriano terá passado a noite de ontem para hoje em casa, sempre sob vigilância policial, sendo levada de volta para a Directoria de Faro da PJ esta manhã.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/ultima-hora/joana-assassinada


It should be noted at this stage the PJ had an excavator and was digging various pits in a piece of land about half the size of a football pitch adjacent to the Cipriano home in the search for a body.

Thanks, John. Is there any other press communication that can independently corroborate that? Or any witness testimonies to that effect? Perhaps she was, I'm simply asking.

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Re: Leonor Cipriano - The arrest and arraignment
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2013, 06:46:46 PM »
SAT 25 Sept 2004 - THIS MOTHER SHOULD BE DEAD

The alleged murderers (mother and uncle) of Joana were conducted yesterday afternoon to the Court of Portimão to be present at court for criminal prosecution, and was greeted by hundreds of angry people who had gathered at the site. "Assassins" was the word shouted in unison by the popular indignation while the two suspects went through the doors of the building under heavy police escort.

The interrogation of the child's uncle , John Cipriano , has ended after 20.00 and will result in the confession of crime by this , according to a source close to the process. The individual had spent the night at the Prison of Faro.
The judge then heard the child's mother , Leonor Cipriano , who spent the night in the dungeons of the Judicial Police of Faro.
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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2013, 06:56:18 PM »
SAT 25 Sept 2004 - THIS MOTHER SHOULD BE DEAD

The alleged murderers (mother and uncle) of Joana were conducted yesterday afternoon to the Court of Portimão to be present at court for criminal prosecution, and was greeted by hundreds of angry people who had gathered at the site. "Assassins" was the word shouted in unison by the popular indignation while the two suspects went through the doors of the building under heavy police escort.

The interrogation of the child's uncle , John Cipriano , has ended after 20.00 and will result in the confession of crime by this , according to a source close to the process. The individual had spent the night at the Prison of Faro.
The judge then heard the child's mother , Leonor Cipriano , who spent the night in the dungeons of the Judicial Police of Faro.

Please provide links to the original articles, if you can, John.

Would Portimão police station seriously have dungeons? Well, they might seem that way, but that might be going a bit far.


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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2013, 07:15:48 PM »
Dungeons, cells, basements, etc, whats a bit of lost in translation or nuances hey? matters so much in other cases but not this one???

Im sure they didnt have a rack there anyway

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Re: Leonor Cipriano - The arrest and arraignment
« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2013, 07:27:03 PM »
Please provide links to the original articles, if you can, John.

Would Portimão police station seriously have dungeons? Well, they might seem that way, but that might be going a bit far.

Sorry, though I had.  http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/ultima-hora/mae-de-joana-em-prisao-preventiva

And yes, believe me they are dungeons!!  I have been in the Spanish ones.  A 6" hole in the corner to crap in and water dripping from an overhead pipe to drink from.  A concrete slab to sleep on...

Ask any Brit who has been unlucky enough to be picked up in Benidorm, Alicante or Marbella.

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