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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2016, 12:36:18 AM »
Will Corbyn go now that he has used the Chilcot Report as a platform to have a go at Blair?
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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2016, 08:41:34 AM »
I doubt it.

With the new 'membership', it would seem unlikely.

I presume this new membership is democracy in his eyes.

Essentially, paying for a vote.
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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2016, 02:34:49 PM »
I doubt it.

With the new 'membership', it would seem unlikely.

I presume this new membership is democracy in his eyes.

Essentially, paying for a vote.

I am coming round to the opinion that the parasite is in the process of killing the host.
 
Perhaps it is time for the true labour party to take this opportunity to reform and become a party which is capable of being elected to office and therefore in a position to represent the electorate of the country as a whole.

Consideration should be given less to the 'mass membership' ease of access for those representing policies which are anathema to most voters (including mainstream Labour members and sympathisers) and make them un-electable under their true colours.
Which is why they have attached themselves to the coat tails of an established political party.

Time to reclaim Labour from the militant tendency or socialist worker clones and it seems the only way possible to do that is by leaving them behind in a rump which can then stand under its own colours and no-one else's. 

There has seldom been a period in our history when effective opposition and leadership is so paramount for the good of the country ... if Labour can't provide it ... I'm leaning towards the unthinkable and Angus Robertson's proposition for providing one.
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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2016, 02:42:10 PM »
I am coming round to the opinion that the parasite is in the process of killing the host.
 
Perhaps it is time for the true labour party to take this opportunity to reform and become a party which is capable of being elected to office and therefore in a position to represent the electorate of the country as a whole.

Consideration should be given less to the 'mass membership' ease of access for those representing policies which are anathema to most voters (including mainstream Labour members and sympathisers) and make them un-electable under their true colours.
Which is why they have attached themselves to the coat tails of an established political party.

Time to reclaim Labour from the militant tendency or socialist worker clones and it seems the only way possible to do that is by leaving them behind in a rump which can then stand under its own colours and no-one else's. 

There has seldom been a period in our history when effective opposition and leadership is so paramount for the good of the country ... if Labour can't provide it ... I'm leaning towards the unthinkable and Angus Robertson's proposition for providing one.


I can't recall a time when the country needed an effective leader soooooo badly and the candidates were so poor. God only knows who would win if we had an election tomorrow?
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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2016, 03:56:49 PM »

I can't recall a time when the country needed an effective leader soooooo badly and the candidates were so poor. God only knows who would win if we had an election tomorrow?

I feel positive about TM  ?{)(**  At the end of the day who would want such a job with all the stresses and strains 24/7?  It's not even well paid relevant to the responsibilities involved.

I would describe my politics as centre but I have only ever voted Tory!  But it's always good imo to have an effective opposition.  The current lot are completely unelectable imo and an embarrassment to the country.   Keir Starmer was encouraged to stand in 2015 but he didn't citing lack of political experience.  Maybe a future contender. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNRlVT5w-N4

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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2016, 05:05:56 PM »
I feel positive about TM  ?{)(**  At the end of the day who would want such a job with all the stresses and strains 24/7?  It's not even well paid relevant to the responsibilities involved.

I would describe my politics as centre but I have only ever voted Tory!  But it's always good imo to have an effective opposition.  The current lot are completely unelectable imo and an embarrassment to the country.   Keir Starmer was encouraged to stand in 2015 but he didn't citing lack of political experience.  Maybe a future contender. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNRlVT5w-N4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keir_Starmer

Hmmm ... don't really know much about him but having listened to him I think you may have something there.  Not only intelligent, but photogenic.
I think he would do very well in an election for leadership and would subsequently play well to the electorate.
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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2016, 06:11:50 PM »

I can't recall a time when the country needed an effective leader soooooo badly and the candidates were so poor. God only knows who would win if we had an election tomorrow?

The current situation make "The Thick of It" seem quite, erm, quaint. Not to mention "Yes, Minister"...

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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #37 on: July 07, 2016, 06:55:14 PM »
If the MP's thought they could defeat Corbyn a leadership election would be taking place. Instead we have Tom Watson trying to persuade everyone to play nicely.

The same MP's who have no faith in Corbyn had faith in Ed Milliband and let him lead them in a General Election. That casts serious doubts on their ability to judge.

I think the issue is about Corbyn's left wing stance rather than his leadership abilities. His mentor, Tony Benn, faced exactly the same problems throughout his political career. Both share something scarce in politics; honesty.

Tony Blair was attractive to the Electorate, but he wasn't an honest man, it seems.
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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #38 on: July 07, 2016, 07:04:40 PM »
If the MP's thought they could defeat Corbyn a leadership election would be taking place. Instead we have Tom Watson trying to persuade everyone to play nicely.

The same MP's who have no faith in Corbyn had faith in Ed Milliband and let him lead them in a General Election. That casts serious doubts on their ability to judge.

I think the issue is about Corbyn's left wing stance rather than his leadership abilities. His mentor, Tony Benn, faced exactly the same problems throughout his political career. Both share something scarce in politics; honesty.

Tony Blair was attractive to the Electorate, but he wasn't an honest man, it seems.
If Corbyn truly was an honest man he should have backed the Leave campaign, as he has been against the EU all his political career.
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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2016, 07:15:39 PM »
If Corbyn truly was an honest man he should have backed the Leave campaign, as he has been against the EU all his political career.

Precisely.
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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #40 on: July 07, 2016, 07:47:33 PM »
Corbyn has criticised aspects of the EU along with many other politicians, including Thatcher, Blair and Cameron. Has anyone a cite where he said we should leave?
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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2016, 08:15:39 PM »
Corbyn has criticised aspects of the EU along with many other politicians, including Thatcher, Blair and Cameron. Has anyone a cite where he said we should leave?
Anyone HONEST with these opinions on the EU should have had the courage of his convictions and come out in favour of Leave

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/14/ten-quotes-prove-corbyn-undoubtedly-eurosceptic/
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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2016, 08:19:27 PM »
Also:

He voted in favour of leaving the European Economic Community in 1975.
He voted against the Maastricht Treaty that created the EU. Here's what he had to say about it — "It takes us in the opposite direction of an unelected legislative body—the Commission—and, in the case of foreign policy, a policy Commission that will be, in effect, imposing foreign policy on nation states that have fought for their own democratic accountability."
He voted against the Lisbon Treaty which is the current constitutional basis for the EU.
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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2016, 12:46:34 AM »
I am coming round to the opinion that the parasite is in the process of killing the host.
 
Perhaps it is time for the true labour party to take this opportunity to reform and become a party which is capable of being elected to office and therefore in a position to represent the electorate of the country as a whole.

Consideration should be given less to the 'mass membership' ease of access for those representing policies which are anathema to most voters (including mainstream Labour members and sympathisers) and make them un-electable under their true colours.
Which is why they have attached themselves to the coat tails of an established political party.

Time to reclaim Labour from the militant tendency or socialist worker clones and it seems the only way possible to do that is by leaving them behind in a rump which can then stand under its own colours and no-one else's. 

There has seldom been a period in our history when effective opposition and leadership is so paramount for the good of the country ... if Labour can't provide it ... I'm leaning towards the unthinkable and Angus Robertson's proposition for providing one.

Is it my imagination or did yu call corbyn a parasite?

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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2016, 12:51:22 AM »
If Corbyn truly was an honest man he should have backed the Leave campaign, as he has been against the EU all his political career.
No, youre logic is totally flawed
Just because he voted against the eu decades ago doesnt mean he has to now if thngs have moved on so much and changed that leaving the eu would be carastrophic for the country!!!
Got all yur as and bs mxed up here dear

Its like you being aganst the german govt in the 40s but supporting them now