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Offline Robittybob1

"Blood

There is also the evidence of a "partial footwear mark" found just outside Madeleine's bedroom which had traces of blood in it visible to the naked eye, according to a forensics report."

Now is that true?
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id21.htm

Why did Gerry McCann Blogs by Pamalam ever report that?
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Offline Brietta

"Blood

There is also the evidence of a "partial footwear mark" found just outside Madeleine's bedroom which had traces of blood in it visible to the naked eye, according to a forensics report."

Now is that true?
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id21.htm

Why did Gerry McCann Blogs by Pamalam ever report that?

Apparently the papers were rife with it at the time but the only mention of footprints of any kind to be found is in the files are taken from the Portuguese forensics report ...

Snip
Then began the detailed observation of the apartment interior ending with the search and recovery of forensic trace material relevant to the present examination.
Initially the search began for latent shoe-prints it being verified that dozens existed on the floor, in the various rooms of the apartment, which invalidated the attempt of identifying those of the perpetrator. Also, innumerable tracks [footprints] that were taken to be canine in origin mixed with red- and white-coloured chemical products, as used to see fingerprints, and an enormous quantity of hairs probably of animal (dog) origin that made it difficult to find possible traces, especially in the bedroom of two single beds and two children's cots from where the minor disappeared, and next to the aluminium window/door leading from inside the living room to the exterior area behind the apartment.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

So bloody footprints appear to be yet another newspaper invention.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

OK but it was good enough for Pamalam to include that comment in the site.

Also it was found on the Northern side of the building.  When was this found?  Before or after the use of the Dragon's blood?
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Offline Brietta

OK but it was good enough for Pamalam to include that comment in the site.

Also it was found on the Northern side of the building.  When was this found?  Before or after the use of the Dragon's blood?

I don't think it was found at all, Robitty, just a myth.  If there had been such evidence the Portuguese crime scene specialists would have logged it and it would have been photographed and that would have been recorded in the files.

It wasn't.

I believe out of the same stable there was something about a bloody footprint on the Renault bumper.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

I don't think it was found at all, Robitty, just a myth.  If there had been such evidence the Portuguese crime scene specialists would have logged it and it would have been photographed and that would have been recorded in the files.

It wasn't.

I believe out of the same stable there was something about a bloody footprint on the Renault bumper.
Whoever wrote that about the bumper can't have realised the Renault wasn't hired till at least 20 days after the event.
When I think about it, blood on a foot print have could come from standing on a mouse.  Therefore blood on a bumper is only really important if it was human blood and then human blood from a female, and even more damning if it was Madeleine's blood.
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Offline G-Unit

OK but it was good enough for Pamalam to include that comment in the site.

Also it was found on the Northern side of the building.  When was this found?  Before or after the use of the Dragon's blood?

Pamalam's site has many many media reports. Just because they're there doesn't mean they are being endorsed.
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Offline Robittybob1

Pamalam's site has many many media reports. Just because they're there doesn't mean they are being endorsed.
I think it may have been discussed in the past.  But if it was just a PJ shoe covered in dragon blood it is hardly significant to even write about IMO.

"Another black powder is called Dragon's blood; it uses the powdered resin of the Daemonorops draco plant."  https://sciencing.com/ingredients-fingerprinting-powder-8592401.html

The fingerprinting powder used by the PJ was definitely red so it might not be called Dragon's blood.
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Offline Robittybob1

A Google  search for the following terms has come up with a few good results.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/madeleine-bloody-footprint-found-in-mccanns-apartment-6642364.html
"A bloody footprint was found in Kate and Gerry McCann's apartment, matching a print on their hire car, according to a forensic report shown to The Mail on Sunday.

The existence of the two marks, which has never been revealed until today, is apparently at the heart of renewed suspicion that the couple were involved in their daughter's disappearance.

New tests carried out at the Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham show there is a 'moderate' chance that the blood belonged to Madeleine. But the results are inconclusive."

Size 5 shoe  - is that too small for a man?  Who had shoes that matched the shoe print?  It is odd that the print was made heading toward the bedroom?  Pamalam was reporting it was out the apartment but here they seem to be talking about a print inside the apartment.

In the next hit:
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/world/maddie-footprint-clues-emerge/story-e6frea8l-1111114645349?sv=8c673cfa3f3f15c0c23193a7f687d18e

"A BLOODY footprint was found in Kate and Gerry McCann's apartment, matching a print on their hire car, according to a forensic report shown to a UK newspaper.
The Mail on Sunday reports the existence of the two marks, revealed for the first time yesterday, is believed to be at the heart of renewed suspicion the couple were involved in their daughter's disappearance.

New tests carried out at the Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham show there is a "moderate" chance the blood belonged to Madeleine. But the results are inconclusive. "

Was that right, are there forensic results not in the file?

Further down "The FSS results conclude the footprint matched the pattern of a mark found above the rear bumper of the McCanns' Renault Scenic hire car, a print which Portuguese police apparently believe is consistent with someone lifting a body in or out of the boot. Experts could find no definite traces of blood in that print. "

I ask you how does a shoe print differ when a body is involved?

Third hit, something closer to home, http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2871.msg98965#msg98965
"The partial footprint found outside children's bedroom window."

Most posters sceptical about the shoe print but this particular post has brought up a very interesting fact that had not been appreciated by myself till now, so much to the point that I struggle to believe it.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2871.msg99300#msg99300  talking about who closed the window!
"Nah, but good old Sylv was.

S.B. further recalls that she entered the room where Madeleine had been sleeping. She now remembers that the door was closed. The inside of the room was dark. The shutters were down, and light entered only through its holes. The windows were closed and the curtains slightly open. Gerry, who accompanied S.B. during this visit, with the GNR officers also present, said that it had been him who had closed the window because the babies were still sleeping inside, which S.B. could verify as true. Gerry mentioned that when he noticed that Madeleine was missing, he had found the window and shutters open, and the curtains fluttering."

So that bedroom window was not closed until the GNR had turned up at the apartment. - I never knew that!

Maybe I've read that wrong and it is only the fact that "the babies were still sleeping inside" which Silvia Batista could verify as true.  Not that Gerry actually closed the window while she was present, but just that mentioned that he closed the window.

Which is it?

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Offline sadie

OK but it was good enough for Pamalam to include that comment in the site.

Also it was found on the Northern side of the building.  When was this found?  Before or after the use of the Dragon's blood?
Pamalam provides a wonderful database, packed with reports and images that we need and use .... Well done Pamalam .... and I thank her for that .


However, from comments on the pages of her website, she presents comments and articles that, IMO, are biased against The Mccanns.

I believe that she is firmly against The Mccanns.     For this reason, apart from facts, I am cautious about what she says on her webpages.


If she were to remove these IMO adverse comments, I would gladly make a decent contribution to help keep her webpage running.   



The long and short of this post is .... Can you trust a biased website to give unbiased information?   I personally find it difficult.

Before the abnormal, bullying, CITES demands come up, I am not providing any cites.  Go and look and judge for yourselves.

Offline sadie

A Google  search for the following terms has come up with a few good results.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/madeleine-bloody-footprint-found-in-mccanns-apartment-6642364.html
"A bloody footprint was found in Kate and Gerry McCann's apartment, matching a print on their hire car, according to a forensic report shown to The Mail on Sunday.

The existence of the two marks, which has never been revealed until today, is apparently at the heart of renewed suspicion that the couple were involved in their daughter's disappearance.

New tests carried out at the Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham show there is a 'moderate' chance that the blood belonged to Madeleine. But the results are inconclusive."

Size 5 shoe  - is that too small for a man?  Who had shoes that matched the shoe print?  It is odd that the print was made heading toward the bedroom?  Pamalam was reporting it was out the apartment but here they seem to be talking about a print inside the apartment.

In the next hit:
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/world/maddie-footprint-clues-emerge/story-e6frea8l-1111114645349?sv=8c673cfa3f3f15c0c23193a7f687d18e

"A BLOODY footprint was found in Kate and Gerry McCann's apartment, matching a print on their hire car, according to a forensic report shown to a UK newspaper.
The Mail on Sunday reports the existence of the two marks, revealed for the first time yesterday, is believed to be at the heart of renewed suspicion the couple were involved in their daughter's disappearance.

New tests carried out at the Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham show there is a "moderate" chance the blood belonged to Madeleine. But the results are inconclusive. "

Was that right, are there forensic results not in the file?

Further down "The FSS results conclude the footprint matched the pattern of a mark found above the rear bumper of the McCanns' Renault Scenic hire car, a print which Portuguese police apparently believe is consistent with someone lifting a body in or out of the boot. Experts could find no definite traces of blood in that print. "

I ask you how does a shoe print differ when a body is involved?

Third hit, something closer to home, http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2871.msg98965#msg98965
"The partial footprint found outside children's bedroom window."

Most posters sceptical about the shoe print but this particular post has brought up a very interesting fact that had not been appreciated by myself till now, so much to the point that I struggle to believe it.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2871.msg99300#msg99300  talking about who closed the window!
"Nah, but good old Sylv was.

S.B. further recalls that she entered the room where Madeleine had been sleeping. She now remembers that the door was closed. The inside of the room was dark. The shutters were down, and light entered only through its holes. The windows were closed and the curtains slightly open. Gerry, who accompanied S.B. during this visit, with the GNR officers also present, said that it had been him who had closed the window because the babies were still sleeping inside, which S.B. could verify as true. Gerry mentioned that when he noticed that Madeleine was missing, he had found the window and shutters open, and the curtains fluttering."

So that bedroom window was not closed until the GNR had turned up at the apartment. - I never knew that!

Maybe I've read that wrong and it is only the fact that "the babies were still sleeping inside" which Silvia Batista could verify as true.  Not that Gerry actually closed the window while she was present, but just that mentioned that he closed the window.

Which is it?

Size 5?

Well that aint a man; it aint Kate, she has big feet from pictures and height: It aint the little ones.   So what woman ... or youth is it?

Anyway, was there any blood component in it ?   If it was the forensic powder being walked about, then the footprint happened after the event.


Without certain knowledge that it was blood, (and not make believe ... there was plenty of that around at the time) my feeling is that it is another myth.
BUT keep it on the back boiler, in case there is a remote chance it is of importance.   Dont think so personally.

Offline faithlilly

Pamalam provides a wonderful database, packed with reports and images that we need and use .... Well done Pamalam .... and I thank her for that .


However, from comments on the pages of her website, she presents comments and articles that, IMO, are biased against The Mccanns.

I believe that she is firmly against The Mccanns.     For this reason, apart from facts, I am cautious about what she says on her webpages.


If she were to remove these IMO adverse comments, I would gladly make a decent contribution to help keep her webpage running.   



The long and short of this post is .... Can you trust a biased website to give unbiased information?   I personally find it difficult.

Before the abnormal, bullying, CITES demands come up, I am not providing any cites.  Go and look and judge for yourselves.

The problem is not once in 11 years have supporters of the McCanns even attempted to put together a similar database as Pamalam and Nigel. I think it’s bad form to criticise those who make an effort when you and your fellow supporters have made no effort yourselves.

Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Angelo222

What are we to make of all of this?   There can only be so many scenarios, either the forensics report did exist showing these blood stained footprints or it didn't.  Would the British media be so callous as to invent such a story?

Was this in effect yet another example of the FSS leaking preliminary reports which never made it to the files or was the entire thing a worthless media invention intended to smear the parents?
« Last Edit: August 06, 2018, 11:25:46 AM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

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Offline Mr Gray

What are we to make of all of this?   There can only be so many scenarios, either the forensics report did exist showing these blood stained footprints or it didn't.  Would the British media be so callous as to invent such a story?

Was this in effect yet another example of the FSS leaking preliminary reports which never made it to the files or was the entire thing a worthless media invention intended to smear the parents?

I don't think there ever was, a leaked preliminary  report....
But there was lots of false stories to smear the parents

Could we have a cite fir this leaked preliminary  report..
Could you put it on the list Rob
« Last Edit: August 06, 2018, 11:42:09 AM by Davel »

Offline Angelo222

I don't think there ever was, a leaked preliminary  report....
But there was lots of false stories to smear the parents

Could we have a cite fir this leaked preliminary  report

Amaral said he received such a report from the FSS.  Refer to Sky's Martin Brunt report.

From 1.35

« Last Edit: August 06, 2018, 11:47:13 AM by Angelo222 »
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Mr Gray

Amaral said he received such a report from the FSS.  Refer to Sky's Martin Brunt report.

Could we have a cite.... I don't think there will be a cite because I don't think it's true.... Just lies from Levy... Imo

Brunt said there was blood splatter and 100 % match to Maddie... All rubbish
« Last Edit: August 06, 2018, 11:46:31 AM by Davel »