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Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2014, 05:11:31 PM »

I feel ill.  Shocked rigid.

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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2014, 05:14:45 PM »
I feel ill.  Shocked rigid.

I had hoped it might, in some way or another, be a mistake / an accident.   But murder always implies intent to me

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Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2014, 05:19:39 PM »
I had hoped it might, in some way or another, be a mistake / an accident.   But murder always implies intent to me

So did I, CPN.  So did I.  But I don't think I can cope at the moment.  That poor little boy.

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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2014, 05:30:25 PM »
My thoughts turn also to the other children; and to the mother's parents, who seem to be very well respected members of the community, and other sister (ditto).  They must be utterly bewildered.  And how to explain to the other children?

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Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2014, 05:33:53 PM »
Charging her with 'murder' is a big deal. They had the 'accidental murder' choice too.

This charge feels like 'murder with intention'  and why she would intend to murder her child - for me it doesn't add up.

But she has been charged, not found guilty yet!

Does this mean that the post mortem decision was that Mikaeel was murdered?

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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2014, 05:36:16 PM »
@Vixte


http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2004/12/20339/47561#7

Its possible it may be reduced to culpable homicide, which is without intent.

See 3.7


All depends on all the evidence, which we dont know about, very sad


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Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2014, 05:37:48 PM »
Charging her with 'murder' is a big deal. They had the 'accidental murder' choice too.

This charge feels like 'murder with intention'  and why she would intend to murder her child - for me it doesn't add up.

But she has been charged, not found guilty yet!

Does this mean that the post mortem decision was that Mikaeel was murdered?

There is a bit more to it than deliberate intent.  But speculation is not a good idea.

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Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2014, 05:39:04 PM »
I had hoped it might, in some way or another, be a mistake / an accident.   But murder always implies intent to me

I think that's what's hit me so hard about the charge. To think that a mother is charged with intending to murder her child is just so hard to contemplate. Culpable Homicide would have been bad enough but for her  to be charged with this makes my blood run cold.

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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2014, 05:39:25 PM »
Charging her with 'murder' is a big deal. They had the 'accidental murder' choice too.

This charge feels like 'murder with intention'  and why she would intend to murder her child - for me it doesn't add up.

But she has been charged, not found guilty yet!

Does this mean that the post mortem decision was that Mikaeel was murdered?

Does there have to be intent to harm for it to be a murder charge, as opposed to manslaughter for example? Or even causing death by neglect?

I honestly thought it would've been an accident that she'd attempted to cover up.

Those poor, poor children. 

EDIT: just seen that this has already been answered, thanks guys.
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Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2014, 05:43:27 PM »
@Vixte


http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2004/12/20339/47561#7

Its possible it may be reduced to culpable homicide, which is without intent.

See 3.7


All depends on all the evidence, which we dont know about, very sad
Thanks for the link Red, been trying to find out if possible for the charge to be reduced. The mother in me just cannot comprehend how a mum could intend to kill one of her own.

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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2014, 05:45:50 PM »
I honestly thought it would've been an accident that she'd attempted to cover up.

Those poor, poor children. 
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That's what I thought / hoped also, Cariad.   Yes, the poor siblings, especially the twin.  But also the poor parents - you have so many hopes for your children and to then have to see a totally different side to your child....

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Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2014, 05:49:31 PM »
If you think this is inappropriate John, please remove.  But I always find it so touching, it says so much whether you are religious or not.   And so applies in this case:

The Other Mother


No book of Holy Writ records her name
She lived and died unknown, although her son
Became a sign for infamy and shame
Judas Iscariot, the evil one
She must have dreamed of him as mothers do
The months she cherished him before his birth
And watched with pride and gladness as he grew,
To manhood’s stature, great upon the earth.
When she beheld him on that blessed day
Follow the Holy Man of Galilee,
How would she see the cross along the way
A premonition of the pain to be?

But when his sin of avarice was paid
Its wage of death, what anguish did she know!
Surely her soul walked with him, hurt afraid,
Along the tortured trail they both must go.
Taking his retribution as her own,
Pain would she have suffered in his stead,
But in a potter’s field her son lay dead
By his own hand.   She drained her cup alone.
She reaches down the corridor of years,
She mourns with grieving mothers of all lands;
Wherever hearts are broken, bathed in tears,
For children’s sins her tragic shadow stands.

Miranda Snow Walton

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Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2014, 05:49:45 PM »

Blimey, I wonder what the autopsy found then. >@@(*&)

Judging by the state of the senior police officer who addressed the media at the scene of the discovery of the body I doubt it will be pleasant reading.

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Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2014, 05:52:13 PM »
Doesn't have to be intent for murder charge...



Murder is committed when the accused has acted with the intention of killing the victim or where the accused's conduct has been 'wickedly reckless'



as experienced investigators...based on the evidence...we believe Madeleine McCann was removed from the apartment by a stranger....DCI Redwood...Scotland Yard

Neither the McCanns nor their friend are persons of interest or suspects

If civil questions are being asked can we have the courtesy to provide civil answers.

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Re: Mikaeel Kular: Mother Rosdeep Kular appears in court on murder charge.
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2014, 05:52:39 PM »
@Vixte


http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2004/12/20339/47561#7

Its possible it may be reduced to culpable homicide, which is without intent.

See 3.7


All depends on all the evidence, which we dont know about, very sad
The definition of 'wickedly reckless' could very well include leaving him alone and an accident happening or maybe not seeking medical help if the little one showed signs of a serious illness I guess?