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Offline Angelo222

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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2016, 06:04:27 PM »
We shall see Angelo.

As I will remind you about the 2 years minimum period needed to leave the EU, plus of course ratification. 8(*(

The work has begun already, a group of mischief makers won't stop brexit.
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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2016, 06:07:10 PM »
If we drag our heels, will the EU just get vindictive & invoke article 7?

I would not rule that out.

For reference purposes.........

What is Article 7?

Article 7 of the Lisbon Treaty was designed to uphold core the EU's core values such as democracy, freedom, human rights and rule of law.

This legal mechanism is a 'nuclear option' that allows the EU to sanction countries that reject these values by suspending their membership rights.

The EU can suspend voting rights in the European Council or access to the single market if there is a “serious and persistent breach” of the values.

But Article 7 has never been used before. A European Parliament described Article 7 as a “last resort” to deal with systematic violations.

It said: “The current mechanism is said to be unusable due to the high thresholds needed to adopt a decision in the Council, as well as Member States' political unwillingness to use it.”


http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/686923/Brexit-what-Article-7-can-EU-force-Britain-use-Article-50-leave-European-Union-referendum
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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2016, 02:44:29 PM »
No State has ever left the EU before so this is new territory for everyone involved.  Let's just get on with it!
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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2016, 03:04:27 PM »
No State has ever left the EU before so this is new territory for everyone involved.  Let's just get on with it!

You may well find, that even if we are out of the EU, there will be little change, if we still want access to the 'free market'.

There is also the matter of overturning thousands of regulations which the UK Parliament has agreed to, and which many current members will still like to keep.
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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2016, 05:08:59 PM »
You may well find, that even if we are out of the EU, there will be little change, if we still want access to the 'free market'.

There is also the matter of overturning thousands of regulations which the UK Parliament has agreed to, and which many current members will still like to keep.

That will not happen!
My money is on the UK Government passing an act which keeps all the EU inspired laws on our books with a caveat to modify as and when it becomes necessary ie if we cannot trade within the EU whatever our status.

Just as an example: a compressor your local garage may have. A compressor sitting on a buffer vessel with air blast after cooler and controls.To flog it into the EU it must comply with at least four different directives and be CE marked. That will never change.
Just to put that into perspective the UK have yet another layer of legislation for this self same set up to comply with that the EU don't have .... good innit  8(>((


 
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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2016, 09:36:56 AM »
That will not happen!
My money is on the UK Government passing an act which keeps all the EU inspired laws on our books with a caveat to modify as and when it becomes necessary ie if we cannot trade within the EU whatever our status.

Just as an example: a compressor your local garage may have. A compressor sitting on a buffer vessel with air blast after cooler and controls.To flog it into the EU it must comply with at least four different directives and be CE marked. That will never change.
Just to put that into perspective the UK have yet another layer of legislation for this self same set up to comply with that the EU don't have .... good innit  8(>((

If they try and overturn the legislation it will be anarchy.

Picking and choosing through tens of thousands of pieces of legislation is a non-starter.
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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2016, 11:22:40 AM »
If they try and overturn the legislation it will be anarchy.

Picking and choosing through tens of thousands of pieces of legislation is a non-starter.

1 In broad terms at law one cannot have a void so there has to be a law. If you repeal an EU inspired law what are you going to replace it with? Plucking two out of the air what will replace The Low Voltage Directive and The Landfill Directive and a third: The Electromagnetic Compatibility Directive cos that can be made to sound funny as in ensuring that when your missus is drying her hair the dryer is not changing satellite orbits, making aircraft fly round in circles or turning your neighbours TV on to a porn channel in the middle of Emmerdale.
 
2 Purely on the basis of the time taken to remove them and replace them as appropriate. That's why we still have strange laws remaining on our statute book. Like Marital Coercion if you remember your Chris Huhnes and Vikky Prices. Old laws like that need the judges permission.
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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2016, 10:17:04 PM »
Well, it is very unlikely to be invoked this year.  Perhaps sometime in 2017, but there will probable be a debate and vote in the HOC first.  And that could take a while. 

Then there is an (extendible) two year period of negotiation. 

French and German elections in 2017. 

Listening to political rhetoric, I wouldn't be too confident that you are going to get rid of all of us immigrants just yet either.

The ECHR will still influence UK law.

My prediction - there will be changes in the uk and in Europe but not very significant.   And the 'Brexiteers' may be a bit disappointed. 

If a week is a long time in politics - three years is eternity.  8(0(*

lol JP  I wouldn't be too sure. 8 australians 3 Newzealanders and 2 Canadians were all sent home and refused due to their not so high income. Not really the people we want to see leave at all.


Influence but not dictate, and besides it has no real teeth what can they do  send in the troops to kill us all? lol being accused of not conforming to stupid laws does not affect CHina, Russia, America,Most Muslim countries in the middle east so we don't need to wet our beds in fear.

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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2016, 06:09:09 PM »
   
The Petition: “Invoke Article 50 of The Lisbon Treaty immediately”.


The Government has responded to the petition – “Invoke Article 50 of The Lisbon Treaty immediately.”.

Government responded:

The British people have voted to leave the EU and their will must be respected and delivered. We should not trigger Article 50 until we have a UK approach and objectives.

The British people have voted to leave the EU and their will must be respected and delivered. The process for leaving the EU and determining our future relationship will be a complex one, so we need to take time to think through our objectives and approach. We want to ensure the best possible outcome for Britain and the future UK-EU relationship. As part of this, the government will of course work closely with the devolved administrations to ensure we get the best deal for the UK as a whole. We should not trigger Article 50 until we have a UK approach and objectives, so Article 50 should not be invoked before the end of this year.

Department for Exiting the European Union

Click this link to view the response online:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/133618?reveal_response=yes

This petition has over 100,000 signatures. The Petitions Committee will consider it for a debate. They can also gather further evidence and press the government for action.

The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: https://petition.parliament.uk/help#petitions-committee

Thanks,
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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2016, 06:33:56 PM »
   
The Petition: “Invoke Article 50 of The Lisbon Treaty immediately”.


The Government has responded to the petition – “Invoke Article 50 of The Lisbon Treaty immediately.”.

Government responded:

The British people have voted to leave the EU and their will must be respected and delivered. We should not trigger Article 50 until we have a UK approach and objectives.

The British people have voted to leave the EU and their will must be respected and delivered. The process for leaving the EU and determining our future relationship will be a complex one, so we need to take time to think through our objectives and approach. We want to ensure the best possible outcome for Britain and the future UK-EU relationship. As part of this, the government will of course work closely with the devolved administrations to ensure we get the best deal for the UK as a whole. We should not trigger Article 50 until we have a UK approach and objectives, so Article 50 should not be invoked before the end of this year.

Department for Exiting the European Union

Click this link to view the response online:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/133618?reveal_response=yes

This petition has over 100,000 signatures. The Petitions Committee will consider it for a debate. They can also gather further evidence and press the government for action.

The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: https://petition.parliament.uk/help#petitions-committee

Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament



...and the other petition John, how many signed that one ?  8**8:/:

4,142,932


At the last count.
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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2016, 10:45:01 AM »
4,142,932 people not happy,oh dear.Out of appx 70million- so not a majority then...again!

Due to the disgraceful weather being thrust upon us by the weather God, I was forced to watch people running,swimming,jumping , and throwing things ( some of them were tantrums)! My friends ,neighbours and fellow WET barbequers were horrified when someone we didn't like very much won a gold medal. I mean it was a total disaster, you can't imagine how that changed our lives, so we all wrote to the Olympic committee and demanded they remove the 'winner' and take back the medal. We are hoping for a really great outcome" DEAD PAN OLYMPIC FANS LIVES MATTER". Has a bit of a ring to it. now where did I put my semi automatic...

For those who don't do humour or irony...move along> nothing to see here.

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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2016, 10:49:19 AM »
lol JP  I wouldn't be too sure. 8 australians 3 Newzealanders and 2 Canadians were all sent home and refused due to their not so high income. Not really the people we want to see leave at all.


Influence but not dictate, and besides it has no real teeth what can they do  send in the troops to kill us all? lol being accused of not conforming to stupid laws does not affect CHina, Russia, America,Most Muslim countries in the middle east so we don't need to wet our beds in fear.

Yeh we shouldn't even take notice of the 'right to family law' when the family consists of 28 people! all living on benefits needing to be housed and breaking our other laws...

No fear for you JP I will marry you if you are going to be deported. I am difficult to live with according to my teenagers who hate me.  8**8:/: 8(>((

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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2016, 09:43:55 PM »
4,142,932 people not happy,oh dear.Out of appx 70million- so not a majority then...again!

Due to the disgraceful weather being thrust upon us by the weather God, I was forced to watch people running,swimming,jumping , and throwing things ( some of them were tantrums)! My friends ,neighbours and fellow WET barbequers were horrified when someone we didn't like very much won a gold medal. I mean it was a total disaster, you can't imagine how that changed our lives, so we all wrote to the Olympic committee and demanded they remove the 'winner' and take back the medal. We are hoping for a really great outcome" DEAD PAN OLYMPIC FANS LIVES MATTER". Has a bit of a ring to it. now where did I put my semi automatic...

For those who don't do humour or irony...move along> nothing to see here.

Neither did a majority of the electorate vote for Brexit. 

I wonder how many voting for Brexit actually understood what they were voting for. £5%4%
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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2016, 06:47:07 PM »
Neither did a majority of the electorate vote for Brexit. 

I wonder how many voting for Brexit actually understood what they were voting for. £5%4%

The majority of those who did vote won, if 4 million are not happy then they do not have the right to overturn a majority vote, and why should they have that right, because if they won  then the Brexiteers will have another court case with more than 4 million I suspect, to over turn their vote.. if that is how you see this working... lol

I am sure from what I have observed-Many Brexiteers were not paying any attention to party politics,and were very aware of what they were voting for. The EU is not what we signed up for, The Government of the day led  without a mandate from the people to opt into a larger government which is unaccountable, expensive, and not elected by the people they 'rule'.

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Re: Invoking Article 50
« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2016, 10:25:17 AM »
Bump Post 19 above !

The government will also enshrine all existing EU law into British law.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37532364
So what does a Brexit look like now?
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