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Offline G-Unit

Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #435 on: September 29, 2016, 04:27:24 PM »
He is wound up in Marxist theory.

Unfortunately, he forgets human nature.

People will vote for what they consider will benefit them, and not some pie in the sky ideals which have not been costed, and it seems depend on more borrowing.

Human nature? I don't think there is a definitive definition of human nature. Those with conservative leanings support and propagate the belief that it's human nature to consider one's own interests before other's. It's the basic explanation used to describe how capitalism works and why other economic systems wouldn't work.

Undeniably those who put themselves first thrive under the capitalist system. Self interest is necessary for them them to make it in the dog eat dog nature of the system. It enables them to blame the poor for their situation, rather than the system, for example. It enables them to make workers redundant for 'the good of the company' or, in other words, their own profits.

As to whether self interest is a universal trait of human beings, there is evidence to the contrary. Not everybody puts themselves first.

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Offline stephen25000

Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #436 on: September 29, 2016, 04:31:02 PM »
Human nature? I don't think there is a definitive definition of human nature. Those with conservative leanings support and propagate the belief that it's human nature to consider one's own interests before other's. It's the basic explanation used to describe how capitalism works and why other economic systems wouldn't work.

Undeniably those who put themselves first thrive under the capitalist system. Self interest is necessary for them them to make it in the dog eat dog nature of the system. It enables them to blame the poor for their situation, rather than the system, for example. It enables them to make workers redundant for 'the good of the company' or, in other words, their own profits.

As to whether self interest is a universal trait of human beings, there is evidence to the contrary. Not everybody puts themselves first.

Unfortunately G-Unit, never enough.
The McCanns were solely responsible for their childcare arrangements and there is no one else to blame.

S and S, two more amateurs making money from a disappeared child, and clearly without a clue.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #437 on: September 30, 2016, 04:20:52 PM »
Unfortunately G-Unit, never enough.

I would say there's been more greed in the UK since the Thatcher years. Perhaps that's why the ideals being promoted by the new Labour leadership have struck a chord with so many. I believe most people are satisfied with 'enough', they don't want huge wealth. You can't buy love, health or happiness after all.
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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #438 on: September 30, 2016, 04:30:18 PM »
Stephen is absolutely right.  Human nature is one reason why a truly socialist government has never really worked for long anywhere in the world. 

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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #439 on: October 06, 2016, 06:14:12 PM »
Diane Abbott - Shadow Home Secretary.... @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*

Offline stephen25000

Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #440 on: October 06, 2016, 06:33:56 PM »
Diane Abbott - Shadow Home Secretary.... @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*

Now we know the meaning of the 'new politics'.

Corbyn had his leg over her, now he is giving her a leg up the political ladder.
The McCanns were solely responsible for their childcare arrangements and there is no one else to blame.

S and S, two more amateurs making money from a disappeared child, and clearly without a clue.

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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #441 on: October 06, 2016, 06:43:06 PM »
Diane Abbott took her son out of state education and put him into private school.  Jeremy Corbyn divorced his wife because she wanted their son to go to a State Grammar, but is seemingly happy to overlook Abbott's education choice for her child.  Abbott is a joke, but maybe poor Jeremy isn't exactly spoilt for choice in who to put in his cabinet these days.

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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #442 on: October 06, 2016, 07:01:19 PM »
Diane Abbott took her son out of state education and put him into private school.  Jeremy Corbyn divorced his wife because she wanted their son to go to a State Grammar, but is seemingly happy to overlook Abbott's education choice for her child.  Abbott is a joke, but maybe poor Jeremy isn't exactly spoilt for choice in who to put in his cabinet these days.

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Offline stephen25000

Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #443 on: October 07, 2016, 10:13:42 AM »
So Corbyn has promoted his ex-lover and a bunch of his cronies to the Shadow Cabinet.

He promised a few days ago that the recent problems would be left behind, and former opponents would be brought back.

So pure lies then.

So much for his new politics.

Pure B.S.



The McCanns were solely responsible for their childcare arrangements and there is no one else to blame.

S and S, two more amateurs making money from a disappeared child, and clearly without a clue.

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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #444 on: October 07, 2016, 02:07:40 PM »


"These days, the word socialism gets tossed around so much, it's almost lost all meaning. Originally, though, it was the bedrock of Marxism and meant that workers and their community should control the market for what they make.

Because the Soviet state eventually strayed far from Marx's idea of socialism towards Lenin's totalitarian communism, socialism is now often used to mean everything from "fascism" to "progressivism." But in its purest form, socialism was a political, social, and economic system meant to empower the working class. In the U.S. today, though, it's often used as shorthand for "the services that government provides and which are paid for by taxes." Depending on who's talking, that idea is either a goal or a target".



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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #445 on: October 23, 2016, 05:06:08 PM »
Indeed Alice! and if we want to take it back futher we have community living- be they tribes, Manors or kindoms. A community thrived with individuals using their skills and knowledge to enhance their own lives and those around them. They would all survive by sharing and caring for selves and others. That was on the industrial side, on the social scale it was quite something else. You had hard workers and lazy sods, people with differing moral codes but all striving to survive in the same geographical location. Until someone wanted to be boss and throw their weight around by using fanciful beliefs to terrorise the gullible... and this is what we have today. Some people hard working denying themselves a better quality of life to benefit  others -lazy ,drunken  drugged up sods.

 

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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #446 on: June 09, 2017, 06:49:44 AM »
Well, the Labour MP's, the media and many on here were wrong about Corbyn. This morning it's May who's being called a 'laughing stock', not him. It looks like he took the Labour Party in exactly the right direction with no sign of it imploding at the moment. He who laughs last and so on............ @)(++(*
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Offline stephen25000

Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #447 on: June 09, 2017, 08:12:21 AM »
Yep,

May is a dead duck in the water, and the knives will be out for her.

Where this leaves the brexit negotiations is anyone's guess.
The McCanns were solely responsible for their childcare arrangements and there is no one else to blame.

S and S, two more amateurs making money from a disappeared child, and clearly without a clue.

Offline misty

Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #448 on: June 09, 2017, 11:39:52 AM »
So, Jezza got his votes by promising the students free uni fees (something he could never deliver without a radical overhaul of admissions) and by promising the golden oldies a return to the euphoria that was 1970's nationalised chaos.
The SNP & UKIP took a right bashing - oh, how fickle the UK voters are.
Theresa will be secretly gleeful that she probably won't have to negotiate a Brexit she doesn't support. The EU will be laughing (once again) into their UK-funded banquet luncheons and plotting how much extra misery they can heap on us. Happy days!
Oh, and Boris has been very, very quiet.......

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Re: Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?
« Reply #449 on: June 09, 2017, 12:47:48 PM »
So, Jezza got his votes by promising the students free uni fees (something he could never deliver without a radical overhaul of admissions) and by promising the golden oldies a return to the euphoria that was 1970's nationalised chaos.
The SNP & UKIP took a right bashing - oh, how fickle the UK voters are.
Theresa will be secretly gleeful that she probably won't have to negotiate a Brexit she doesn't support. The EU will be laughing (once again) into their UK-funded banquet luncheons and plotting how much extra misery they can heap on us. Happy days!
Oh, and Boris has been very, very quiet.......

Don't count on that lasting for long.

Voters only need know one thing. Governments do not have anything to trade for cash. Their only source of income is taxation. How it is dressed up politically is another matter. Does one want to afford the things folk think they are entitled to from government. ie me and you cos it's our dosh.

The EU have had a year to get themselves going on Brexit. I just hope we have not been wasting time and that in the background the mandarins have been hard at it.

The student loan thing is a bit funny. Has it been going long enough for anyone to work out whether much is paid back? Like one has to be earning over 35k to pay anything back at all and after 30 years it is written off regardless.
I don't see too many holders of "degrees in Bob Dylan", Nail Art, Dance etc ever contributing much.; he said in a reactionary sort of way.
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