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Offline Carana

Re: Anni Dewani - Motive and Method
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2013, 10:19:37 AM »
What was the origin of this gay escort story?

It is anything more than a guy thinking he could make money out of the tabloids?


Leopold Leisser, a German-born, gay escort, has sold his story to a tabloid newspaper in which he claimed that he had had sex with Mr Dewani three times – although on the dates in question Mr Dewani has gathered evidence to show he was not in Birmingham or London where the encounters are supposed to have taken place.

He is planning to sue for libel over the claim. Mr Leisser, whose hotel consultancy business has debts of £27,000 according to accounts lodged at Companies House, refused to comment.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/8211596/Honeymoon-murder-Anni-Dewani-was-shot-dead-accidentally-by-her-abductor.html

Offline Carana

Re: Anni Dewani - Motive and Method
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2013, 10:35:04 AM »
Honeymoon murder: Anni Dewani was 'shot dead accidentally' by her abductor
Anni Dewani, the bride murdered on her honeymoon, was shot dead accidentally by her abductor as he tried to rape her, according to expert evidence commissioned by her husband’s legal team.
Link to this video

By Robert Mendick and Stewart Maclean in Cape Town

9:00PM GMT 18 Dec 2010

Lawyers will argue that the analysis helps to disprove the theory that Mrs Dewani was executed by hitmen hired by her husband Shrien Dewani.

Instead, it backs up his version that Mrs Dewani’s murder was the result of a carjacking gone wrong.

The new evidence comes as a close member of Mr Dewani’s family broke their silence to tell of their fears the millionaire will not receive a fair trial in South Africa.

Video footage of the couple enjoying their first dance at their wedding at the end of October was released to The Sunday Telegraph as further evidence the couple were ‘madly in love with each other’.

The minute-long compilation shows Mr Dewani and his new bride smiling and laughing together.

The family says it is further proof there were no marital problems which could have led Mr Dewani to have his bride murdered.

It is also understood that expert advice from ballistics and forensics experts commissioned by Mr Dewani’s defence team shows the single bullet which killed Mrs Dewani passed first through her hand and then into her neck, severing an artery.

The post mortem also shows Mrs Dewani’s killer had at one stage grabbed her leg, suggesting she may have struggled and that the gun may have gone off accidentally.

A legal source said: “There is a clear grip mark on her lower leg and the wound doesn’t look like an execution style one.

"It looks like the gun could have been accidentally discharged in circumstances where they were threatening to rape her.”

The evidence gathered by Mr Dewani’s legal team will be used in the British courts to try and block South Africa’s attempts to extradite the 30-year-old.

They will also argue that Mr Dewani, a businessman from Bristol, will not receive a fair trial in South Africa following a number of prejudicial comments made by South Africa’s national police commissioner, who branded him a “monkey [who had come] from London to kill his wife here”.

A close relative told The Sunday Telegraph: “Shrien has been rocked by people in senior positions in South Africa with influence and power referring to him as a monkey, a murderer and evil.

"In comparison with this country it would be almost unheard of for senior politicians and members of the police force to refer to anybody in these terms and that is difficult to understand.

“Comments by these people have not added to the confidence we should have in the administration of justice in South Africa. We are fearful of lots of things and the actions of those around us are compounding and adding to that fear.

The relative added: “The evidence they [the South Africans] have provided is flimsy and implausible in the extreme. To have him vilified and treated as guilty is disgusting.”

The relative said claims that the two men accused of murdering Mrs Dewani confessed only after that had been beaten and tortured – one of the men claimed to have had a plastic bag pulled over his head during questioning – had added to Mr Dewani’s concerns about being forced to return to South Africa to face trial.

The main evidence against Mr Dewani appears to be a signed confession from taxi driver Zola Tongo who received a reduced jail term of 18 years after striking a plea bargain.

He has accused Mr Dewani of arranging the murder of his 28-year-old, Swedish-born wife on Nov 13.

The relative questioned how Tongo could afford his lawyer’s legal fees when he was supposed to be so impoverished he had accepted just £95 (1,000 Rand) as part of his deal to hire two contract killers on Mr Dewani’s behalf.

Tongo’s aunt Nokwanda Siga-Tongo appeared to question why Tongo would have organised the murder for so little money.

“He was the most successful person in our family – he had his taxi job and was doing extra work on the side too,” said Mrs Siga-Tongo.

“Why would he do this for 1,000 rand? It doesn’t make sense and we are sure something is not right in the story.”

Mr Dewani’s relative suggested the businessman was being set up to preserve South Africa’s reputation among tourists.

The relative said: “Tourism is obviously a huge revenue stream for the South Africans and I would expect them to do everything possible to protect that revenue.

“I think this whole thing has turned into something much bigger than anyone ever expected and the sad thing is it has distracted from the real truth which is Anni has been taken away from us and we don’t know why or what happened.

“Shrien is devastated; he can’t sleep he is getting playbacks of what happened and he is conscious his future has been taken away from him.

"This is the girl he fell in love with and had mapped out a future with. Every effort is now being made to make sure the truth comes out and his name is cleared.

"The legal team are looking at a whole category of stuff. No stone will be left unturned.”

The Dewani family have been horrified by a series of smears that appear designed to damage Mr Dewani’s reputation.

The police have so far been unable to suggest a motive – at least publicly – for why he might have wished to have his wife murdered.

Detectives have in their possession CCTV images which they claim shows Mr Dewani having meetings with Tongo before the murder and then handing over a bag of cash three days after it.

But the family point out that at that stage Tongo was not a suspect and Mr Dewani was paying him for driving the couple in the area.

They point out the improbability of Mr Dewani recruiting a taxi driver to help assassinate his wife within an hour of landing in Cape Town.

Other claims levelled against Mr Dewani and used as ‘evidence’ of his guilt include a claim the couple had rowed on their honeymoon flight – which is denied.

It is also suggested Mr Dewani had changed money in Cape Town on the black market at a pawnbrokers’ to hide his payments to the assassins. It now transpires changing money in such places is commonplace.

Police have even suggested a link to another murder in South Africa three years ago – even though Mr Dewani had never been to South Africa until his honeymoon.

Heather Raghavjee, whose husband was murdered in a carjacking in 2007, said yesterday reports of a connection between the crimes were “hurtful and disrespectful”.

The South African police, who failed to find her husband’s killers, have not contacted her in more than a year.

Leopold Leisser, a German-born, gay escort, has sold his story to a tabloid newspaper in which he claimed that he had had sex with Mr Dewani three times – although on the dates in question Mr Dewani has gathered evidence to show he was not in Birmingham or London where the encounters are supposed to have taken place.

He is planning to sue for libel over the claim. Mr Leisser, whose hotel consultancy business has debts of £27,000 according to accounts lodged at Companies House, refused to comment.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/8211596/Honeymoon-murder-Anni-Dewani-was-shot-dead-accidentally-by-her-abductor.html

Redblossom

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Re: Anni Dewani - Motive and Method
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2013, 06:03:23 PM »
What was the origin of this gay escort story?

It is anything more than a guy thinking he could make money out of the tabloids?


Leopold Leisser, a German-born, gay escort, has sold his story to a tabloid newspaper in which he claimed that he had had sex with Mr Dewani three times – although on the dates in question Mr Dewani has gathered evidence to show he was not in Birmingham or London where the encounters are supposed to have taken place.

He is planning to sue for libel over the claim. Mr Leisser, whose hotel consultancy business has debts of £27,000 according to accounts lodged at Companies House, refused to comment.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/8211596/Honeymoon-murder-Anni-Dewani-was-shot-dead-accidentally-by-her-abductor.html

dunno, bit like his ex fiancee saying he was impotent......? Or didntwant to have sex? Didnt he dump her days after getting engaged?

Just because something turns up in the tabloids doesnt always mean it is a lie, and for that matter broadsheet *respected* papers have also been proven to lie carana

Do you also think Annis sister was lying when she said Anni was ringing her from her honeymoon crying her eyes out was a lie too?
Whilst dewani ws sayng they were havng the best time ever? hello?







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Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Anni Dewani - Motive and Method
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2013, 05:34:02 AM »
I am close to someone who was married briefly to a gay man who tricked her into marrying him in order to attempt cover up his lifestyle.

He didn't actually kill her when she began talking to others about the problems in their unconsummated, so-called  marriage - but he threatened to.

All the hallmarks here in this case, before, during and after the wedding

Very sad
« Last Edit: September 15, 2013, 05:37:56 AM by Sherlock Holmes »

Offline Joanne

Re: Anni Dewani - Motive and Method
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2013, 07:34:01 AM »
I don't think it's uncommon Sherlock, Liberace was going to marry Joanne Rio, Alan Turig and Joan Clarke to name a couple (but I don't believe it's a male issue, there must be examples of women doing this too).

Offline Myster

Re: Anni Dewani - Motive and Method
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2013, 10:15:51 AM »
It's all becoming clearer now why she wanted out of this sham marriage, and Dewani's extraordinary solution !...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420838/Moment-Dewani-bizarre-gun-gesture-murdered-wifes-bombshell-texts-reveal-torment-marriage-perfectionist.html
‘Somebody in this case is lying, and lying their heads off.’ Anthony Arlidge QC, closing speech at the Bamber trial, 22 October 1986

Offline Carana

Re: Anni Dewani - Motive and Method
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2013, 10:46:33 AM »
I haven't seen the Panorama documentary in question.


Dewani Uncle Criticises BBC Over Documentary
A programme casting doubt on the case against a man accused of murdering his wife has angered the family of his alleged victim.
8:50pm UK, Saturday 14 September 2013
Shrien Dewani, 31, with his wife Anni, who he is accused of hiring a hitman to kill.

Video: BBC's Dewani Documentary Criticised
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The uncle of murdered honeymooner Anni Dewani has accused documentary makers of interfering in the justice system ahead of a programme raising questions about the case against her alleged killer.

Ashok Hindocha, the uncle of Anni Dewani who was killed in South Africa in November 2010, said it is up for a court to look at allegations against her former husband Shrien.

He is accused of ordering the murder of his new bride, who was shot in the neck as the couple travelled in a taxi in the outskirts of Cape Town.

A team from BBC series Panorama has obtained police files concerning the prosecution case against Shrien Dewani and has asked forensic experts to examine them.

A BBC spokesman said the experts' findings have exposed "fundamental failings" in the police investigation, and it is in the public interest for them to be aired.
Shrien Dewani Shrien Dewani is fighting extradition to South Africa

The programme is due to be broadcast next Thursday.

But Mr Hindocha told Sky News that the BBC should pull the programme, and instead hand over the documents to Dewani's defence.

"What the BBC is doing is not correct. This programme should not be run before the trial.

"Justice should be served in a court of law. Let's cross-examine, put the evidence on the table, let everyone see.

"Has all the evidence been presented to the BBC? I don't know.

"The case should be done in a court of law, not in a studio somewhere with public funding. No, that is very wrong."

In July District Judge Howard Riddle ruled that Dewani should be extradited to face trial in South Africa, now that the 33-year-old has recovered sufficiently from mental health problems.
Xolile Mngeni (L) and Mziwamadoda Qwabe in court over Anni Dewani killing Xolile Mngeni and Mziwamadoda Qwabe

But lawyers acting for Dewani immediately announced their intention to appeal, and are expected to continue with their legal fight next month.

A BBC spokesman said: "BBC Panorama has obtained the secret police files which make up the prosecution case against Shrien Dewani and has commissioned leading forensic experts to review all the evidence.

"Their findings expose fundamental failings in the police investigation.

"Panorama strongly believes it is in the public interest for these matters to be aired.

"We understand that the programme may be difficult viewing for Anni's family and have approached it sensitively, including contacting her uncle, as the representative of the family, in advance, to let him know that it would air on September 19.

"We received replies from Mr Hindocha which did not raise these objections.

"The police evidence we have obtained is neither manufactured nor stolen, nor did we pay for it."

Dewani has undergone treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder and depression at psychiatric hospitals near Bristol since his wife's death.

It emerged that he has been allowed to position a camper van in the grounds of Fromeside hospital, where he spends hours at a time, and is also allowed unregulated access to a laptop and visits to his nearby home every day.

A spokesman for Dewani family told Sky News: "Shrien was committed to clearing his name in a court of law when he was fit and well enough to travel."

So far three men have been convicted over Mrs Dewani's death.

Last year South African Xolile Mngeni was convicted of premeditated murder for shooting her.

Prosecutors claimed that he was a hitman hired by Dewani to kill his wife, something that Dewani has consistently denied.

Taxi driver Zola Tongo was jailed for 18 years after he admitted his part in the killing, and another accomplice, Mziwamadoda Qwabe, also pleaded guilty to murder and was handed a 25-year prison sentence.

The programme calls into question their testimony.

http://news.sky.com/story/1141801/dewani-uncle-criticises-bbc-over-documentary

Offline Carana

Re: Anni Dewani - Motive and Method
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2013, 10:54:01 AM »
I am close to someone who was married briefly to a gay man who tricked her into marrying him in order to attempt cover up his lifestyle.

He didn't actually kill her when she began talking to others about the problems in their unconsummated, so-called  marriage - but he threatened to.

All the hallmarks here in this case, before, during and after the wedding

Very sad

I guess that we can all extrapolate personal experiences to form an opinion.

However, what evidence - beyond tabloid coverage - would indicate that anyone's personal experiences are relevant to this particular case?

Offline Carana

Re: Anni Dewani - Motive and Method
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2013, 12:26:02 PM »
I had thought that this board was about trying to distinguish fact from fiction in the interest of justice.

Perhaps I was wrong.
« Last Edit: September 15, 2013, 12:28:28 PM by Carana »

Offline Myster

Re: Anni Dewani - Motive and Method
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2013, 01:10:53 PM »
From that article:

Her reaction was immediate: ‘Anni broke off the relationship because she wanted to have children in the future,’ said Sneha.

Here is his way out of that marriage before it happens without killing anyone. All he had to do if he didn't want to go through with it was tell his family, she broke it off.

Yet according to her cousin, Shrien Dewani persuaded Anni to marry him three times. If I remember rightly, he already had one failed engagement or marriage to someone else behind him and wanted to save face with his family by going ahead with this one. In the words of Hugo Keith QC - "he could not break out of the engagement because he would be disowned by his family"

Wasn't the desire to be married just a cover for homosexuality ?.

The arguments between them continued in SA, and the only way out for him if his thinking was disturbed was that last desperate one.
‘Somebody in this case is lying, and lying their heads off.’ Anthony Arlidge QC, closing speech at the Bamber trial, 22 October 1986

Offline Carana

Re: Anni Dewani - Motive and Method
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2013, 02:18:36 PM »
Yet according to her cousin, Shrien Dewani persuaded Anni to marry him three times. If I remember rightly, he already had one failed engagement or marriage to someone else behind him and wanted to save face with his family by going ahead with this one. In the words of Hugo Keith QC - "he could not break out of the engagement because he would be disowned by his family"

Wasn't the desire to be married just a cover for homosexuality ?.

The arguments between them continued in SA, and the only way out for him if his thinking was disturbed was that last desperate one.

What evidence is there that he was gay?

Has no one here ever been in a relationship that didn't work out prior to a marriage commitment?

Offline Myster

Re: Anni Dewani - Motive and Method
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2013, 02:57:35 PM »
What evidence is there that he was gay?

Has no one here ever been in a relationship that didn't work out prior to a marriage commitment?

No doubt all will be revealed in the court case if it ever gets that far, i.e. if Shrien Dewani doesn't continue to evade his responsibilities, acts like a man and returns to South Africa ASAP.
‘Somebody in this case is lying, and lying their heads off.’ Anthony Arlidge QC, closing speech at the Bamber trial, 22 October 1986

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: Anni Dewani - Motive and Method
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2013, 04:22:08 PM »
I guess that we can all extrapolate personal experiences to form an opinion.

However, what evidence - beyond tabloid coverage - would indicate that anyone's personal experiences are relevant to this particular case?

Personal experiences don't constitute evidence, no.

But knowledge or experience of something helps us spot patters and red flags.

There seem to be a lot of parallels between the case I knew of and this one here, that's all.

Redblossom

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Re: Anni Dewani - Motive and Method
« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2013, 06:39:58 PM »
Every single one of the vindication cases that I posted in another thread believed that those originally accused were guilty. None of them were. Some victims' families develop their own beliefs and nothing will shake it. The recent Rachel Manning murder is a case in point. Her mother still blames Barri White for not taking her home. Rachel's death was not in any way White's fault. Terry White brandished a gun at John Actie for Jeffrey Gafoor's crime and [ censored word ] Tony Paris.

Police tell victims' families what they want, so it is hardly surprising that Anni's family believe it, along with Dewani doing his utmost not to be sent back. This is now a complete mess. The case against him depends mainly on unreliable witnesses. The money given to the driver is perfectly consistent with being given for that purpose alone and being obtained on black market for convenience or rate. This is hardly a water-tight case.

He may or may not have ordered it. I don't know, but the evidence I have seen so far is far from compelling.

She was havng a really bad time, was very unhappy, as evidenced by all the texts, then they go to tour in one of the real dangerous parts of town at night, why? and she loses her life....just bad luck? If Dewani had been to SA several times before, and therefore knew the place,why did he take her there?


Redblossom

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Re: Anni Dewani - Motive and Method
« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2013, 07:58:56 PM »
What evidence is there that he had been there several times? I'm not saying he is innocent. I don't know, but the witnesses against him are far from credible.

Ok slaps own wrist, I read it somewhere.....I have no link, I wont post anythng here in future without one...there  is a report that someone had an impression he had done so,  but his passport from 2006 showed no visits....laters