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Offline Myster

I'm still waiting for Samson to come up with some excuse for casings DRH13 and 14 to have landed on the wrong side of the staircase when expelled from a rifle fired from the upper landing down at Nevill Bamber standing on the lower landing/winders, when anyone with normal 3D vision can see they would have flown over the handrail and onto the main straight flight below.
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Re: Nevill's initial gunshot wounds to his face, shoulder and elbow.
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2017, 03:59:05 PM »
I'm still waiting for Samson to come up with some excuse for casings DRH13 and 14 to have landed on the wrong side of the staircase when expelled from a rifle fired from the upper landing down at Nevill Bamber standing on the lower landing/winders, when anyone with normal 3D vision can see they would have flown over the handrail and onto the main straight flight below.

As far as I can see NB was on the main staircase facing down towards the hall/front door with the perp behind and casings DRH13 and 14 flew over or through the handrail.   In MF's trial testimony he said they can travel up to 4 feet although personally I find him the least reliable of the expert witnesses.   
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Re: Nevill's initial gunshot wounds to his face, shoulder and elbow.
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2017, 04:43:09 PM »
As far as I can see NB was on the main staircase facing down towards the hall/front door with the perp behind and casings DRH13 and 14 flew over or through the handrail.   In MF's trial testimony he said they can travel up to 4 feet although personally I find him the least reliable of the expert witnesses.
The track of the bullet in Nevill's shoulder wound was almost vertical, so the rifle must also have been held pointing downwards at a similar angle, had he been shot on the stairs. If the perp was firing from the winders, the two ejected casings might indeed fly over the banister rail or through the spindles of the main flight, but down onto the hall carpet below, not up to land on the metal strip at the bedroom door and against the lower landing skirting board.
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Re: Nevill's initial gunshot wounds to his face, shoulder and elbow.
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2017, 05:26:52 PM »
The track of the bullet in Nevill's shoulder wound was almost vertical, so the rifle must also have been held pointing downwards at a similar angle, had he been shot on the stairs. If the perp was firing from the winders, the two ejected casings might indeed fly over the banister rail or through the spindles of the main flight, but down onto the hall carpet below, not up to land on the metal strip at the bedroom door and against the lower landing skirting board.
The elbow shot causes his arm to fly forwards. Try lifting your arm to horizontal and look at where a shoulder shot tracks.

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Re: Nevill's initial gunshot wounds to his face, shoulder and elbow.
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2017, 05:50:25 PM »
The elbow shot causes his arm to fly forwards. Try lifting your arm to horizontal and look at where a shoulder shot tracks.
Just as easily achieved if Nevill was sitting on the bed about to get up, was shot in the left elbow and his left arm flew forwards before receiving the second shot.
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Re: Nevill's initial gunshot wounds to his face, shoulder and elbow.
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2017, 06:02:33 PM »
The track of the bullet in Nevill's shoulder wound was almost vertical, so the rifle must also have been held pointing downwards at a similar angle, had he been shot on the stairs. If the perp was firing from the winders, the two ejected casings might indeed fly over the banister rail or through the spindles of the main flight, but down onto the hall carpet below, not up to land on the metal strip at the bedroom door and against the lower landing skirting board.

Here's Dr Vanezis' trial testimony, he refers to the track of the gsw to NB's shoulder (gsw 7) as downwards and 1 1/4" below the point of the shoulder.  He agrees it was fired from above but I guess this could mean the perp was above as in on the stairs and elevated.

It is really impossible to say exactly where casings could poetentially land without testing.  Clearly the defence (and prosecution) should have attempted a soc reconstruction with dummy bullets.  There's no doubt in my mind that at some stage this will happen.  A crack team will be sent into WHF to carry out a reconstruction.

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/appref/Gun_crime_Firearm_related_crime_scenes_final.pdf

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2906541/Forensic-holodeck-recreates-crimes-3D-Oculus-Rift-help-judges-jurors-explore-scenes-trials.html
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Re: Nevill's initial gunshot wounds to his face, shoulder and elbow.
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2017, 06:22:30 PM »
Here's Dr Vanezis' trial testimony, he refers to the track of the gsw to NB's shoulder (gsw 7) as downwards and 1 1/4" below the point of the shoulder.  He agrees it was fired from above but I guess this could mean the perp was above as in on the stairs and elevated.

It is really impossible to say exactly where casings could poetentially land without testing.  Clearly the defence (and prosecution) should have attempted a soc reconstruction with dummy bullets.  There's no doubt in my mind that at some stage this will happen.  A crack team will be sent into WHF to carry out a reconstruction.

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/appref/Gun_crime_Firearm_related_crime_scenes_final.pdf

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2906541/Forensic-holodeck-recreates-crimes-3D-Oculus-Rift-help-judges-jurors-explore-scenes-trials.html

The perp was above Nevill when he was sitting on the bed, who then might have leaned backward first (when he received the elbow and shoulder shots) in order to push himself out and up onto his feet.

If the crack team includes pneumatic Farm Girl in a bikini, then I'm all for it... providing we get to see the video.
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Re: Nevill's initial gunshot wounds to his face, shoulder and elbow.
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2017, 06:41:24 PM »
The perp was above Nevill when he was sitting on the bed, who then might have leaned backward first (when he received the elbow and shoulder shots) in order to push himself out and up onto his feet.

If the crack team includes pneumatic Farm Girl in a bikini, then I'm all for it... providing we get to see the video.

But if NB sustained the gsw's to his face, shoulder and elbow whilst in bed or in the process of getting out of how does one account for the casings on the landing and transition strip?

I was rather thinking of a crack team comprising hunky marines as in SEAL or SAS.   

 
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Re: Nevill's initial gunshot wounds to his face, shoulder and elbow.
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2017, 07:17:08 PM »
But if NB sustained the gsw's to his face, shoulder and elbow whilst in bed or in the process of getting out of how does one account for the casings on the landing and transition strip?

I was rather thinking of a crack team comprising hunky marines as in SEAL or SAS.
Maybe bounced back off the door or thrown off the bedding when June got up, then kicked there by anyone during the fracas. Might even go with the original police theory that they were from the two head shots which June received whilst lying supine on the floor by the door. Or even that DRH14 was the lost fourth casing from the kitchen which became stove-pipe jammed and only released on the lower landing by the perp as HE came back upstairs.
‘Somebody in this case is lying, and lying their heads off.’ Anthony Arlidge QC, closing speech at the Bamber trial, 22 October 1986