I think there are too many threads to this subject now. We are all over the place, but I will have to post the same in each. The mini market is across the road from Celia only celias step and the kerb to go up to get there and she would have to cross to have a path or use the steps. Who mentioned the church ? its not in any statements
OK Carana Times:
Times Left home around 8 h pm ???
Arrived at Celia around 8h 20pm / 8h 30pm
After shopping left Celia around 8h.30Pm / 8h.35pm
Last time Seen, in proximity to market going to stairs that led to her home 8h.30PM / 8h 40pm
Earliest possible to get home 8.35pm to 8.40
(I think these are the same witnesses who saw her approaching market So must be near market/steps and opp side of road)
Leandro and pal in Celias at around 9 .00PM according
Joa leaves the house 9.10/9.15
Joao arrives at Celias at about 9. 20PM according to celia lady
They all go home immediately 9. 25pm according to Leandro
Leona and Joao go to Celia around 10. 30PM according to celia
leaving at approx 11.pm to go home and according to Celias
John goes home to sit with babies
Leandro and mate go to search approx 10.00 pm Leonora joins them 11 pm ish
Celia goes to their home to see if joana is back 12mn
Leonor, Leandro and pal are just returning 12 mn and decide to go search some more with Celia at 12.30 ish
Leonor and Joao’s brother, is around as well… At Celia, church where Leonor saw GNR,
cockle feast and their home I believe
Leonor and johns brother sees them all around 11.30
Celia helps search and phones police approx 12.30/40
Leonora informs GNR near the church. who tells her to report it tomorrow
If Joana got home earliest 8.35 the evil deed would be done 9.15 latest, this includes getting cleaned and changed before Joao left for celias 9.15 latest.
Or Joana got home 8.40/5 and still would be 9.15 latest
unless Carlos’s times were correct and Celia’s and witnesses were wrong of course as there was a 30 min difference
30 to 35 mins to argue with the child, kill her, decide what to do, and argue with each other, conceal the body, clean the walls and floors and get washed and changed , not to mention laundry and clothing concealment. Nah !
Even an extra 30 mins wouldn’t convince me
And when the men got back from Celia at 9.25/35 , Leandro and Carlos noticed nothing different about the house clean wise, which would have, freshly washed floors, surely?
8.35/8.40 to 8.40/8.45 trying to pull the child back and argue
8.40/8.45 to 8.50/8.55 hitting the child until she fell lifeless
8.50/8.55 to 9.00/9.05 Argue with each other and decide what to do
9.00/9.05 to 9.10/9.15 Conceal Body
9.10/9.15 to 9.15/9.20 Washed and changed
These are the shortest times that I believe possible
Now Joao has to leave at 9.15 the latest, to be at celia for 9.20
Leonor is left to wash, change, clean the walls, the floors and conceal bloody laundry before the men return at 9.30 ?????????????
When was all the really macabre stuff suppose to happen ??????????????????
OK I have checked back.....................According to 2006 appeal it was when Joao went back to the house at 9.30 ish,after waylaying Leandro and Carlos who then supposedly had gone searching ???????
but I believe (according to statements) that they all went home first and then they went with Leonor, searching for Joana
This cant be right !!!