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Offline Carana

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The missing girl's uncle, John Cipriano, once claimed the only difference between them and the McCanns was that the latter had money. I agree, they have more in common when it came to child care than they want to admit.

Are you sure about that, Angelo?

My recollection is that was Leandro who made that comment.

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Are you sure about that, Angelo?

My recollection is that was Leandro who made that comment.

That's correct, it was the missing girl's stepfather Leandro Silva.
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You had children Sadie.  If your 8-year-old daughter disappeared one evening after being sent on an errand would you have left her out all night without bothering your head to kick up a fuss.  An honest answer would be nice!
I don't live in an isolated village and I have a car, a phone and sufficient money to call a taxi.  Leonor had none of these advantages

She also had a couple of babies/toddlers to look after, who she could neither leave nor take with her.

Despite the fact that she hoped that Joana might be staying with her gran or a friend, she must have been worried stiff ... but she did the only thing that was open to her.  She looked after her other children... and followed the GNR Officers advice. 

She had done the best she could, she had reported it to the Police.  Why did you say that she hadn't ?
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I don't live in an isolated village and I have a car, a phone and sufficient money to call a taxi.  Leonor had none of these advantages

She also had a couple of babies/toddlers to look after, who she could neither leave nor take with her.

Despite the fact that she hoped that Joana might be staying with her gran or a friend, she must have been worried stiff ... but she did the only thing that was open to her.  She looked after her other children... and followed the GNR Officers advice. 

She had done the best she could, she had reported it to the Police.  Why did you say that she hadn't ?

One simple phone call was all that was required and they couldn't even do that!!
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One simple phone call was all that was required and they couldn't even do that!!
Difficult if you didn't have a phone !
Difficult if you didn't know how to use a phone either.

Angelo, I must make it plain that I don't KNOW the above things, but they almost certainly would not have afforded a phone .... and with Leonors limited education and almost certainly no access to one, it is quite probable that she would not know how to use one. 

That is rather like me in the late 40's, early 50's .... and we weren't what you would call poor.   Hardly anyone had phones or cars in those days.  I can understand where Leonor comes from.  Pity you haven't got the sensitivity to understand her dilemma
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She did have a phone, but it was out of credit.

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She did have a phone, but it was out of credit.

Do u need credit to ring anemergency number? Just wondering

Or was she so uneducated she didnt know she could

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Difficult if you didn't have a phone !
Difficult if you didn't know how to use a phone either.

Angelo, I must make it plain that I don't KNOW the above things, but they almost certainly would not have afforded a phone .... and with Leonors limited education and almost certainly no access to one, it is quite probable that she would not know how to use one. 

That is rather like me in the late 40's, early 50's .... and we weren't what you would call poor.   Hardly anyone had phones or cars in those days.  I can understand where Leonor comes from.  Pity you haven't got the sensitivity to understand her dilemma

A load of bull Sadie.  Your excuses on behalf of that woman never cease to amaze.  Even if all the excuses you suggest were true, all she had to do was ask someone.  She made no attempt to contact the police...end off!

PS you were wrong about her not having a phone too!!
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Do u need credit to ring anemergency number? Just wondering

Or was she so uneducated she didnt know she could

Good point and very true.  8((()*/

Dialing 112 does not require credit in Portugal.  In fact I'm told you don't even need a Sim card and is even now answered in English!
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From what I can gather from the situation, she was more perplexed that evening than anything else.

It does seem as if the bar lady found the situation of more concern (that evening) than Leonor.

On the other hand, Joana had been at a family party and a local fiesta was going on.

Apart from the fact that she hadn't come home, there was no manifest sign that she'd come to harm. Leonor could well have been toying up whether the police should be contacted when bar lady took the initiative.




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From what I can gather from the situation, she was more perplexed that evening than anything else.

It does seem as if the bar lady found the situation of more concern (that evening) than Leonor.

On the other hand, Joana had been at a family party and a local fiesta was going on.

Apart from the fact that she hadn't come home, there was no manifest sign that she'd come to harm. Leonor could well have been toying up whether the police should be contacted when bar lady took the initiative.

She was sent to the shop, she never returned even by midnight.  Any normal person would have made inquiries by then but not Leonor and John Cipriano.  Only the stepfather Leandro Silva went out looking for her but then he wasn't aware of her fate as the either two were.
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She was sent to the shop, she never returned even by midnight.  Any normal person would have made inquiries by then but not Leonor and John Cipriano.  Only the stepfather Leandro Silva went out looking for her but then he wasn't aware of her fate as the either two were.

That doesn't appear to be accurate, Angelo.

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I really don't understand why some people are so convinced that Leonor and her brother are truly guilty concerning Joana.

I'm not naive - I do know of some horrible cases in which family members have been responsible for child abuse deaths whiled claiming an abduction.

In this case, I simply can't find anything of substance beyond the so-called confessions under less than limpid conditions.

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I'm not even sure why people don't question the evidence (or rather the lack of it).


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I'm not even sure why people don't question the evidence (or rather the lack of it).
I'll go along with that. 
Especially people who believe themselves to have suffered a Miscarriage of Justice.

The imprisonment of Leonor and Joao Cipriana on the charge of having murdered Joana must be one of the most glaring examples of likely Miscarriage of Justice in the last century.  IMO
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