The suggestion that the kids may have been sedated issue.

[AnneGuedes]

The scientific police examined Madeleine's bedding and found no trace of sedation (i.e saliva and/or regurgitation), does someone know whether they examined the twins' beddings that were taken away with them ? And does someone know whether they examined the parents' beddings ?

[AnneGuedes]

Some here seem not to understand that the PJ was searching for a little girl and that any minute was crucial. How would Inspector Amaral think of testing the kids in this context, a fortiori as a quick call to a doctor would have told him that detection after 48 was impossible ?
The McCanns did their show off with the twins' test, killing two rabbits with the same stone : 1° once more they were the victims of the PJ monsters and 2° they were clean of any drug.
If you doubt it, ask a doctor !

[sadie]

The scientific police examined Madeleine's bedding and found no trace of sedation (i.e saliva and/or regurgitation), does someone know whether they examined the twins' beddings that were taken away with them ? And does someone know whether they examined the parents' beddings ?

Now I find that strange Anne, because there has been much talk about the police not securing the crime scene and allowing the bedlinen to be stripped off and laundered without any forensic examination

Who has been saying that the Police scientifically examined the bed linene?

[sadie]

Some here seem not to understand that the PJ was searching for a little girl and that any minute was crucial. How would Inspector Amaral think of testing the kids in this context, a fortiori as a quick call to a doctor would have told him that detection after 48 was impossible ?
The McCanns did their show off with the twins' test, killing two rabbits with the same stone : 1° once more they were the victims of the PJ monsters and 2° they were clean of any drug.
If you doubt it, ask a doctor !

That is a very bitter and uncalled for statement Anne.  I am surprised at you.

The PJ were not searching for a little girl after the very first hours, because Amaral had already decided that she was dead with her parents something to do with it. 

[stephen25000]

The bottom line remains here, the PJ and the Mccanns did nothing to check the children out for  the presence of drugs.

....... comment removed as speculative ....   why didn't the Mccanns do anything at all ?

Logical deduction, something to hide.

As to the PJ, it could have provided useful evidence.

[Chinagirl]

And of course they would know exactly where to find such a place - and with no Portuguese they would also know how to order up such a test - with no referral .....

(I wish sceptics would use some commonsense and not just their blind prejudice!)

And I'd like some proof, please, seeing you have asserted it, that Kate was not a qualified anaethetist.

[stephen25000]

And of course they would know exactly where to find such a place - and with no Portuguese they would also know how to order up such a test - with no referral .....

(I wish sceptics would use some commonsense and not just their blind prejudice!)

And I'd like some proof, please, seeing you have asserted it, that Kate was not a qualified anaethetist.

Ask the staff at the complex, they would know where hospitals were

Secondly, research on the GMC website. Listed there as GP, not on the specialist register.

[Lace]

Ask the staff at the complex, they would know where hospitals were

Secondly, research on the GMC website. Listed there as GP, not on the specialist register.

Stephen have you ANY idea of the state the McCann's were  in on the night of the 3rd of May?

They had just found their daughter missing,   abduction going through their minds,   thoughts of how Madeleine was being treated or even if she was being murdered!!

In her distressed state Kate told the Portuguese police of her concerns about the twins,  they should have done the necessary tests.

How can you expect the parents in their absolute despair to be finding out where to find the number of an hospital to arrange tests?

By the time they realised nothing was going to be done,  the twins had probably woken up!!!

[stephen25000]

Stephen have you ANY idea of the state the McCann's were  in on the night of the 3rd of May?

They had just found their daughter missing,   abduction going through their minds,   thoughts of how Madeleine was being treated or even if she was being murdered!!

In her distressed state Kate told the Portuguese police of her concerns about the twins,  they should have done the necessary tests.

How can you expect the parents in their absolute despair to be finding out where to find the number of an hospital to arrange tests?

By the time they realised nothing was going to be done,  the twins had probably woken up!!!

I'm not talking about on that night.

Whatever happened to Madeleine, whichever theory you believe in, there would be shock. No I'm talking about on subsequent days. Why didn't they do anything then ?

They were certainly indulging in recreational activities such as Tennis and Jogging.

[Chinagirl]

Ask the staff at the complex, they would know where hospitals were

Secondly, research on the GMC website. Listed there as GP, not on the specialist register.

You have not answered all the points in my post.  How, with no Portuguese and no referral from any Portuguese authority, would two English holiday-makers be able to order such a test?

Is it not possible that Kate is not listed on the specialist register because her initial qualification has lapsed through non-use?  I seem to recall that when she had children she opted to get out of hospital practice and into general practice so that she could spend more time with her children.  Because she is no longer listed as an anaethetist doesn't mean that she didn't originally qualify as such.  As we know, she is no longer a practicising GP, so I assume that, too, may lapse after a certain period, and she'll be removed from the BMA altogether.  Are you then going to claim that she's never been a doctor?

Again, use your commonsense (if you have any) rather than blind prejudice.

[stephen25000]

You have not answered all the points in my post.  How, with no Portuguese and no referral from any Portuguese authority, would two English holiday-makers be able to order such a test?

Is it not possible that Kate is not listed on the specialist register because her initial qualification has lapsed through non-use?  I seem to recall that when she had children she opted to get out of hospital practice and into general practice so that she could spend more time with her children.  Because she is no longer listed as an anaethetist doesn't mean that she didn't originally qualify as such.  As we know, she is no longer a practicising GP, so I assume that, too, may lapse after a certain period, and she'll be removed from the BMA altogether.  Are you then going to claim that she's never been a doctor?

Again, use your commonsense (if you have any) rather than blind prejudice.

Not blind prejudice. She didn't complete the course. Not an anesthetist.

You know the old saying, done with irony here, 'ask a Doctor'.

All they would have to do is go to a hospital, explain that they believed their children had been drugged and ask for a test to be carried out. Hardly difficult. Portugal is not as some seem to imply, in the Middle Ages.

[Chinagirl]

Not blind prejudice. She didn't complete the course. Not an anesthetist.

And your source for this claim is ....??

I have not implied that a Portuguese hospital would not be able to carry out such a drugs test.  I have indicated that I think it would be difficult, if not impossible, to persuade a hospital to carry out such a test without proper referral.   It was up to the POLICE to initiate this after the parents had voiced their concerns.

[Lace]

Not blind prejudice. She didn't complete the course. Not an anesthetist.

And your source for this claim is ....??

I have not implied that a Portuguese hospital would not be able to carry out such a drugs test.  I have indicated that I think it would be difficult, if not impossible, to persuade a hospital to carry out such a test without proper referral.   It was up to the POLICE to initiate this after the parents had voiced their concerns.

Exactly Chinagirl.

Can you imagine the McCann's trying to arrange such tests?

McCann's  -   We believe the twins have been drugged by an abductor,  an abductor took my eldest child.   Could you do tests to rule out drugs?

The first thing the would do is ring the police.

The tests should have been arranged by the Portuguese police.

[Benice]

Not blind prejudice. She didn't complete the course. Not an anesthetist.

And your source for this claim is ....??

I have not implied that a Portuguese hospital would not be able to carry out such a drugs test.  I have indicated that I think it would be difficult, if not impossible, to persuade a hospital to carry out such a test without proper referral.   It was up to the POLICE to initiate this after the parents had voiced their concerns.

I agree Carana, whether the twins had been drugged or not was part of the case - and as the PJ were in charge of the case - they should have arranged for a test.    It's apparent from the FLO's statement that Kate and Gerry listed this question of possible drugging amongst the questions they asked the FLO's to relay to the PJ on their behalf.   

We can only presume that the PJ decided not to act on it  - and for the McCanns to make private arrangements themselves would possibly have meant breaking the secrecy laws, as they would have to talk about the case in order to explain why they wanted the test.

 

[Chinagirl]

Benice - I think you meant to say "I agree Chinagirl" (not Carana!)

Your point about the McCanns having to break the secrecy laws is a good one which I hadn't thought of.

Whatever the case, they could not simply have waltzed into a hospital to ask for drugs tests to be carried out on the twins without referral from the police.