Wandering Off Topic

[pegasus]

According to Carpenter the T9 were all seated a while before 9pm;
At approximately half past eight, Gerry and Kate and their group of approximately ten people were already seated at their table, which was so close to ours that it was possible to converse with them
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm

8:30pm can't be accurate, because three of the T7 didn't arrive at tapas until about 9pm.
Maybe SC has all his times out by about 30 minutes?
So add 30 mins to his remembered times and maybe the C family left Tapas at about 9:50pm just before KM check?

[Eleanor]

8:30pm can't be accurate, because three of the T7 didn't arrive at tapas until about 9pm.
Maybe SC has all his times out by about 30 minutes?
So add 30 mins to his remembered times and maybe the C family left Tapas at about 9:50pm just before KM check?

This sound reasonable.

[pegasus]

This sound reasonable.

Yes SC and his family left Tapas about 30 minutes later than he remembered IMO.
Just like PS and his family left Dolphin about 30 minutes later than he remembered.
People relaxing having a nice family meal in a restaurant do not watch the clock or rush.

[Eleanor]

Yes SC and his family left Tapas about 30 minutes later than he remembered IMO.
Just like PS and his family left Dolphin about 30 minutes later than he remembered.
People relaxing having a nice family meal in a restaurant do not watch the clock or rush.

I can't tell you what time I woke up this morning, so time differences are not a problem for me.  And I certainly don't look at the clock if I hear a noise.

You come up with some really good stuff, plodding away quietly, never causing a problem and never being unpleasant.
Well done, you.  You deserve much more credit than you get.

[pathfinder73]

8:30pm can't be accurate, because three of the T7 didn't arrive at tapas until about 9pm.
Maybe SC has all his times out by about 30 minutes?
So add 30 mins to his remembered times and maybe the C family left Tapas at about 9:50pm just before KM check?

MO said Kate left the table at 9:50 but unfortunately SC never said if the voice was male or female. That would narrow down the possibilities.

[Eleanor]

MO said Kate left the table at 9:50 but unfortunately SC never said if the voice was male or female. That would narrow down the possibilities.

You do well as well.

[G-Unit]

8:30pm can't be accurate, because three of the T7 didn't arrive at tapas until about 9pm.
Maybe SC has all his times out by about 30 minutes?
So add 30 mins to his remembered times and maybe the C family left Tapas at about 9:50pm just before KM check?

Why do you decide that Carpenter was wrong as opposed to the T9?

[pegasus]

A new question no-one ever asked before.
What is the absolute latest possible time the child could have still been in the apartment?

[pegasus]

Why do you decide that Carpenter was wrong as opposed to the T9?

I have not solved this one yet Misty.

[misty]

Why do you decide that Carpenter was wrong as opposed to the T9?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm

*snipped*

DCF: Yes, is there anyone you remember that night, did you see anyone in the area'

SC: No.

DCF: At what time did you go to bed'

SC: Almost immediately, we put the children to bed because it was already quite late for them, humm... about half past ten, yes, about half past ten (inaudible).

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Work backwards from 10.30pm.

[pegasus]

(snip) Work backwards from 10.30pm.

Working back from 10.30pm, here's a possible timeline.
Probably the c family left restaurant one or two minutes before KM left restaurant to check her children.
KM's check, and her run back towards restaurant, and the rush of 7 people from restaurant, all happen during the c family's walk home. And just before getting home mrs c hears the first searcher who headed east (GM), shouting the girl's name.

[pathfinder73]

Working back from 10.30pm, probably the Carpenter family left restaurant one or two minutes before KM left restaurant to check her children.
KM's check, her run back towards restaurant, and the rush of 7 people from restaurant, all happen during C family's walk home. And just before getting home she hears the first searcher who headed east (GM?), shouting the girl's name.

Kate should be the only one shouting for Madeleine on her check so it should be her voice Mrs Carpenter heard.

[pegasus]

Kate should be the only one shouting for Madeleine on her check so it should be her voice Mrs Carpenter heard.

If KM shouted from apartment before running back to restaurant, it was not audible at the restaurant, therefore it was not audible near the c family apartment.

IMO mrs c heard the very first searcher to go east along the start of the lobster route, which was GM.

[Brietta]

If KM shouted from apartment before running back to restaurant, it was not audible at the restaurant, therefore it was not audible near the c family apartment.

IMO mrs c heard the very first searcher to go east along the start of the lobster route, which was GM.

Not necessarily, Pegasus.  One of the first things Kate did on discovering her disappearance was to look out of the window for Madeleine.  In my opinion it would have been logical for her to scream Madeleine's name while doing so.

[pegasus]

Not necessarily, Pegasus.  One of the first things Kate did on discovering her disappearance was to look out of the window for Madeleine.  In my opinion it would have been logical for her to scream Madeleine's name while doing so.

Good thinking Brietta - shouting out of child's bedroom window which faces north would certainly be inaudible at restaurant, but IMO would also be inaudible near c family's apartment. I show you map of c family walk home ...

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