Grime's rogatory and blood ...

[ferryman]

This is what took my eye earlier.

Grime's rogatory:

'How long can a trace of blood remain at a scene and be detected by the CSI dog''?


During both training and operations, the CSI dog correctly located and signalled the presence of blood from 1960. This is not at all surprising. If enough blood is present so that the dog can recognize its odour, he will locate it and alert to its presence. There is no time restriction as regards the recognition of the odour by the dog. Blood, however, is subject to deterioration such as time and other natural processes such as dilution due to rain and other reactive chemical agents.

Interesting.

I'd never registered that before ...

[DCI]

Marvelous dogs  8-)(--)

So as well as the McCanns and some of the Tapas7, there have been,
GNR officers
GNR dogs
Forensic chaps, and a woman, with no protective clothing, and one glove torn.
All sorts of forensic material used, dragon blood etc.
3 or 4 family's in the apartment, after the McCann's left
Martin Grime, Silvia Baptista, sitting with her feet stuck out, and god knows how many others, without protective clothing.
all over the area's the dogs searched, 3 months later.

Bingo, no wonder the dogs alerted, but what to?

Why did Grime only use protective clothing at the car park?
The other 10/ 12 people there, didn't!

[ferryman]

Marvelous dogs  8-)(--)

So as well as the McCanns and some of the Tapas7, there have been,
GNR officers
GNR dogs
Forensic chaps, and a woman, with no protective clothing, and one glove torn.
All sorts of forensic material used, dragon blood etc.
3 or 4 family's in the apartment, after the McCann's left
Martin Grime, Silvia Baptista, sitting with her feet stuck out, and god knows how many others, without protective clothing.
all over the area's the dogs searched, 3 months later.

Bingo, no wonder the dogs alerted, but what to?

Why did Grime only use protective clothing at the car park?
The other 10/ 12 people there, didn't!

If you think about the shaving cut, Lino Henrique's accident and Grime's explanations that the dog won't necessarily alert to the source of an odour ...

[DCI]

If you think about the shaving cut, Lino Henrique's accident and Grime's explanations that the dog won't necessarily alert to the source of an odour ...

Oh yes, and whoever was in and out, after the McCann's left, before Grime came on the scene.

[Benice]

Marvelous dogs  8-)(--)

So as well as the McCanns and some of the Tapas7, there have been,
GNR officers
GNR dogs
Forensic chaps, and a woman, with no protective clothing, and one glove torn.
All sorts of forensic material used, dragon blood etc.
3 or 4 family's in the apartment, after the McCann's left
Martin Grime, Silvia Baptista, sitting with her feet stuck out, and god knows how many others, without protective clothing.
all over the area's the dogs searched, 3 months later.

Bingo, no wonder the dogs alerted, but what to?

Why did Grime only use protective clothing at the car park?
The other 10/ 12 people there, didn't!

Also,  if Grime is right that his dogs detect scent from DECADES ago - then you have to take into account all the people who went through that apartment not only after May 3rd but for years and years PRIOR to that date.

This is why he emphasizes the need for corroberrating evidence at all times. 

[Redblossom]

The point of using keela was to find blood (of possible forensic links to a victim, as there is no way any science can corroborate eddies cadaver scent remnant alerts, they are no where sophisticated enough)  AFTER Eddie alerted, his remit is cadaver scent in the main even if it includes dry blood, clever dog, the very fact he alerted to places where keela didnt, for the millionth time is that he alerted to cadaver scent remnant scent whch wasnt blood, its not hard to understand and this is exactly what happened in 5a

So IMo the op is defunct null and void in its premise that Eddie was only alerting to blood

[Mrs. B]

Or Coconut, of course.

[Redblossom]

Or Coconut, of course.

Sure mccanns kept coconuts in their bedroom, or pork chops, etc,nice one
 

[Mrs. B]

Why the McCanns? What about the OTHER four lots of holiday makers who stayed in that apartment AFTER the McCanns. Anybody asked them if they had some kind of fruit fetish going on?

[Redblossom]

Why the McCanns? What about the OTHER four lots of holiday makers who stayed in that apartment AFTER the McCanns. Anybody asked them if they had some kind of fruit fetish going on?

None of them had  a child missing, in fact no one ever went missing from that flat or died there, the coconut scent found in 5a MUST have reminded Eddie of Jersey where he scented dead bodies


Simples I agree

[Mrs. B]

No, as Grime stated clearly in the PJ files, "an alert is an alert, all alerts have to be corroborated by forensics". No such corroboration ever happened. And we really only found out later about the Coconut dog's exploits in Jersey.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217863/Bungled-Jersey-child-abuse-probe-branded-20million-shambles.html

[Redblossom]

No, as Grime stated clearly in the PJ files, "an alert is an alert, all alerts have to be corroborated by forensics". No such corroboration ever happened. And we really only found out later about the Coconut dog's exploits in Jersey.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217863/Bungled-Jersey-child-abuse-probe-branded-20million-shambles.html

You really should try and do more serious research than the Mail, it will do you good for a general education at least into tabloid reporting

 

Tweedles whilst doing it, have fun

[gilet]

You really should try and do more serious research than the Mail, it will do you good for a general education at least into tabloid reporting

 

Tweedles whilst doing it, have fun

It really is sad that you are not fully aware of the fact that Martin Grime wrote frequently in his report to the PJ that the alerts were not useful as evidence unless backed up by forensic corroborations.

The actual phrase he uses is "No evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from this
alert unless it can be confirmed with corroborating evidence."

He says it at least four times in the report which presumably you have read.

Odd you seem to have missed it.

Were you under the illusion that the alerts had some kind of evidential aspect to them?

[ferryman]

You really should try and do more serious research than the Mail, it will do you good for a general education at least into tabloid reporting

 

Tweedles whilst doing it, have fun

The coconut alert is corroborated by Wiltshire Police in their report.

Carana has come closest to a valid defence: she points out that the dog might have been alerting to some other unrelated source.

It's a fair point, but only one that exposes Grime's incompetence if true.

He should have had the dog screen the area first to rule out prior scents.

Grime (not necessarily the dog) deserves every iota of opprobrium directed his way over the charge that his dog reacted to a coconut shell ..,.

[Redblossom]

The coconut alert is corroborated by Wiltshire Police in their report.

Carana has come closest to a valid defence: she points out that the dog might have been alerting to some other unrelated source.

It's a fair point, but only one that exposes Grime's incompetence if true.

He should have had the dog screen the area first to rule out prior scents.

Grime (not necessarily the dog) deserves every iota of opprobrium directed his way over the charge that his dog reacted to a coconut shell ..,.

how did the coconut have collagen in it