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Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
« Reply #15 on: August 09, 2015, 12:05:49 PM »
And I notice you completely ignore the preposterous idea that anyone could exit a moving car window head first without depositing their head right in front of the moving rear wheel, or why at that point the hijackers wouldn't at that point just shoot him dead:  I bet he didn't even lose his watch, did he?

Apologies. Overlooked that part of your lengthy post.

Item Credible (9) on our site (link below) deals with this issue and we concur with you that Shrien Dewani's version of how he exited the vehicle, is likely inaccurate.

https://dewanifacts.wordpress.com/credible/

As for losing his watch; it was stolen from him by the hijackers. You're welcome.

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Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
« Reply #16 on: August 09, 2015, 12:12:49 PM »
I must say Passer-by, your knowledge of SA and the perils therein is amazing, what an interesting post.  I wish you had been with us when the trial was being aired for all the world to see.

There are several issues about this case which bother me, one is the conversation Anni had with her sister the evening she died in which she said she had discovered something very disturbing but would wait until her return to Bristol before sharing it.

A sign that not all was as it appeared were events prior to the wedding when Anni threatened to call it off.  Has any more been revealed by the family as to what the problem was?
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« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2015, 12:38:06 PM »
I'm afraid this a very justice4anni style argument you are attempting to make. The only reason you don't know about all the carjackings where occupants walk away unharmed, is because there are so goddamn many of them, that they don't even make the news in SA! Just take a look at the crime stats - https://africacheck.org/factsheets/factsheet-south-africas-official-crime-statistics-for-201314/

Over 100,000 aggravated robberies per year. Sure - lots involve murder, but the vast majority don't. People walk away unhurt all the time. It never even makes the news, and then people like you erroneously conclude that "it simply never happens".

Completely untrue:  I said it never happens that the woman is killed and the man walks away.. Absolutely literally in this case:  not even a slight bruise on him.  What a hero.

I have no idea what your Justice4Anni thing is about:  I have never before posted anything on the internet about this before this thread and neither have I spent any time dicking about with campaign groups online.  That's why I can't get my head around yours.  You reckon he's innocent yet you're still trying to prove that after the case was thrown out?!

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« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2015, 12:39:03 PM »

I formulated this opinion immediately on hearing the news of the hijacking, days before anyone suggested it was murder:  it's elements were all too fantastical.  Of course the humdinger was why a newly married man do this?  The fact it came out that he wouldn't sleep with her and then had seen a gay escort all made the 'why' fall into place.  I think it was a massive politically correct error of the judge not to allow the escort's testimony:  it was not about him 'being gay' - it was about his family not knowing that fact and him trying to cover it up. 


Yes this is why most people formed the opinion he was guilty. We did too. It all seemed to fit, and handing an envelope in the communications room to the taxi driver, seemed to confirm everything. Yet it turned out that the entire hitman story was made up. Just shows how wrong intuition can sometimes be.

As for your last line. A bi/gay man wants to cover up his sexuality from his family. So what does he do? He arranges a crime so heinous and so sensational (not to mention risky) that should it succeed, it would gain the attention of the entire world and shine the spotlight on him while police and everyone else investigate his private life with a fine tooth comb.

Not much of a strategy for someone wishing to keep their private life a secret, eh?


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Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
« Reply #19 on: August 09, 2015, 12:41:37 PM »
Completely untrue:  I said it never happens that the woman is killed and the man walks away.. Absolutely literally in this case:  not even a slight bruise on him.  What a hero.

I have no idea what your Justice4Anni thing is about:  I have never before posted anything on the internet about this before this thread and neither have I spent any time dicking about with campaign groups online.  That's why I can't get my head around yours.  You reckon he's innocent yet you're still trying to prove that after the case was thrown out?!

We aren't trying to prove anything. We know he's innocent. We want true justice for Anni; plea deals for Qwabe and Tongo rescinded, and Mbolombo prosecuted. That is our aim.

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« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2015, 12:47:33 PM »
Completely untrue:  I said it never happens that the woman is killed and the man walks away.


Can you substantiate this claim with any evidence? Or is it just something that everyone should believe because you say so?

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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2015, 12:54:04 PM »
Are you going to try to explain why Tongo, Qwabe and Mbolombo told a pack of lies while testifying?

Much as I loved the warmth of the many different kinds of people in South Africa I have to attest, alas, that the whole lot of them - every creed, every colour - have a tendency towards dishonesty.  As everyone says "Welcome To Africa!".  It was extremely trying to conduct business there:  if it's not nailed down, someone nicks it, every si le receipt has to be checked and scrutinised and most people are trying to leverage their position.  People in South Africa would rip you off soon as look at you, I'd be here tapping away all week even by mu standards if I tried to write you a list - no, it would be impossible.  There reaches a crunch moment when you start to think 'sod it:  why shouldn't I?' - that's a when its a good time to leave.  Most South Africans don't have that choice.  I'm sure the others said whatever it came into their heads at that moment which they thought might work:  it's their survival instinct and it doesn't change my opinion in the least.

Are you going to try to explain how he got head first out of the moving car?  I noticed when his brother tried to ren-act it he didn't risk doing it in a car that was moving.  Now there's a wasted YouTube opportunity.

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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2015, 01:07:29 PM »
Can you substantiate this claim with any evidence? Or is it just something that everyone should believe because you say so?

Still avoiding explaining that exciting exit from a moving car Dewanifacts?  I tell you what, I'll waste loads of time looking up statistics whilst you upload a video of yourself climbing out of a rear car passenger window of a moving carload of men who don't want you to escape and who all have guns.

I'll be generous and even let you off trying to defend the defenceless girl you're going to be leaving with them.  Though you're probably right if you're thinking she was actually safer staying in the car than climbing out the window.

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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2015, 01:12:49 PM »
  I'm sure the others said whatever it came into their heads at that moment which they thought might work:  it's their survival instinct and it doesn't change my opinion in the least.

You're either dodging or misunderstanding the question. When giving evidence (in exchange for their plea deals) Tongo, Mbolombo and Qwabe didn't need to make anything "work". They simply had to tell the truth about a man ordering a hit on his wife. They invented evidence to incriminate him. They refused to answer questions. They lied to cover for a fifth conspirator.

Why would they do any of that rather than simply relating the truth and nothing but the truth?

Answer: because they weren't telling a truthful story. It was made up.

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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2015, 01:21:39 PM »
Oh look:  even his Law-Graduate brother doesn't actually try to do the entire forward-roll on the stationary car in case he hurts his head.  Just look at it:  to get his legs out he would tip over forwards and his head would go under the rear wheel.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2861889/Shrien-Dewani-s-brother-leads-dramatic-reconstruction-taxi-Anni-killed.html

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« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2015, 01:30:46 PM »
You're either dodging or misunderstanding the question. When giving evidence (in exchange for their plea deals) Tongo, Mbolombo and Qwabe didn't need to make anything "work". They simply had to tell the truth about a man ordering a hit on his wife. They invented evidence to incriminate him. They refused to answer questions. They lied to cover for a fifth conspirator.

Why would they do any of that rather than simply relating the truth and nothing but the truth?

Answer: because they weren't telling a truthful story. It was made up.

It was almost certainly arranged by a much higher level criminal who could still reach them in prison:  South African prisons are notoriously dangerous with different gangs like the infamous Numbers Gang and I'm sure they had family who could be got at too.  Isn't this blindingly obvious?  They were clearly very uneducated as is very common of people their age and background in South Africa.  For pitysakes, you've highlighted MY point about the likelihood of Dewani just happening to pick THIS unlicensed taxi.  There's some sort of inbuilt prejudice that 'all black people in South Africa are murderers, what bad luck!'  I'm afraid it doesn't work like that.

It's a lovely day and I'm going outside before I start googling up his links to another *hijacking* in South Africa where the car wasn't stolen and the victim was shot with a single bullet.

Oh rats.  I did.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/11221313/Shrien-Dewani-boasted-about-organising-previous-South-African-hit.html

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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2015, 01:36:57 PM »
Yes this is why most people formed the opinion he was guilty. We did too. It all seemed to fit, and handing an envelope in the communications room to the taxi driver, seemed to confirm everything. Yet it turned out that the entire hitman story was made up. Just shows how wrong intuition can sometimes be.

As for your last line. A bi/gay man wants to cover up his sexuality from his family. So what does he do? He arranges a crime so heinous and so sensational (not to mention risky) that should it succeed, it would gain the attention of the entire world and shine the spotlight on him while police and everyone else investigate his private life with a fine tooth comb.

Not much of a strategy for someone wishing to keep their private life a secret, eh?

Yeah, the idea was everyone would just go with "ooh South Africa is SUCH a dangerous country".  Naughty murderous black people, poor grieving widow can't possibly ever remarry.  Still gets a share of the family business.

OBVIOUSLY if he'd known how it would pan out he wouldn't have done it like that.  And the reason it didn't pan out was everyone in South Africa immediately said "woah:  that doesn't sound right!".  Just like it didn't sound right that Pistorius would think a burglar was climbing through his toilet window when he lived in one of the most secure private estates in the country, with perimeter security, controlled access and an armed response unit.

This is the whole point:  we see what is masquerading as normal but clearly isn't.

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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2015, 02:13:12 PM »
Yeah, the idea was everyone would just go with "ooh South Africa is SUCH a dangerous country".  Naughty murderous black people, poor grieving widow can't possibly ever remarry.  Still gets a share of the family business.

OBVIOUSLY if he'd known how it would pan out he wouldn't have done it like that.  And the reason it didn't pan out was everyone in South Africa immediately said "woah:  that doesn't sound right!".  Just like it didn't sound right that Pistorius would think a burglar was climbing through his toilet window when he lived in one of the most secure private estates in the country, with perimeter security, controlled access and an armed response unit.

This is the whole point:  we see what is masquerading as normal but clearly isn't.

I agree, hijackings, robberies and murders are so common in the townships, yet another one would not be noticed... but it was!

Has it ever been explained why Shrien Dewani had a liaison with one of the killers in the hotel a short time before the fateful excursion or what was in the bag which exchanged hands?

The Dewani family nursing home empire is cloaked in secrecy hidden as it is under the cover of an offshore arrangement based in Guernsey.  How does this fit into the greater scheme of things?  Any takers??
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Re: Website that analyses the Anni Dewani murder in detail
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2015, 08:46:38 PM »
Still avoiding explaining that exciting exit from a moving car Dewanifacts? 

I could as well explain Dewani's exit from the vehicle as I could explain what you had for breakfast this morning. I was not there in that car. I cannot possibly know how he came to exit the vehicle, whether it was moving, whether he went out the door, the window, whether he was pushed, pulled or rolled out. 

Here's what I can tell you. I have worked with victims of crime. When people are involved in traumatic incidents, they often cannot recall precise details; their recollection of timings and exact sequences are often wrong and they often describe things that we know did not actually occur. 

What does this mean with regard to this case? Dewani's recollection of how he exited the vehicle is quite likely inaccurate. Does this have any bearing on whether he arranged the murder of his wife? None whatsoever.

I'll help you out, Passer by. This issue and many other sensational and irrelevant issues (such as the Dr Pox murder link) have been thrashed to death in internet forums discussing this case. If you take a look at the front page of our site, you will see that every one of these claims have been addressed. 

Whilst we could sit and debate these points again, we don't intend to as its old ground. Our position was vindicated when Dewani was exonerated and cleared of any involvement. We don't need to prove anything to anyone.

Our ultimate goal is to achieve true justice for Anni. Our aim in sharing our page with this forum was to get feedback on whether people think that the content on our site needs to be revised in any way - additions/deletions/amendments/recatagorisation of claims - and if those suggestions can be substantiated with evidence, then we will make the changes. We want our site to be as accurate as possible. 

We welcome all feedback, however we have  to stress that feedback in the form of baseless speculation and subjective hypothesising about Shrien Dewani's behaviour, is unlikely to achieve much.

Despite not wishing to get drawn in to neverending debate on rehashed old topics, we are willing to answer any questions put to us, on any aspect of the case. 




 
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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2015, 08:53:37 AM »
New blog post up this morning. It examines the 2012 trial of one of the hijackers - Xolile Mngeni.

https://dewanifacts.wordpress.com/2015/08/10/the-trial-of-xolile-mngeni-a-cesspit-of-controversy/