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The mother and uncle of the disappeared girl first came before a magistrate on 24 September 2004, the interrogation lasted through until the following morning.  The girls mother confessed to her murder and was remanded in custody while the girls uncle who admitted to disposing of the body was allowed his freedom with conditions.

It should be noted that the torture incident took place Somme time later and had no relevance to these initial confessions.  It should also be noted that both Leonor and Joáo had changed their story by the time the case came to trial.  In the case of Leonoir Cipriano, her version changed when lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia took over representation from João Grade.



Mother of daughter confesses death by accident!

Several hours of interrogation led to the confession of the crime. First João (John) Cipriano took participation in the concealment of the corpse of his niece, after the mother of Joan admitted responsibility for the murder, committed against a minor, on the night of 12th of this month, at the house where they lived in Figueira.



September 26, 2004
By: Jose Carlos Eusebio / John Mendes / MB


An accidental death, claimed the woman before the judge of instruction of the Court of Portimão, Ana Soares, who ordered the arrest of the woman and gave the man his freedom with the obligation to report daily to the authorities.
The coercive measures were only known at approximately 3:00 a.m. yesterday morning, at a time when dozens of local people were still concentrated at the door of the Court (some remained there throughout the day).

According to BBC News, the murdered girl's uncle, João Cipriano, who was the first to be heard by the judge (he had been interrogated since mid-afternoon until 21:30), initially admitted the crime but later, when the statements were recorded in written form, the individual just by pointed his finger at his sister, the mother of Joan.
"It is with my sister" - the phrase was used again and again by the individual, when confronted with issues related to how the murder had taken the child, referring all the explanations in the case to Leonor Cipriano.

João Cipriano only acknowledged that he helped his sister (upon request) to get rid of the body of Joana, after the girl was dead. He insisted that the body was placed in a field close to home, but stressed that he was not sure where, because "it was dark.". However, Joana's mother, Leonor Cipriano, who was heard between 21:30 and about 00:00, came to confess to the murder of her daughter. The woman however justified that it was an accident, saying she had slapped the child but she had struck her head on a wall, becoming unconscious.

Leonor Cipriano said she was bewildered and panicked at the prospect of killing her daughter, decided to wrap the girl's body in a cloth and put her in a plastic bag. She then asked her brother for help to dispose of the body's of her own daughter, which she said came to pass at a site near the house. Like her uncle, the mother of Joana will also use the excuse of the dark, as well as the state of panic that she would find, not knowing where to put her daughter's body. This is indeed the reason given by both to the fact that the clues provided so far to the PJ as to where the body may be proved completely false.

Lately, the mother of Joana gave the impression of being psychologically affected by the case and often "does not say anything to anything," according to the expression used by a source close to the investigation.

After hearing the two suspects, Judge of Criminal retired to decide on the enforcement measures to be applied to the process by recalling the mother and uncle of Joana about 1:30 a.m.. It was then communicated to Leonor Cipriano that she would remain in custody while João Cipriano would be freed on thge basis that he presents himself daily to the authorities (GNR Silves).


www.cmjornal.xl.pt/noticia.aspx?channelid=00000009-0000-0000-0000-000000000009&contentid=00132134-3333-3333-3333-000000132134

NB  Original Report removed by Correio da Manhã.

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I have all of the original articles John. In fact I have the full story...almost finished.

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Bumped this thread for davel as he is apparently having some difficulty finding a cite to the effect that both Leonor and João Cipriano initially confessed to involvement in Joana's murder.

This confession predated the beating we hear so much about.
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The mother and uncle of the disappeared girl first came before a magistrate on 24 September 2004, the interrogation lasted through until the following morning.  The girls mother confessed to her murder and was remanded in custody while the girls uncle who admitted to disposing of the body was allowed his freedom with conditions.

It should be noted that the torture incident took place Somme time later and had no relevance to these initial confessions.  It should also be noted that both Leonor and Joáo had changed their story by the time the case came to trial.  In the case of Leonoir Cipriano, her version changed when lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia took over representation from João Grade.



Mother of daughter confesses death by accident!

Several hours of interrogation led to the confession of the crime. First João (John) Cipriano took participation in the concealment of the corpse of his niece, after the mother of Joan admitted responsibility for the murder, committed against a minor, on the night of 12th of this month, at the house where they lived in Figueira.


September 26, 2004
By: Jose Carlos Eusebio / John Mendes / MB


An accidental death, claimed the woman before the judge of instruction of the Court of Portimão, Ana Soares, who ordered the arrest of the woman and gave the man his freedom with the obligation to report daily to the authorities.
The coercive measures were only known at approximately 3:00 a.m. yesterday morning, at a time when dozens of local people were still concentrated at the door of the Court (some remained there throughout the day).

According to BBC News, the murdered girl's uncle, João Cipriano, who was the first to be heard by the judge (he had been interrogated since mid-afternoon until 21:30), initially admitted the crime but later, when the statements were recorded in written form, the individual just by pointed his finger at his sister, the mother of Joan.
"It is with my sister" - the phrase was used again and again by the individual, when confronted with issues related to how the murder had taken the child, referring all the explanations in the case to Leonor Cipriano.

João Cipriano only acknowledged that he helped his sister (upon request) to get rid of the body of Joana, after the girl was dead. He insisted that the body was placed in a field close to home, but stressed that he was not sure where, because "it was dark.". However, Joana's mother, Leonor Cipriano, who was heard between 21:30 and about 00:00, came to confess to the murder of her daughter. The woman however justified that it was an accident, saying she had slapped the child but she had struck her head on a wall, becoming unconscious.

Leonor Cipriano said she was bewildered and panicked at the prospect of killing her daughter, decided to wrap the girl's body in a cloth and put her in a plastic bag. She then asked her brother for help to dispose of the body's of her own daughter, which she said came to pass at a site near the house. Like her uncle, the mother of Joana will also use the excuse of the dark, as well as the state of panic that she would find, not knowing where to put her daughter's body. This is indeed the reason given by both to the fact that the clues provided so far to the PJ as to where the body may be proved completely false.

Lately, the mother of Joana gave the impression of being psychologically affected by the case and often "does not say anything to anything," according to the expression used by a source close to the investigation.

After hearing the two suspects, Judge of Criminal retired to decide on the enforcement measures to be applied to the process by recalling the mother and uncle of Joana about 1:30 a.m.. It was then communicated to Leonor Cipriano that she would remain in custody while João Cipriano would be freed on thge basis that he presents himself daily to the authorities (GNR Silves).


www.cmjornal.xl.pt/noticia.aspx?channelid=00000009-0000-0000-0000-000000000009&contentid=00132134-3333-3333-3333-000000132134

NB  Original Report removed by Correio da Manhã.

first thing I notice is that this article says Cipriano will remain in custody...ie she was already in custody...willl now look a little deeper
as experienced investigators...based on the evidence...we believe Madeleine McCann was removed from the apartment by a stranger....DCI Redwood...Scotland Yard

Neither the McCanns nor their friend are persons of interest or suspects

If civil questions are being asked can we have the courtesy to provide civil answers.

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first thing I notice is that this article says Cipriano will remain in custody...ie she was already in custody...willl now look a little deeper

Yes in as much as she was in PJ custody having been charged earlier that day.
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Yes in as much as she was in PJ custody having been charged earlier that day.

Exactly, so hopefully how two years of davels asking has been answered, which also proves he hasnt read all the threads as claimed


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5783.0


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The mother and uncle of the disappeared girl first came before a magistrate on 24 September 2004, the interrogation lasted through until the following morning.  The girls mother confessed to her murder and was remanded in custody while the girls uncle who admitted to disposing of the body was allowed his freedom with conditions.

It should be noted that the torture incident took place Somme time later and had no relevance to these initial confessions.  It should also be noted that both Leonor and Joáo had changed their story by the time the case came to trial.  In the case of Leonoir Cipriano, her version changed when lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia took over representation from João Grade.



Mother of daughter confesses death by accident!

Several hours of interrogation led to the confession of the crime. First João (John) Cipriano took participation in the concealment of the corpse of his niece, after the mother of Joan admitted responsibility for the murder, committed against a minor, on the night of 12th of this month, at the house where they lived in Figueira.


September 26, 2004
By: Jose Carlos Eusebio / John Mendes / MB


An accidental death, claimed the woman before the judge of instruction of the Court of Portimão, Ana Soares, who ordered the arrest of the woman and gave the man his freedom with the obligation to report daily to the authorities.
The coercive measures were only known at approximately 3:00 a.m. yesterday morning, at a time when dozens of local people were still concentrated at the door of the Court (some remained there throughout the day).

According to BBC News, the murdered girl's uncle, João Cipriano, who was the first to be heard by the judge (he had been interrogated since mid-afternoon until 21:30), initially admitted the crime but later, when the statements were recorded in written form, the individual just by pointed his finger at his sister, the mother of Joan.
"It is with my sister" - the phrase was used again and again by the individual, when confronted with issues related to how the murder had taken the child, referring all the explanations in the case to Leonor Cipriano.

João Cipriano only acknowledged that he helped his sister (upon request) to get rid of the body of Joana, after the girl was dead. He insisted that the body was placed in a field close to home, but stressed that he was not sure where, because "it was dark.". However, Joana's mother, Leonor Cipriano, who was heard between 21:30 and about 00:00, came to confess to the murder of her daughter. The woman however justified that it was an accident, saying she had slapped the child but she had struck her head on a wall, becoming unconscious.

Leonor Cipriano said she was bewildered and panicked at the prospect of killing her daughter, decided to wrap the girl's body in a cloth and put her in a plastic bag. She then asked her brother for help to dispose of the body's of her own daughter, which she said came to pass at a site near the house. Like her uncle, the mother of Joana will also use the excuse of the dark, as well as the state of panic that she would find, not knowing where to put her daughter's body. This is indeed the reason given by both to the fact that the clues provided so far to the PJ as to where the body may be proved completely false.

Lately, the mother of Joana gave the impression of being psychologically affected by the case and often "does not say anything to anything," according to the expression used by a source close to the investigation.

After hearing the two suspects, Judge of Criminal retired to decide on the enforcement measures to be applied to the process by recalling the mother and uncle of Joana about 1:30 a.m.. It was then communicated to Leonor Cipriano that she would remain in custody while João Cipriano would be freed on thge basis that he presents himself daily to the authorities (GNR Silves).


www.cmjornal.xl.pt/noticia.aspx?channelid=00000009-0000-0000-0000-000000000009&contentid=00132134-3333-3333-3333-000000132134

NB  Original Report removed by Correio da Manhã.

is this a record of what they said to the Judge or a record of what the PJ claim  that they told them. We are told JC first admiited the crime then changed his mind...this has to be a record of his interrogation by the PJ not what he admitted in court.

LC was heard between 21.30 and 00.00..the court didn't listen to her for 2 1/2 hours...this was hers supposed statement to the PJ who we know are far from honourable.

then we have Joanna hitting her head on a wall and dying....those seem to be amaral's favourite words just like Maddie. Children do not hit their heads on walls and die...it's utter rubbish..

so what date was the signed confession?


I don't think this article proves anything...as far both of them forgetting where the body was buried....too daft for words
as experienced investigators...based on the evidence...we believe Madeleine McCann was removed from the apartment by a stranger....DCI Redwood...Scotland Yard

Neither the McCanns nor their friend are persons of interest or suspects

If civil questions are being asked can we have the courtesy to provide civil answers.

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is this a record of what they said to the Judge or a record of what the PJ claim  that they told them. We are told JC first admiited the crime then changed his mind...this has to be a record of his interrogation by the PJ not what he admitted in court.

LC was heard between 21.30 and 00.00..the court didn't listen to her for 2 1/2 hours...this was hers supposed statement to the PJ who we know are far from honourable.

then we have Joanna hitting her head on a wall and dying....those seem to be amaral's favourite words just like Maddie. Children do not hit their heads on walls and die...it's utter rubbish..

so what date was the signed confession?


I don't think this article proves anything...as far both of them forgetting where the body was buried....too daft for words

You are entitled to your opinion as everyone else is Dave but the facts stand out like a sore thumb.  Do you know any other innocent people who admit to having accidentally killed a child then spend days showing the police around areas where her remains were supposedly buried?  Not to mention the confessions, the retractions and the blame game.

Innocent people just don't do that in my world.  Leonor and John Cipriano were up to their necks in it regardless of who killed Joana.
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You are entitled to your opinion as everyone else is Dave but the facts stand out like a sore thumb.  Do you know any other innocent people who admit to having accidentally killed a child then spend days showing the police around areas where her remains were supposedly buried?  Not to mention the confessions, the retractions and the blame game.

Innocent people just don't do that in my world.  Leonor and John Cipriano were up to their necks in it regardless of who killed Joana.
I don't think they led police anywhere... I think they were forced. Children don't die from banging their heads...that sounds like amaral's idea...why did she get such  along sentence if it was an accident
as experienced investigators...based on the evidence...we believe Madeleine McCann was removed from the apartment by a stranger....DCI Redwood...Scotland Yard

Neither the McCanns nor their friend are persons of interest or suspects

If civil questions are being asked can we have the courtesy to provide civil answers.

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You are entitled to your opinion as everyone else is Dave but the facts stand out like a sore thumb.  Do you know any other innocent people who admit to having accidentally killed a child then spend days showing the police around areas where her remains were supposedly buried?  Not to mention the confessions, the retractions and the blame game.

Innocent people just don't do that in my world.  Leonor and John Cipriano were up to their necks in it regardless of who killed Joana.

Why would anyone who had confessed then refuse even after torture to say what happened to the body? That makes no sense to me.     

The only credible reason IMO is that they didn't know where Joana  was  - because they  hadn't committed the crime - and all the torturing in the world would not change that.

IMO 'suggestions' put to them  by the PJ as to where the body was would be agreed to at the time - just to stop the pain being inflicted on them.



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
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Why would anyone who had confessed then refuse even after torture to say what happened to the body? That makes no sense to me.     

The only credible reason IMO is that they didn't know where Joana  was  - because they  hadn't committed the crime - and all the torturing in the world would not change that.

IMO 'suggestions' put to them  by the PJ as to where the body was would be agreed to at the time - just to stop the pain being inflicted on them.

You've been watching too much TV.  I remind you that both Leonor and João confessed to Leandro of their involvement irrespective of their confessions to police.
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You've been watching too much TV.  I remind you that both Leonor and João confessed to Leandro of their involvement irrespective of their confessions to police.

we only have leandros word for that and who knows what threats were made against him.....none of the blood recovered matched joanna's...the trial sounds like a total farce
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Neither the McCanns nor their friend are persons of interest or suspects

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we only have leandros word for that and who knows what threats were made against him.....none of the blood recovered matched joanna's...the trial sounds like a total farce

He was interviewed by the local Press, he had no reason to lie.
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Leonor confessed long before she was imprisoned so do try and get some facts right davel.  The mild torture she was subjected to in Évora (hit with a cardboard tube) was an attempt to get her to reveal where Joana was, not a need to confess anything.
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Why not wait for thr book, theyre due out soon arent they?