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Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #195 on: April 02, 2016, 03:35:22 PM »
Good thinking Brietta - shouting out of child's bedroom window which faces north would certainly be inaudible at restaurant, but IMO would also be inaudible near c family's apartment. I show you map of c family walk home ...

Sound waves travel and bounce in odd directions and are affected by many factors.

Stephen was concentrating on negotiating crossing the road because of the parked cars and heard nothing.  His wife may perhaps have been more receptive.
It would be interesting to be able to read her first statement for comparison with his ... particularly as he seemed concerned about some "the truthful recording of the facts and that they could have had some distortions by what you have read about the event."
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #196 on: April 02, 2016, 04:15:59 PM »
Good thinking Brietta - shouting out of child's bedroom window which faces north would certainly be inaudible at restaurant, but IMO would also be inaudible near c family's apartment. I show you map of c family walk home ...

She didn't say that in her statement. Let's stick to the facts.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #197 on: April 02, 2016, 04:38:29 PM »
She didn't say that in her statement. Let's stick to the facts.

Don't you think if you were sticking your head out of a window to look for someone in similar circumstances ... the logical thing would also be shouting that person's name as loud as you could?

The statements are not 'action replays', nor were they verbatim or recorded in video or audio.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline pegasus

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #198 on: April 02, 2016, 05:01:30 PM »
Kate should be the only one shouting for Madeleine on her check so it should be her voice Mrs Carpenter heard.
OK that is possible, CC hears KM shouting just after she discovers the apparent disappearance from the apartment.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #199 on: April 02, 2016, 05:15:07 PM »
Don't you think if you were sticking your head out of a window to look for someone in similar circumstances ... the logical thing would also be shouting that person's name as loud as you could?

The statements are not 'action replays', nor were they verbatim or recorded in video or audio.

Of course it would be normal but there is nothing normal in their actions that night. Leaving children in an unsecured apartment next to two main roads is hard for many to believe and then tampering with the crime scene (window/shutter) before the police arrived much later are two facts that stand out.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #200 on: April 02, 2016, 05:20:32 PM »
Of course it would be normal but there is nothing normal in their actions that night. Leaving children in an unsecured apartment next to two main roads is hard for many to believe and then tampering with the crime scene (window/shutter) before the police arrived much later are two facts that stand out.
Who did CC hear shouting in your theory PF?

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #201 on: April 02, 2016, 05:48:54 PM »
Of course it would be normal but there is nothing normal in their actions that night. Leaving children in an unsecured apartment next to two main roads is hard for many to believe and then tampering with the crime scene (window/shutter) before the police arrived much later are two facts that stand out.
If they had gone for dinner earlier than 8.30pm, then describing the roads as "two main roads" is something I might well agree with.

By the time supermarket Baptista closed at 8pm that evening, these were quiet roads, a fact that is possibly important in understanding the incident.
What's up, old man?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #202 on: April 02, 2016, 05:50:27 PM »
Steve Carpenter saw 'cars' (plural) to his left when he left the Tapas complex. Cars were parked there between 21.10 and 21.40 according to one witness;

When he arrived there, by vehicle, at around 21:10, he remembers that next to the Tapas reception, he saw a vehicle, dark blue in colour, with Portuguese license plates. Although he cannot be definite, he believes it was a Fiesta or Focus. The deponent furthers that is was not a small car, and for this reason it could very well have been a Focus and not a Fiesta. He tells that he does not remember any sticker indicating that it was a rental car. Inside the vehicle he saw no one.
. After parking his vehicle...........

 Later, at around 21:40, he left the restaurant passing through the same esplanade where moments before, he had seen the same table occupied by the three couples, empty, who had left in the meanwhile various items, principally clothing. He was told by his colleagues that the child who had disappeared was a child of one of those couples;
. When he left, he noticed that the dark blue vehicle was no longer in its location
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #203 on: April 02, 2016, 06:01:48 PM »
Who did CC hear shouting in your theory PF?

If she heard shouting it connects to Kate at around 9:50. If not it connects to the one who removed her but I doubt he/she would be shouting for people to hear before committing a crime.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

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« Reply #204 on: April 02, 2016, 10:28:07 PM »
If she heard shouting it connects to Kate at around 9:50. (snip)
Good we agree on that PF.

Offline pegasus

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #205 on: April 02, 2016, 10:46:27 PM »
(snip) I'll be interested to hear  someone's take on a conversation between 2 burglars concerning "what to do about the child"
Misty do you mean "why did you bring her here?"
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/488487/EXCLUSIVE-Potential-key-witness-McCann-case

Offline misty

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #206 on: April 02, 2016, 11:00:21 PM »
Misty do you mean "why did you bring her here?"
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/488487/EXCLUSIVE-Potential-key-witness-McCann-case

No. I meant a conversation which may have taken place soon after the wannabe burglars discovered the target property contained a child and they were forced to scarper without entering.

Offline pegasus

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« Reply #207 on: April 02, 2016, 11:10:29 PM »
No. I meant a conversation which may have taken place soon after the wannabe burglars discovered the target property contained a child and they were forced to scarper without entering.
It is very possible there is a burglar or pair of burglars out there, who opened that shutter and window, saw children inside, scarpered PDQ, and had nothing to do with the subsequent disappearance.
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Offline misty

Re: Wandering Off Topic
« Reply #208 on: April 02, 2016, 11:18:40 PM »
It is very possible there is a burglar or pair of burglars out there, who opened that shutter and window, saw children inside, scarpered PDQ, and had nothing to do with the subsequent disappearance.

You have a plausible theory which started the chain of events. Do you not agree that the theory stalls at the point the burglars scarper?

Offline pegasus

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« Reply #209 on: April 02, 2016, 11:25:55 PM »
You have a plausible theory which started the chain of events. Do you not agree that the theory stalls at the point the burglars scarper?
It doesn't stall. The chain of events continues logically.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2016, 11:28:09 PM by pegasus »