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« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2015, 06:19:49 PM »
Correct.  Labour RIP.

Cheer up Alfred. The party recovered from the stab in the back by the SDP, and they were political giants compared to the nonentities who might defect today. The party will survive whatever they and their media friends throw at it.

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« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2015, 08:29:58 PM »
Cheer up Alfred. The party recovered from the stab in the back by the SDP, and they were political giants compared to the nonentities who might defect today. The party will survive whatever they and their media friends throw at it.
It won't form a government for another 10years miniimum.  How old will Jezzer be by then?
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« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2015, 11:17:15 PM »
Fantastic result for Labour....time for a breath of fresh air and for a serious challenge to the horrible Tories and the spineless useless Cameron thing
Also a kick up the backside for those pretending to be labour but pandering to the right, be honest or get lost if you want to have any credibility


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« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2015, 11:51:15 PM »
Fantastic result for Labour....time for a breath of fresh air and for a serious challenge to the horrible Tories and the spineless useless Cameron thing
Also a kick up the backside for those pretending to be labour but pandering to the right, be honest or get lost if you want to have any credibility


bring it on!

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it can only be a fantastic result for Labour if today's result takes them closer to government than they might otherwise have been with one of the other candidates.  In all honesty I wouldn't have fancied their chances with any of the candidates they put forward and at least this result will give us all plenty to talk about over the next few months.  I would put a fiver on Jeremy not being the leader anymore in a year or so's time anyway..,
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« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2015, 11:56:07 PM »
It doesn't matter if JC is not the next PM, and you never know, he may be, he is 62 going on 52, what matters is at least one party has got a guy with the guts to say it like it is, and speak for a lot of people, instead of being a sound bite buffoon, surely even you would applaud this and everyone is fed up of stinking  dishonest backtracking politicians, give the bloke a chance, he might ruck up politics to the level it should be once again


ps and FYI Im not some rabid red leftie..I have an enormous amount of respect for a lot of Tory MPs, and a healthy and informed contempt for quite a few labour ones, unfortunately the corrupt and incompetent idiotics  for some reason seem to rule
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« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2015, 12:17:47 AM »
It doesn't matter if JC is not the next PM, and you never know, he may be, he is 62 going on 52, what matters is at least one party has got a guy with the guts to say it like it is, and speak for a lot of people, instead of being a sound bite buffoon, surely even you would applaud this and everyone is fed up of stinking  dishonest backtracking politicians, give the bloke a chance, he might ruck up politics to the level it should be once again


ps and FYI Im not some rabid red leftie..I have an enormous amount of respect for a lot of Tory MPs, and a healthy and informed contempt for quite a few labour ones, unfortunately the corrupt and incompetent idiotics  for some reason seem to rule

Hmmm. I'm not sure about Corbyn. He's a scruffy, angry sod. Reminiscent of Ken Livingstone and Michael Foot. Why do women need seperate train carriages? Will we all have an attack of the vapours if it all kicks off?

In my day, if you got flirted with, you just went along with it, or kicked the bloke in the knacks. Now we've got yewtree, and silly men who overstepped the mark spend 8 years in prison. We have totally lost the plot. When did women get so weak? When did we stop speaking up for ourselves?
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« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2015, 08:34:21 AM »
Corbyn strikes me as an honest man of principle. He seems more likely to answer questions honestly, which will be a refreshing change.
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« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2015, 01:50:50 PM »
Corbyn strikes me as an honest man of principle. He seems more likely to answer questions honestly, which will be a refreshing change.
the thing is, if he continues to answer questions honestly and stick to his principles then he really doesn't have a cat in hell's chance of appealing to the majority of the electorate, so no Labour victory in sight while he heads the party.
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« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2015, 01:57:27 PM »

All such a laugh.  But it isn't.  I am now in total despair of Britain ever recovering.  But Scotland might be alright.

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« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2015, 01:59:37 PM »
It doesn't matter if JC is not the next PM, and you never know, he may be, he is 62 going on 52, what matters is at least one party has got a guy with the guts to say it like it is, and speak for a lot of people, instead of being a sound bite buffoon, surely even you would applaud this and everyone is fed up of stinking  dishonest backtracking politicians, give the bloke a chance, he might ruck up politics to the level it should be once again


ps and FYI Im not some rabid red leftie..I have an enormous amount of respect for a lot of Tory MPs, and a healthy and informed contempt for quite a few labour ones, unfortunately the corrupt and incompetent idiotics  for some reason seem to rule
Jez is 66 I believe, not 62, meaning he will be 71 at the next election.  It's all well and good him being a nice guy and all, with integrity and principles but we need an effective party of opposition not an anti-establishment protest group which is what Labour will become under Corbyn.  Out of interest, where in the world has Corbyn's brand of politics ever been shown to work on a longterm basis and improve the standard of living and well being for all its inhabitants?
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« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2015, 02:02:21 PM »
Jez is 66 I believe, not 62, meaning he will be 71 at the next election.  It's all well and good him being a nice guy and all, with integrity and principles but we need an effective party of opposition not an anti-establishment protest group which is what Labour will become under Corbyn.  Out of interest, where in the world has Corbyn's brand of politics ever been shown to work on a longterm basis and improve the standard of living and well being for all its inhabitants?

You mean just like Capitalism. @)(++(* @)(++(*
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« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2015, 02:15:48 PM »
You mean just like Capitalism. @)(++(* @)(++(*
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« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2015, 03:29:08 PM »
Jez is 66 I believe, not 62, meaning he will be 71 at the next election.  It's all well and good him being a nice guy and all, with integrity and principles but we need an effective party of opposition not an anti-establishment protest group which is what Labour will become under Corbyn.  Out of interest, where in the world has Corbyn's brand of politics ever been shown to work on a longterm basis and improve the standard of living and well being for all its inhabitants?

The last party leader with strong convictions, the courage to stick to them and act on them was Mrs Thatcher. She believed in 'Monetarism' and her hero was Adam Smith. She scared Labour so much they became 'New Labour' ditching their traditional beliefs and loyalties in order to get elected. Since then less and less people have been interested in voting or being involved in the political process. Was that due to apathy or was it due to the feeling that no-one was representing their interests?

Lots of people joined the Labour Party recently in order to vote for Corbyn. It's been said they were Tory voters being sneaky, but they could be ordinary people who wanted a Labour leader who offered a true alternative to the other parties.

Corbyn seems to want a return to Keynesian economic policies. He doesn't believe in war. He believes in an NHS free at the point of use, a nationally owned Rail Network, nationally owned Energy Suppiers. He won't sell off our assets for others to make profit from. He prefers to tax the rich rather than oppressing the poor. He likes the idea of a right to buy your house from large private landlords and restricting how much rent these people can charge. He wants to allow local Councils to borrow to build houses. He cares about the poor and thinks this country is rich enough to take care of the less fortunate members of society. He would welcome immigrants and also provide for them. He likes the EU poiicies which have helped the poorer members of society; working time directives, minimum pay and holidays, all of which his opponents dislike.

Of course the rich and greedy will raise an enormous clamour against him because he threatens their interests.
None of his ideas are bad. None of them will impoverish the rich, and most of them will help the poor, the disabled and the less privileged.

Out of interest, where in the world have similar policies been fully implemented?
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« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2015, 04:25:05 PM »
The last party leader with strong convictions, the courage to stick to them and act on them was Mrs Thatcher. She believed in 'Monetarism' and her hero was Adam Smith. She scared Labour so much they became 'New Labour' ditching their traditional beliefs and loyalties in order to get elected. Since then less and less people have been interested in voting or being involved in the political process. Was that due to apathy or was it due to the feeling that no-one was representing their interests?

Lots of people joined the Labour Party recently in order to vote for Corbyn. It's been said they were Tory voters being sneaky, but they could be ordinary people who wanted a Labour leader who offered a true alternative to the other parties.

Corbyn seems to want a return to Keynesian economic policies. He doesn't believe in war. He believes in an NHS free at the point of use, a nationally owned Rail Network, nationally owned Energy Suppiers. He won't sell off our assets for others to make profit from. He prefers to tax the rich rather than oppressing the poor. He likes the idea of a right to buy your house from large private landlords and restricting how much rent these people can charge. He wants to allow local Councils to borrow to build houses. He cares about the poor and thinks this country is rich enough to take care of the less fortunate members of society. He would welcome immigrants and also provide for them. He likes the EU poiicies which have helped the poorer members of society; working time directives, minimum pay and holidays, all of which his opponents dislike.

Of course the rich and greedy will raise an enormous clamour against him because he threatens their interests.
None of his ideas are bad. None of them will impoverish the rich, and most of them will help the poor, the disabled and the less privileged.

Out of interest, where in the world have similar policies been fully implemented?
The one point alone highlighted above will be enough to ensure Labour won't win any election under Corbyn.  IMO, his policies if they ever came into play would cause mass inflation, an upsurge in trade union activism, a dramatic downturn in the economy and an unprecedented exodus of business and wealth from this country.  But if that's what the people of this  country want then they must vote for him and his policies - we shall see how far he gets in five years time if he still leads the party then. 
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« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2015, 04:30:13 PM »
And if you won't listen to me, listen to Peter Hain (or is he one of the rich and greedy raising a clamour against Corbyn you were referring to?)

"But the reason I won’t vote for Corbyn is that, underneath his appealing slogans and rousing values, there is no programmatic substance. Whatever their respective merits, proposals to scrap Trident, abolish tuition fees and renationalise the railways do not constitute a coherent platform.

His economic policy amounts to an unelectable platform of “tax and spend” – an anguished cry of protest, not a serious alternative for a Labour government seeking to reject the suffocating neoliberal orthodoxy of cuts, shrinking the state and privatising everything possible.

He demonstrates little understanding of the immensely arduous challenge of electing, let alone running, a social democratic or democratic socialist government, when neoliberalism is so destructively dominant globally and the British media mostly in hock to it".

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/30/jeremy-corbyn-policies-labour
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