Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes connection, fact and fiction.

[Sunny]

How much did the 2007-2008 financial crisis contribute to a relative lack of UK visitors? Or perhaps the McCanns triggered that as well?

Or perhaps the financial crisis' effects were exacerbated by the widespread amount of negative publicity that the village of Praia Da Luz received for at least 18 months following Madeleine's disappearance.

[Mr Gray]

Or perhaps the financial crisis' effects were exacerbated by the widespread amount of negative publicity that the village of Praia Da Luz received for at least 18 months following Madeleine's disappearance.

It seems you are relying on the testimony of one man in a newspaper article... Not reliable evidence

[Sunny]

It seems you are relying on the testimony of one man in a newspaper article... Not reliable evidence

Am I davel?   There was a link to a video of the cleaner who lost her job following Madeleine's disappearance and there is a lot more for those who can be bothered to search.   More to the point just what are you and the fellow supporters relying on when you seem to say that the Madeleine case had no effect on Praia Da Luz. Do you have any reliable evidence?

[Mr Gray]

Am I davel?   There was a link to a video of the cleaner who lost her job following Madeleine's disappearance and there is a lot more for those who can be bothered to search.   More to the point just what are you and the fellow supporters relying on when you seem to say that the Madeleine case had no effect on Praia Da Luz. Do you have any reliable evidence?

No reliable evidence either way... The work was seasonal so jobs would have been temporary... Do you have a cite for the cleaner. 

[ShiningInLuz]

No reliable evidence either way... The work was seasonal so jobs would have been temporary... Do you have a cite for the cleaner.

So Vitor dos Santos, Head of Accommodation, 18 years at the OC, was made permanently redundant because his job was 'seasonal'?

Silvia Batista?

Her husband?

You are spreading misinformation.

[Mr Gray]

So Vitor dos Santos, Head of Accommodation, 18 years at the OC, was made permanently redundant because his job was 'seasonal'?

Silvia Batista?

Her husband?

You are spreading misinformation.

Provide evidence to support your claim... Otherwise it's gossip

[Sunny]

Provide evidence to support your claim... Otherwise it's gossip

I see you haven't share anything about all being well, in a financial sense in Praia Da Luz following Madeleine's disappearance.

How about this to show that all was NOT well.

The holiday company at the centre of the Madeleine McCann disappearance has launched a legal action against its insurers to recover lost earnings.

Mark Warner says holidaymakers stayed away from its Praia da Luz resort in Portugal because of the huge media coverage of the disappearance of Madeleine, then aged three, almost two years ago.

The firm filed the writ in the high court seeking compensation from AIG, the big US insurance company, which has had to be bailed out by the US government.

Although the writ has yet to be made public, the Guardian understands that the claim will centre around losses from "interrupted business", normally used to cover businesses that can no longer trade because of flooding or loss of power supplies. AIG is expected to contest the claim.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/apr/04/madeleine-mcann-disappearance-holiday-resort

Not all of the writ was concerning Praia Da Luz but some was. So there was economic loss in the village thanks to Madeleine going missing.

[Mr Gray]

I see you haven't share anything about all being well, in a financial sense in Praia Da Luz following Madeleine's disappearance.

How about this to show that all was NOT well.

The holiday company at the centre of the Madeleine McCann disappearance has launched a legal action against its insurers to recover lost earnings.

Mark Warner says holidaymakers stayed away from its Praia da Luz resort in Portugal because of the huge media coverage of the disappearance of Madeleine, then aged three, almost two years ago.

The firm filed the writ in the high court seeking compensation from AIG, the big US insurance company, which has had to be bailed out by the US government.

Although the writ has yet to be made public, the Guardian understands that the claim will centre around losses from "interrupted business", normally used to cover businesses that can no longer trade because of flooding or loss of power supplies. AIG is expected to contest the claim.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/apr/04/madeleine-mcann-disappearance-holiday-resort

Not all of the writ was concerning Praia Da Luz but some was. So there was economic loss in the village thanks to Madeleine going missing.

 is unclear how far the company's profits were hit by the affair. Its latest accounts show that it made a loss of £2.8m in the year up to October 2007, on a turnover of £46m. It blamed the loss in part to Madeleine's disappearance, saying: "The results for the year reflect the difficult trading conditions experienced by certain parts of the tour operating industry."

This is from the same article... It also says business was bouyant in the summer of 2007


Could you provide a cite that the writ covered losses in PDL...apart from the OC

[sadie]

I do not recall articulating that as my opinion. Please show where I did.

The message I was conveying quite clearly was that acts of vandalism on hoardings have been carried out for many years possibly generations. It happens, but it remains a quantum leap to attribute them to reasons of prejudice unless you know who did it, then stick the thumbscrews on to find out why.  Otherwise you are merely attributing it to groups and reasons that suit your purpose. As many of these acts of vandalism are perpetrated by children anyway you could scarcely be too harsh on them could you? Well not if you wish to maintain the higher moral ground.
If you have not seen hoardings used for target practice you must be very young and not particularly well travelled.

Am i remembering correctly?

Didn't Luz, past member on here, publicly brag about defacing the posters?

Expensive large bus posters attacked, posters painted over and torn up


There was absolute outrage at his actions on here at the time



That, Alice was not the work of children, it was too thorough and well organised

[sadie]

Am I davel?   There was a link to a video of the cleaner who lost her job following Madeleine's disappearance and there is a lot more for those who can be bothered to search.   More to the point just what are you and the fellow supporters relying on when you seem to say that the Madeleine case had no effect on Praia Da Luz. Do you have any reliable evidence?

At the end of the holiday season a good many of the seasonal workers would have lost their jobs.

Same as at any holiday resort and especially so with the deep recession of 2007 - 2008.

[Alice Purjorick]

Am i remembering correctly?

Didn't Luz, past member on here, publicly brag about defacing the posters?

Expensive large bus posters attacked, posters painted over and torn up


There was absolute outrage at his actions on here at the time



That, Alice was not the work of children, it was too thorough and well organised

Do you seeriously believe a bunch of 15 year olds cannot be organised and thorough?

[Sunny]

is unclear how far the company's profits were hit by the affair. Its latest accounts show that it made a loss of £2.8m in the year up to October 2007, on a turnover of £46m. It blamed the loss in part to Madeleine's disappearance, saying: "The results for the year reflect the difficult trading conditions experienced by certain parts of the tour operating industry."

This is from the same article... It also says business was bouyant in the summer of 2007


Could you provide a cite that the writ covered losses in PDL...apart from the OC

Why would the writ cover other losses not incurred by Mark Warner.    They would not be able to claim for losses not covered by their insurance policy.

David Hopkins, the managing director, said at the time: “Our security is terribly robust.” But a company spokesman acknowledged many parents would stay away until the investigation was over.

While some critics focused on security, others questioned why parents Gerry and Kate McCann had chosen not to use a babysitter and instead left their three children in an apartment at the resort while they had dinner nearby, checking them every 30 minutes.

A company spokesman said at the time: “It is a matter of public record that Mark Warner’s bookings to Portugal were affected by events.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-holiday-firm-pulls-4915169

[Brietta]

I see you haven't share anything about all being well, in a financial sense in Praia Da Luz following Madeleine's disappearance.

How about this to show that all was NOT well.

The holiday company at the centre of the Madeleine McCann disappearance has launched a legal action against its insurers to recover lost earnings.

Mark Warner says holidaymakers stayed away from its Praia da Luz resort in Portugal because of the huge media coverage of the disappearance of Madeleine, then aged three, almost two years ago.

The firm filed the writ in the high court seeking compensation from AIG, the big US insurance company, which has had to be bailed out by the US government.

Although the writ has yet to be made public, the Guardian understands that the claim will centre around losses from "interrupted business", normally used to cover businesses that can no longer trade because of flooding or loss of power supplies. AIG is expected to contest the claim.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/apr/04/madeleine-mcann-disappearance-holiday-resort

Not all of the writ was concerning Praia Da Luz but some was. So there was economic loss in the village thanks to Madeleine going missing.

I tend to judge a locale using a variety of factors one of which is graffiti defacement ... in 2014 I would have been singularly unimpressed to find walls and signage so marked leaving a permanent memory of Luz for the sake of a transient occurrence.
Very off putting.

However is this the thread for the discussion of the world economic situation as it affected Luz?

[Robittybob1]

I see you haven't share anything about all being well, in a financial sense in Praia Da Luz following Madeleine's disappearance.

How about this to show that all was NOT well.

The holiday company at the centre of the Madeleine McCann disappearance has launched a legal action against its insurers to recover lost earnings.

Mark Warner says holidaymakers stayed away from its Praia da Luz resort in Portugal because of the huge media coverage of the disappearance of Madeleine, then aged three, almost two years ago.

The firm filed the writ in the high court seeking compensation from AIG, the big US insurance company, which has had to be bailed out by the US government.

Although the writ has yet to be made public, the Guardian understands that the claim will centre around losses from "interrupted business", normally used to cover businesses that can no longer trade because of flooding or loss of power supplies. AIG is expected to contest the claim.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/apr/04/madeleine-mcann-disappearance-holiday-resort

Not all of the writ was concerning Praia Da Luz but some was. So there was economic loss in the village thanks to Madeleine going missing.

They put in a claim but did they get paid out?  I have not seen evidence suggesting they were compensated.

[sadie]

Do you seeriously believe a bunch of 15 year olds cannot be organised and thorough?

Come on, Alice.

What reason would teenagers have to mutilate all the Madeleine posters IMO?   Noteably not only Madeleines face BUT ALSO the PHONE NUMBER TO CONTACT with information

No, imo, it was organised by a cetain group, who for some reason wanted it to be forgotten that an abduction had happened.

I wonder why ?