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Offline Alfie

Re: South Yorkshire Police end latest search for Ben Needham.
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2016, 11:03:33 PM »
From the official Find Ben Needham facebook page:

Help Find Ben Needham
Yesterday at 12:27
South Yorkshire Police, Operation Ben team, the Hellenic Search and Rescue team, huge thank you to each and everyone of you.
Also to the media that has followed the case of missing Ben Needham for the last 25 years and special thank you to the ITV Calendar News team who have been consistently by the Needham family's side since the beginning in 1991. xXx
-----------**picture copyright ITVCalendarNews**----------
Please everyone remember the items found will now be analysed,
so although there may seem to be no answers as yet hopefully we should have news on what exactly was found soon.
This search wasn't done on a whim after just ONE witness statement.
The Operation Ben team were already following this line of enquiry after going through 25 years of information and witness statements.
The new witness statement just corroborated the info SYP already had and was a targeted search - not a wild goose chase.
The Police and the Hellenic Search and Rescue team have our utmost respect and can't really thank them enough.
As Kerry has already said- they are heroes.
The Hellenic Search and Rescue team are all volunteers , please donate if you can via the link
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/hannah-bryan
The police will brief media tomorrow xXx
#BenNeedham #HelpFindBen
Only asking questions....here's one:

Goncalo Amaral's book is full of blatant untruths and  demonstrates a willful misunderstanding of the evidence.  Apparently it's libellous to say so - but why so when it is true?

Offline mercury

Re: South Yorkshire Police end latest search for Ben Needham.
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2016, 11:10:19 PM »
Why were cadaver dogs not employed to find his grave?
When we are led to believe that the jcb driver accidentally killed him and buried his body nearby?
That action is more or less a standard one


This case remains in the air as far as Im concerned

whatever Mr Cousins decrees

If there is real intelligence and proof he should have declared every detail...poor...3/10
« Last Edit: October 17, 2016, 11:25:05 PM by mercury »

Online John

Re: South Yorkshire Police end latest search for Ben Needham.
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2016, 01:27:51 AM »
Why were cadaver dogs not employed to find his grave?
When we are led to believe that the jcb driver accidentally killed him and buried his body nearby?
That action is more or less a standard one


This case remains in the air as far as Im concerned

whatever Mr Cousins decrees

If there is real intelligence and proof he should have declared every detail...poor...3/10

I agree mercury and it will only be a matter of time before the Needhams come to realise this too.  I have seen situations like this develop many time previously and I'm very sure they are extremely grateful for the help which South Yorkshire Police have afforded them albeit 25 years too late.  In the meantime they need time to pause for thought and to remember Ben.  Our blessings are with them.

This case is far from solved.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2016, 02:00:15 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. John Lamberton exposes malfeasance by public officials.
Check out my website >   http://johnlamberton.webs.com/index.htm?no_redirect=true     The truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline mercury

Re: South Yorkshire Police end latest search for Ben Needham.
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2016, 02:00:50 AM »
Not sure john how anyone is allowing cousins to get away with that pile of crap oh well

No evidence of a fatal accident
No evidence of a cover up burial
No body

Youd thnk police would  have an iota of evidence...where is it!

And the elephant in the room is why no cadaver dogs?

Why were they employed in the MM case and not HERE when a known relevant place was identified?

whats the matter with these people???
« Last Edit: October 18, 2016, 02:04:49 AM by mercury »

Online John

Re: South Yorkshire Police end latest search for Ben Needham.
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2016, 03:11:32 AM »
A small Matchbox toy car similiar to that depicted below and believed to have been in the possession of the missing child shortly before his disappearance was found at the secondary tipping site some half mile away from the family home.  No sign of the missing child was found by the searchers.

The suggestion by British police that Ben was run over by a mechanical digger remains an unproven possibility among many possibilities despite the media frenzy for a big headline.


« Last Edit: October 18, 2016, 03:20:29 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. John Lamberton exposes malfeasance by public officials.
Check out my website >   http://johnlamberton.webs.com/index.htm?no_redirect=true     The truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Alfie

Re: South Yorkshire Police end latest search for Ben Needham.
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2016, 08:13:14 AM »
A small Matchbox toy car similiar to that depicted below and believed to have been in the possession of the missing child shortly before his disappearance was found at the secondary tipping site some half mile away from the family home.  No sign of the missing child was found by the searchers.

The suggestion by British police that Ben was run over by a mechanical digger remains an unproven possibility among many possibilities despite the media frenzy for a big headline.



Your explanation that Ben may have buried this toy (where?) on the day he went missing and then it just so happened to turn up half a mile a way in a place where the digger driver's accusers suggested he may have disposed of the body (unwittingly or otherwise) is stretching credibility.  I would describe it as very strong circumstantial evidence to support the accusers' claims.
Only asking questions....here's one:

Goncalo Amaral's book is full of blatant untruths and  demonstrates a willful misunderstanding of the evidence.  Apparently it's libellous to say so - but why so when it is true?

Offline Alfie

Re: South Yorkshire Police end latest search for Ben Needham.
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2016, 08:17:10 AM »
One can't help but think that if only the Met had people from this forum advising them on how to conduct their searches all these missing people cases would have been solved years ago!
Only asking questions....here's one:

Goncalo Amaral's book is full of blatant untruths and  demonstrates a willful misunderstanding of the evidence.  Apparently it's libellous to say so - but why so when it is true?

Offline Angelo222

Re: South Yorkshire Police end latest search for Ben Needham.
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2016, 11:54:49 AM »
Your explanation that Ben may have buried this toy (where?) on the day he went missing and then it just so happened to turn up half a mile a way in a place where the digger driver's accusers suggested he may have disposed of the body (unwittingly or otherwise) is stretching credibility.  I would describe it as very strong circumstantial evidence to support the accusers' claims.

I'm catching up on events today but it isn't rocket science to work out that the toy car was probably left in a spoil heap by the old farmhouse and later moved when rubble was transferred to the secondary tip.  All very innocent of course and in no way by itself implicates anyone in any crime imo.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2016, 12:01:10 PM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Angelo222

Re: South Yorkshire Police end latest search for Ben Needham.
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2016, 12:05:17 PM »
One can't help but think that if only the Met had people from this forum advising them on how to conduct their searches all these missing people cases would have been solved years ago!

It has taken 25 years to reach this point which in itself is disgraceful.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Online John

Re: South Yorkshire Police end latest search for Ben Needham.
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2016, 12:24:14 PM »
I'm catching up on events today but it isn't rocket science to work out that the toy car was probably left in a spoil heap by the old farmhouse and later moved when rubble was transferred to the secondary tip.  All very innocent of course and in no way by itself implicates anyone in any crime imo.

The biggest problem I have with DCI Cousins and his 'professional belief' is that it is not based on actual proof of any sort. It is merely an opinion, he no more knows what happened to Ben than any of us do.  In time Ben's family will come to see this.

Speaking on ITV this morning, Ben's sister Leigh-Anna Needham laughed off any suggestion that the discovery of a toy car would bring the investigation to an end.  She added that many children had stayed on the site over the last 25 years and that the family weren't even sure if the toy found actually belonged to Ben never mind the suggestion that it was in his possession the day he disappeared.  Leigh-Anna has sworn to continue the search for her missing brother and admits to being disappointed at the outcome after having been told by police to prepare for the worst.

http://www.itv.com/goodmorningbritain/news/ben-needhams-sister-leigh-anna-we-arent-completely-sure-the-car-is-his





« Last Edit: October 18, 2016, 01:58:58 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. John Lamberton exposes malfeasance by public officials.
Check out my website >   http://johnlamberton.webs.com/index.htm?no_redirect=true     The truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Alfie

Re: South Yorkshire Police end latest search for Ben Needham.
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2016, 01:49:54 PM »
I'm catching up on events today but it isn't rocket science to work out that the toy car was probably left in a spoil heap by the old farmhouse and later moved when rubble was transferred to the secondary tip.  All very innocent of course and in no way by itself implicates anyone in any crime imo.
How was it "probably left in a spoil heap by the old farmhouse?"  If Ben had the toy with him at the time of his disappearance how is your scenario MORE probable than that he had an accident and his remains buried elsewhere?  After all, you're a keen believer in a similar fate befalling Madeleine McCann but curiously resistant to the idea that it happened to Ben?  Can you explain how you arrived at your "not rocket science" conclusion, particularly as you don't know all the facts of this case?
Only asking questions....here's one:

Goncalo Amaral's book is full of blatant untruths and  demonstrates a willful misunderstanding of the evidence.  Apparently it's libellous to say so - but why so when it is true?

Offline Alfie

Re: South Yorkshire Police end latest search for Ben Needham.
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2016, 01:50:35 PM »
It has taken 25 years to reach this point which in itself is disgraceful.
And who is to blame for that?
Only asking questions....here's one:

Goncalo Amaral's book is full of blatant untruths and  demonstrates a willful misunderstanding of the evidence.  Apparently it's libellous to say so - but why so when it is true?

Offline Alfie

Re: South Yorkshire Police end latest search for Ben Needham.
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2016, 01:52:05 PM »
The biggest problem I have with DCI Cousins and his 'professional belief' is that it is not based on actual proof of any sort. It is merely an opinion, he no more knows what happened to Ben than any of us do.  In time Ben's family will come to see this.

Speaking on ITV this morning, Ben's sister Leigh-Anna Needham laughed off any suggestion that the discovery of a toy car would bring the investigation to an end.  She added that many children had stayed on the site over the last 25 years and that the family weren't even sure if the toy found actually belonged to Ben never mind the suggestion that it was in his possession the day he disappeared.  Leigh-Anna has sworn to continue the search for her missing brother and admits to being disappointed at the outcome after having been told by police to prepare for the worst.

http://www.itv.com/goodmorningbritain/news/ben-needhams-sister-leigh-anna-we-arent-completely-sure-the-car-is-his
Well that does put a different complexion on it, admittedly.
Only asking questions....here's one:

Goncalo Amaral's book is full of blatant untruths and  demonstrates a willful misunderstanding of the evidence.  Apparently it's libellous to say so - but why so when it is true?

Offline Angelo222

Re: South Yorkshire Police end latest search for Ben Needham.
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2016, 02:42:43 PM »
How was it "probably left in a spoil heap by the old farmhouse?"  If Ben had the toy with him at the time of his disappearance how is your scenario MORE probable than that he had an accident and his remains buried elsewhere?  After all, you're a keen believer in a similar fate befalling Madeleine McCann but curiously resistant to the idea that it happened to Ben?  Can you explain how you arrived at your "not rocket science" conclusion, particularly as you don't know all the facts of this case?

The little car was lost to the spoil heap by a child, it happens all the time when kids take their small cars outside to play.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Angelo222

Re: South Yorkshire Police end latest search for Ben Needham.
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2016, 02:43:36 PM »
And who is to blame for that?

UK authorities who failed to carry out this work decades ago.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!