Author Topic: Gerry and Kate's reaction to sniffer dogs didnt make sense new ninemsn article  (Read 4405 times)

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Offline Robittybob1

Gerry McCann repeated what he said he did at 9.05 on 3rd May. Does that mean he actually did that on 3rd May at 9.05? Not according to Rachael Oldfield;

After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm, Gerry McCann went to check, only his apartment. He was held up for nearly 10 minutes because, he said, he had been chatting with Jes about tennis.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD.htm
Well that makes it even less likely the cadaver odour came from Madeleine.
What are you doing to find Madeleine?

Offline Robittybob1

She wasn't there bob. 8(*(
How do you know she wasn't there at the time of making the documentary?
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Offline G-Unit

Well that makes it even less likely the cadaver odour came from Madeleine.

Do you think investigators always believe everything people tell them?
Accept nothing
Believe no-one
Confirm everything

Offline Robittybob1

Do you think investigators always believe everything people tell them?
No, but they seemed to take a lot of notice of Rachel Mampilly.  Did she have Portuguese heritage?
« Last Edit: March 21, 2017, 06:58:46 AM by Robittybob1 »
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The world loves a trier  @)(++(*
Pathetic comment, address the post not the poster.
Only asking questions....

Offline Benice

Given that I'm not a lawyer in Portugal, that one is a non-starter.

As to whether the person who allegedly advised her to keep quiet is an idiot, that is a separate matter.

Kate is allegedly intelligent, therefore she should be able to decide what was/is in Madeleine's best interests.  I'm just not seeing it.

Kate did decide.    She knew that if an innocent person was in prison then the guilty party would still be at large and no-one would be searching for her daughter.     Therefore on the advice of her lawyer she took the route that minimised the possibility of the wrong  person (herself) being charged  - and protected Madeleine's right to continue to be searched for as a living, missing person and not dismissed as a dead one.

You only have to read the 48 questions to know that finding a reason to pin the crime on Kate was the PJ's objective.

Kate's 'crime' appears by some to be that she took the excellent advice of her  lawyer.     Bizarre.

IMO

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline The Singularity

I still don't understand the fascination people have with the dogs, they are tools to find forensic evidence for processing. Yes the dogs alerted, they did their job in that capacity but didn't identify areas of forensic value. So essentially, what they were brought in for in this case didn't advance the investigation.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Kate did decide.    She knew that if an innocent person was in prison then the guilty party would still be at large and no-one would be searching for her daughter.     Therefore on the advice of her lawyer she took the route that minimised the possibility of the wrong  person (herself) being charged  - and protected Madeleine's right to continue to be searched for as a living, missing person and not dismissed as a dead one.

You only have to read the 48 questions to know that finding a reason to pin the crime on Kate was the PJ's objective.

Kate's 'crime' appears by some to be that she took the excellent advice of her  lawyer.     Bizarre.

IMO
This has, AFAIK, several assumptions built in.

Is there a source other than Kate saying she was advised not to answer?

Was she advised question by question?  Given that she refused to answer some questions but chose to answer others.  Who advised/decided which were OK to answer?

It matters not a jot what you think the PJs motive was.  Kate had the opportunity to refute any case the PJ made and chose not to do so.  Kate had the opportunity to advance the search for Madeleine by clarifying what happened, and she chose not to do so.

It was Madeleine who got a rough deal out of this approach.
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Offline Robittybob1

This has, AFAIK, several assumptions built in.

Is there a source other than Kate saying she was advised not to answer?

Was she advised question by question?  Given that she refused to answer some questions but chose to answer others.  Who advised/decided which were OK to answer?

It matters not a jot what you think the PJs motive was.  Kate had the opportunity to refute any case the PJ made and chose not to do so.  Kate had the opportunity to advance the search for Madeleine by clarifying what happened, and she chose not to do so.

It was Madeleine who got a rough deal out of this approach.
Not many posts upset me but anyone believing answering these questions was designed to assist the search for Madeleine is alien to me.
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Online Alfie

This has, AFAIK, several assumptions built in.

Is there a source other than Kate saying she was advised not to answer?

Was she advised question by question?  Given that she refused to answer some questions but chose to answer others.  Who advised/decided which were OK to answer?

It matters not a jot what you think the PJs motive was.  Kate had the opportunity to refute any case the PJ made and chose not to do so.  Kate had the opportunity to advance the search for Madeleine by clarifying what happened, and she chose not to do so.

It was Madeleine who got a rough deal out of this approach.
What areas of what happened had Kate not already clarified to the PJ before, do you think?  Gerry answered all the questions put to him - how did that help the PJ to find out what happened to Madeleine?
Only asking questions....

Offline ShiningInLuz

Not many posts upset me but anyone believing answering these questions was designed to assist the search for Madeleine is alien to me.
Why does one care if one assesses the questions as 'designed to assist' or not?  The opportunity existed for Kate to influence PJ thinking.  She did not take it.  Or rather, her influence was negative.

I had a rather curious incident about a month ago.  I was 'accused' by a neighbour of ringing his door bell and then departing.  Quite clearly, my neighbour believed I had done this.  I took the opportunity to assert that I had not touched his door bell (which was true) and he was forced to accept this.  What he thinks internally - who knows.

Kate's situation was the same, though obviously more important.  If she had done a Gerry and answered all the questions, then it may have influenced the investigation in a positive manner.  As she didn't answer most of the questions, we will never know.
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Offline The Singularity


Kate's situation was the same, though obviously more important.  If she had done a Gerry and answered all the questions, then it may have influenced the investigation in a positive manner.  As she didn't answer most of the questions, we will never know.

It's not really, if your neighbor still didn't believe you they wouldn't be able to detain you or keep hauling you into the house asking the same questions in different ways. Plus a life wasn't at stake it's just a door bell

Offline Benice

This has, AFAIK, several assumptions built in.

Is there a source other than Kate saying she was advised not to answer?

Was she advised question by question?  Given that she refused to answer some questions but chose to answer others.  Who advised/decided which were OK to answer?

It matters not a jot what you think the PJs motive was.  Kate had the opportunity to refute any case the PJ made and chose not to do so.  Kate had the opportunity to advance the search for Madeleine by clarifying what happened, and she chose not to do so.

It was Madeleine who got a rough deal out of this approach.

I'm afraid my faith in the PJ to accept any answers that didn't suit their agenda is zero.

We are dealing with police officers who actually consider that wearing a black top is a sign of guilt and who changed the whole direction of a case on the strength of a dream.   It would appear from some of the questions that 'gossip' is also considered to be important.

If that is what constitutes evidence to the PJ then it hardly inspires confidence in Kate getting a fair hearing IMO.

Their objective was to find a reason to pin the crime on Kate.   Anyone who thinks she should have helped them to do that needs a reality check IMO.

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Online Alfie

To make SIL's situation more realistic we would need for the neighbour to contact the PT press and feed them some made up stories about their mad next door neighbour with a doorbell fetish and stalking tendencies, and for the whole of PdL to be convinced that they have a dangerous weirdo living in their midst, perhaps with a campaign to get them removed from town or arrested thrown in for good measure, a few daubed traffic signs maybe....
Only asking questions....

Offline ShiningInLuz

What areas of what happened had Kate not already clarified to the PJ before, do you think?  Gerry answered all the questions put to him - how did that help the PJ to find out what happened to Madeleine?
Are you being serious?

Given that Kate is on record as one short interview on 4 May plus half an interview the day before being made an arguido, given that Kate made the discovery, the answer to your first question is blindingly obvious.

Gerry's influence on the PJ thinking is not on file.  We could play the speculation game on that point all day long and not make progress.  However, Kate is the one alleged to have discovered Madeleine's disappearance, so her evidence was critical.

It was an opportunity to progress the search for the truth about Madeleine.  Madeleine's mother balked at this opportunity.
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