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Offline carlymichelle

Gerry and Kate's reaction to sniffer dogs hitting on McCann holiday apartment and rental car 'didn't make sense'
Mark Saunokonoko
By Mark Saunokonoko
http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/03/20/14/18/madeleine-mccann-cadaver-sniffer-dogs-reaction-apartment-car-didnt-make-sense


The footage of sniffer dogs searching the McCann's holiday apartment and rental car was one of the most jarring moments to emerge from the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine.

Gerry and Kate McCann, who resolutely claim Maddie was abducted, have always questioned the reliability and objectivity of British dogs Eddie and Keela, despite their impressive credentials.

During those searches, Eddie, a cadaver dog trained to detect the odour of a dead body, is seen alerting and barking in Kate and Gerry's bedroom of holiday apartment 5A.

Eddie also "hits" and barks loudly behind a blue couch in the living room of the Praia da Luz apartment where the McCann family stayed in 2007.

A second sniffer dog, Keela, trained only to detect human blood, also alerted behind the couch.

Six days later, on August 6, both dogs alerted on a Renault Scenic rental car the McCann's hired 25 days after Madeleine vanished.
Gerry and Kate McCann pass a poster displaying their missing daughter Madeleine in the area of the beach resort of Lagos 13 May 2007, in Praia da Luz.

Gerry and Kate McCann pass a poster displaying their missing daughter Madeleine in the area of the beach resort of Lagos 13 May 2007, in Praia da Luz. Source: AFP

Though the work of cadaver and blood dogs cannot be submitted as evidence, investigators hoped Eddie and Keela would provide crucial clues as to what might have happened to Maddie on May 3.

Just days after the dogs finished searching, the McCanns were sensationally named 'arguidos'  (a person being questioned under caution) by Portugal's Policia Judiciaria. Ten months later, Kate and Gerry were cleared of 'arguido' status.

US criminal profiler Pat Brown, who for almost a decade has studied the case and written extensively on Madeleine's disappearance, described Kate and Gerry's reaction to the sniffer dogs as "just not right".

"What dogs do is either help you find a body or they help you understand what happened to a body or that there has been a body there," Brown told Nine.com.au.

"[The McCann's] reaction to the dogs hitting on things, their reaction and behaviour was incorrect. It didn't make sense," Brown claimed.

Brown believed it strange that the McCann's did not appear "very concerned" that the work of the dogs indicated a dead body had been in their Algarve holiday apartment.
Kate McCann the mother of the missing three-year-old girl Madeleine McCann, stop to talk to the press after attending a church service in Praia da Luz, southern Portugal, 06 May 2007.

Kate McCann, mother of missing Madeleine, stops to talk to the press after attending a church service in Praia da Luz, southern Portugal, 06 May 2007. Source: AFP

The crime expert, who as part of her repertoire analyses human behaviour, pointed out that the McCanns could just be "off the charts as an anomaly" when it comes to ways people might typically react to events. Brown added it was in no way a singular sign of anything untoward.

Another possible explanation, unrelated to Brown's analysis, was that Kate and Gerry simply could not bring themselves to concede Maddie had died.

During a 2009 television interview with Portuguese journalist Sandra Felgueira, Gerry McCann was asked about the cadaver dogs alerting to the scent of a dead body in apartment 5A and their rental car.

"I can tell you that we've obviously looked at evidence about cadaver dogs and they're incredibly unreliable," McCann replied.

Kate McCann made similar assertions in the book she wrote about her family's ordeal, titled Madeleine.

Sniffer dogs Eddie and Keela had been brought to Praia da Luz in July 2007 at the request of Mark Harrison, a British investigator and national adviser to UK police, who specialises in searching for people missing, abducted or murdered.
Portuguese police assisted by dogs search for missing 3-year old British girl Madeleine McCann the day after she vanished.

Portuguese police assisted by dogs search for missing 3-year old British girl Madeleine McCann the day after she vanished. Source: AFP

Harrison's remit from Portugal's Policia Judiciaria was to solely explore the possibility that Madeleine had been murdered and her body was concealed in surrounding areas, according to police files.

In one of his preliminary reports, Harrison said any alerts by the dogs may suggest that a body had been in the property and then removed. He added "no inference can be drawn as to whether a human cadaver has previously been in any location without other supporting physical evidence".

As Harrison delivered his report, Policia Judiciaria were submitting and awaiting results on forensic evidence taken from behind the sofa in apartment 5A and the boot of the Renault car.

A British scientist from the now defunct Forensic Science Service, John Lowe, came back to Portugal's detectives with forensic results that appeared inconclusive but open to interpretation.

In a September 3, 2007 email, Lowe stated the swab taken from behind the sofa produced an "incomplete DNA result".

However, Lowe continued: "All of the confirmed DNA components within this result match the corresponding components in the DNA profile of Madeline McCann".
Madeleine McCann, missing since 3 May 2007. Source: AFP

Madeleine McCann, missing since 3 May 2007. Source: AFP

Lowe said his testing of the swab from behind the sofa could not determine what kind of bodily fluid made up the DNA sample.

But, as would be later noted by the handler of sniffer dog Keela, his canine was only trained to alert to human blood, nothing else.

The forensics taken from the boot of the Renault Scenic was judged by Lowe to be "too complex for meaningful inclusion and interpretation".

However, Lowe also concluded that 15 of 19 components present in the sample could be linked to Madeleine.

Though "complex", the forensic results from the rental car mean it was possible that Madeleine may have been present in the Renault Scenic.

In his book, Goncalo Amaral, the Portuguese detective the McCanns tried to silence, said his team confirmed nobody had ever died in apartment 5A, prior to the arrival of Madeleine's family.

Martin Grime, the handler of cadaver dog Eddie, said the dog appeared immediately "very excited" when they arrived at the door of 5A.

"As soon [Eddie] has come into the house he's picked up a scent that he recognises," Grimes said in a police interview in August 2007.

He detailed how the dog barked in two places in the apartment, in the bedroom close to a large wardrobe with shelves, and behind the sofa.

"What we should understand with this dog is that he only barks when he finds something, he won't bark at any other times. He won't bark at other dogs, he won't bark at strangers, he won't bark when somebody knocks on the door or anything like that," Grimes said in the interview.

Grimes also added in the police report that the work of his dogs Eddie and Keela should be backed up and confirmed with corroborating evidence, such as forensics.

Cadaver dogs are used widely by Australian police forces to locate dead and missing bodies, according to NSW Dog Unit Commander, Acting Superintendent Sheridan Waldau.

A/Supt Waldau told Nine.com.au he was unsure how cadaver dogs were used in the McCann case, but that his unit can "detect minute amounts of blood or remains across large designated area".

"Cadaver dogs have proven vital to uncovering evidence in past investigations," he added.

Several studies have tried to pinpoint the minimum length of time it takes for a dead body to emit a cadaver odour.

A 2007 study from the University of Bern in Switzerland recorded highly trained dogs accurately alerting to cadaver scent within three hours of a person dying.

Other studies have shown human corpses with begin to emit cadaver that dogs can detect within 90 minutes of death.

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« Last Edit: March 20, 2017, 07:25:23 AM by carlymichelle »

Offline carlymichelle

 8(0(* our australian media are on a roll with pat i agree  with everything in this article  none of it  isnt true  IMO im proud of our australian media
« Last Edit: March 20, 2017, 07:38:35 AM by carlymichelle »

Online Eleanor

8(0(* our australian media are on a roll with pat i agree  with everything in this article  none of it  isnt true  IMO im proud of our australian media

Perhaps you should try reading it again.

Offline Robittybob1

8(0(* our australian media are on a roll with pat i agree  with everything in this article  none of it  isnt true  IMO im proud of our australian media
What is this with the double negative?  "none of it  isn't true"   Is not true = false.   "none of it is false"  Is that what you meant?
What are you doing to find Madeleine?

Online davel

Everything in this article has been discussed and discredited many times
Pat and the Australians are way behind the times
as experienced investigators...based on the evidence...we believe Madeleine McCann was removed from the apartment by a stranger....DCI Redwood...Scotland Yard

Neither the McCanns nor their friend are persons of interest or suspects

If civil questions are being asked can we have the courtesy to provide civil answers.

Offline carlymichelle

what i mean is  what the resporter wrote all of it is true  they cant be  sued by gerry and kate they used facts

Offline carlymichelle

Everything in this article has been discussed and discredited many times
Pat and the Australians are way behind the times

 @)(++(* you would  say that also our australian police etc trust dogs like eddie and keela

Offline stephen25000

what i mean is  what the resporter wrote all of it is true  they cant be  sued by gerry and kate they used facts

Sorry Carly, amended. 8((()*/
« Last Edit: March 20, 2017, 07:52:17 AM by stephen25000 »
The McCanns were solely responsible for their childcare arrangements and there is no one else to blame.

S and S, two more amateurs making money from a disappeared child, and clearly without a clue.

Offline carlymichelle

The dogs indicated.

FACT.

That is why you and others, not even counting the McCann's are fixated with the dogs, and that says everything.

NM
« Last Edit: March 20, 2017, 07:53:33 AM by carlymichelle »

Online davel

The dogs indicated.

FACT.

That is why you and others, not even counting the McCann's are fixated with the dogs, and that says everything.

It isn't me who has started another dog thread

The alerts are not evidence of a cadaver in the apartment
The DNA recovered is not evidence Maddie was ever in the car
Those are the facts
The article is total BS
as experienced investigators...based on the evidence...we believe Madeleine McCann was removed from the apartment by a stranger....DCI Redwood...Scotland Yard

Neither the McCanns nor their friend are persons of interest or suspects

If civil questions are being asked can we have the courtesy to provide civil answers.

Offline Robittybob1

what i mean is  what the resporter wrote all of it is true  they cant be  sued by gerry and kate they used facts
It might be true but it wasn't very well written.
What are you doing to find Madeleine?

Offline stephen25000

Everything in this article has been discussed and discredited many times
Pat and the Australians are way behind the times

The dogs indicated.

FACT.

That is why you and others, not even counting the McCann's are fixated with the dogs, and that says everything.
The McCanns were solely responsible for their childcare arrangements and there is no one else to blame.

S and S, two more amateurs making money from a disappeared child, and clearly without a clue.

Offline stephen25000

It isn't me who has started another dog thread

The alerts are not evidence of a cadaver in the apartment
The DNA recovered is not evidence Maddie was ever in the car
Those are the facts
The article is total BS

That is what you would like the world to believe.

Trouble is, the dogs indications don't go away.
The McCanns were solely responsible for their childcare arrangements and there is no one else to blame.

S and S, two more amateurs making money from a disappeared child, and clearly without a clue.

Offline carlymichelle

The dogs indicated.

FACT.

That is why you and others, not even counting the McCann's are fixated with the dogs, and that says everything.

i  think our australian media are being very brave publishing all this it is good  imo

Offline carlymichelle

That is what you would like the world to believe.

Trouble is, the dogs indications don't go away.

the  world  is waking up now isnt it