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Offline Brietta

Lawyers attack MP's attitude in Cova da Moura investigation

Justice

01 AUGUST 2017
00:13
Filipa Ambrósio de Sousa

Leader of Lisbon Lawyers argues that a statement made by Maria José Morgado concerning the 18 PSP agents accused of mistreatment is excessive and respects neither the presumption of innocence nor the contradictory

Reports that are too revealing of ongoing investigations, which do not respect the principle of the adversary or the constitutional principle of the presumption of innocence. The criticisms - made by the Lisbon regional leader of the Portuguese Bar Association (António Jaime Martins) - are addressed to a specific addressee: the District Attorney General of Lisbon (pgdl), led by Maria José Morgado. And an identified court case: the accusation of racism and maltreatment made to 18 PSP agents, made public on July 11 on the pgdl website.

"The kind of clarification that is being provided on the official website of some judicial authorities does not contribute either to the safety of people or property, or to public tranquility, quite the contrary," says António Jaime Martins on his Facebook page , With an attached print screen of the communiqué related to the Cova da Moura investigation, published by pgdl. "In addition, those targeted by the investigations have no right to the adversary using the same means and the presumption of innocence is called into question," says the lawyer to the DN.

Maria José Morgado, with her own contradiction, considers that "throughout the civilized world the courts, the Public Ministry and the police publicize their activity as a form of accountability to the community", explains the Deputy Attorney General, in Declarations to DN.

In the pgdl website, on July 11, this communiqué included the crimes for which the accused were accused (falsification of aggravated document, slanderous denunciation, aggravated offense, offense to qualified physical integrity, false witness, torture and other cruel, Degrading or inhuman acts and aggravated kidnapping. ") The same publication also stated that the agents" abused the function and violation of their duties and uttered expressions that offended the body and honor of the offended. " The note ended with the measure of coercion applied (term of identity and residence).

Maria José Morgado argues that "the news is objective and neutral information about a procedural data, in this case the deduction of an accusation." "The principle of the presumption of innocence is part of the rules of production of evidence at the hearing, with the rule of absolution of any defendant at the slightest doubt." The judgment ensures the application of this principle of proof. Very different realities and for very different purposes, "concludes Deputy Attorney General DN.

And what does the law say? The Code of Criminal Procedure defines "the provision of public clarification by the judicial authority where it is necessary for the restoration of the truth and does not prejudice the investigation, either at the request of persons publicly challenged or to ensure the safety of persons and Goods or public tranquility ".

But António Jaime Martins considers that "the usual, even daily, character of these communiqués makes it possible even in cases where justice is not mediated, from that moment on." The head of the Bar also adds that these clarifications are made "only from the perspective of those who investigate, without the defendants whose identity is generally reported by the media, have the faculty to present their version of the facts. It is necessary to ask where is the principle of the presumption of innocence of the visas until judicial decision. Purely and simply, it does not exist ".
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A few interesting similarities came to mind with the situation the McCanns found themselves in with regard to Portuguese Justice and the case above, concerning the police presently under accusation of heavy handedness concerning categories of certain citizens of the Republic.

John Stalker, who believes Madeleine was abducted, was aware that at the time nothing was being divulged from the McCann side.

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" One thing above all worries me: Why have the McCanns and the seven other members of their group – the Tapas Nine – remained so silent?"

“I have a real suspicion that we are not being told the whole truth. There is something else there, some issue that members of the party are embarrassed about”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-490254/McCanns-hiding-big-secret-police-chief claims.html#ixzz4oUWdB02t


The answer for their restraint was of course Judicial Secrecy Laws and the penalties for them if breaking their silence to defend against the lies being told about them.

Filipa Ambrósio de Sousa's report on JUSTICE is the first I have read suggesting the presumption of innocence being compromised ... on this occasion, when the police are on the receiving end of the restriction.


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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Portuguese judicial secrecy law and its impact on the Madeleine case.
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2017, 12:55:10 PM »
If the group, according to Stalker, appeared to be hiding something they have never, in my opinion, offered any clarification since they were free to speak.
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2017, 01:07:41 PM »
If the group, according to Stalker, appeared to be hiding something they have never, in my opinion, offered any clarification since they were free to speak.

Clarification of what exactly?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2017, 07:20:22 AM »
Clarification of what exactly?

Whatever it was that they couldn't talk about due to Judicial secrecy.
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2017, 08:56:08 AM »
Whatever it was that they couldn't talk about due to Judicial secrecy.

Perhaps you may find clarity here ... where there are actually a few informative posts worth reading ...
Topic: Portuguese judicial secrecy laws explained
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5795.0
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2017, 09:42:48 AM »
Perhaps you may find clarity here ... where there are actually a few informative posts worth reading ...
Topic: Portuguese judicial secrecy laws explained
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5795.0

You said in  previous post;

The answer for their restraint was of course Judicial Secrecy Laws and the penalties for them if breaking their silence to defend against the lies being told about them.

I merely observed that there was no need for that restraint subsequently.
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2017, 10:25:34 AM »
You said in  previous post;

The answer for their restraint was of course Judicial Secrecy Laws and the penalties for them if breaking their silence to defend against the lies being told about them.

I merely observed that there was no need for that restraint subsequently.

You really do not have a clue about restraints if any, on individuals who are really none of your concern, therefore your observation should be noted as "opinion".

The narrative at the time was formulated by 'a source close to the investigation' and is the one to which Stalker refers.

The majority of which was nullified with the release of the actual forensic reports which had been so incompetently misinterpreted by the investigation.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Benice

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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2017, 10:27:28 AM »
You said in  previous post;

The answer for their restraint was of course Judicial Secrecy Laws and the penalties for them if breaking their silence to defend against the lies being told about them.

I merely observed that there was no need for that restraint subsequently.

The lies told about them publicly resulted in newspapers having to pay compensation to them.   That should have been enough to confirm to the general public that they had been libelled.  No newspaper is going to pay up - unless they know they haven't got a leg to stand on.

I'm sure they will have discussed the case with people of their own choice.    They are not public property and no-one has the right to demand that they speak to anyone about what is manifestly their own business.

AIMHO

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline G-Unit

Re: Portuguese judicial secrecy law and its impact on the Madeleine case.
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2017, 11:14:12 AM »
You really do not have a clue about restraints if any, on individuals who are really none of your concern, therefore your observation should be noted as "opinion".

The narrative at the time was formulated by 'a source close to the investigation' and is the one to which Stalker refers.

The majority of which was nullified with the release of the actual forensic reports which had been so incompetently misinterpreted by the investigation.

It is you who expressed an opinion; that they were silent due to Judicial secrecy requirements.
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2017, 11:16:51 AM »
The lies told about them publicly resulted in newspapers having to pay compensation to them.   That should have been enough to confirm to the general public that they had been libelled.  No newspaper is going to pay up - unless they know they haven't got a leg to stand on.

I'm sure they will have discussed the case with people of their own choice.    They are not public property and no-one has the right to demand that they speak to anyone about what is manifestly their own business.

AIMHO

Who is demanding they speak? Not I. I merely pointed out to Brietta that Judicial secrecy wasn't necessarily the reason they remained silent.
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2017, 11:17:55 AM »
It is you who expressed an opinion; that they were silent due to Judicial secrecy requirements.

Portuguese Judicial Secrecy Laws are a fact.

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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2017, 11:28:20 AM »
Portuguese Judicial Secrecy Laws are a fact.

But the reason for their silence can only be an opinion.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Eleanor

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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2017, 11:54:33 AM »
But the reason for their silence can only be an opinion.

I don't agree.  Whatever other reason some might wish to imagine, Judicial Secrecy has to be first and foremost because silence is demanded by law.  This is a fact.

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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2017, 12:03:39 PM »
I don't agree.  Whatever other reason some might wish to imagine, Judicial Secrecy has to be first and foremost because silence is demanded by law.  This is a fact.

It became irrelevant after August 2008, and that is also a fact.
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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2017, 12:29:47 PM »
It became irrelevant after August 2008, and that is also a fact.

Irrelevant in more ways than one.  Or is there something in particular that you would like The McCanns to discuss?
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