Sceptics beliefs ?

[John]

So if a suspected abductor is charged and tried in a court of law there would be no reference made of the open window and raised shutter, because it wouldn’t be evidence of an intruder entering the apartment, is that what you’re claiming? ?

An open window and a raised shutter might be indicative of an intruder but isn't evidence of such in its own right. There would have to be other evidence such as a forced entry, footprints or scuff marks on the window sills or walls etc...

There are no independent witnesses who could testify to the window being open or the shutter being raised.

[Venturi Swirl]

That's very different. They had other evidence.

It’s very similar IMO.  A child was taken from her bed and she didn’t wake up when taken, nor was any forensic evidence left at the scene. 

[Venturi Swirl]

Alesha was abducted in the early hours of the morning when everyone was most probably in bed asleep or if not certainly in their houses. Madeleine’s abduction, if it took place, happened around 9.30ish when there were people out and about and there would have been more chance of anything suspicious being seen.

Plenty of suspicious activity was seen, read the files.  Incidentally, your argument doesn’t seem to extend to the person who chose that busy time to carry a corpse through town and dump it in a bin!

[Venturi Swirl]

An open window and a raised shutter might be indicative of an intruder but isn't evidence of such in its own right. There would have to be other evidence such as a forced entry, footprints or scuff marks on the window sills or walls etc...

There are no independent witnesses who could testify to the window being open or the shutter being raised.

Of course it’s evidence and it would be presented as such at a trial of an anyone charged with entering the apartment and taking the child.

[G-Unit]

There was no evidence of forced entry ... there was no evidence of burglary ... there was no evidence that anything had been disturbed ... there was no evidence the psychopath had been anywhere near the flat let alone had entered it and had taken Alesha.
No-one saw or heard a thing.

What do you think makes that "very different" from apartment 5A?

I was referring to evidence which could be used in court to gain a conviction. The open window and shutters implicate no-one.

[Angelo222]

Of course it’s evidence and it would be presented as such at a trial of an anyone charged with entering the apartment and taking the child.

Evidence of what?  That someone opened them.   

There is no corroborating evidence whatsoever that any third party entered the children's bedroom let alone abducted Maddie.  There is real evidence though that she wandered out and was lifted from the street outside.

[faithlilly]

Evidence of what?  That someone opened them.   

There is no corroborating evidence whatsoever that any third party entered the children's bedroom let alone abducted Maddie.  There is real evidence though that she wandered out and was lifted from the street outside.

What ?

[Angelo222]

What ?

A fresh scent trail which ended abruptly right opposite mini reception where Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins stood chatting minutes earlier.

[faithlilly]

A fresh scent trail which ended abruptly right opposite mini reception where Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins stood chatting minutes earlier.

Is that it ?

[G-Unit]

Of course it’s evidence and it would be presented as such at a trial of an anyone charged with entering the apartment and taking the child.

Why? In what context?

[pathfinder73]

Ah ... the infamous blue bag of sceptic belief ~ I had forgotten about that one.

... be it tennis bag ... or golf bag ... any bag will do. 

There was even a handy photograph of Gerry on the links complete with golf bag ... so guess what?

Far too opportune to allow that one to pass ... and grown men actually sat in front of that image and discussed putting a child's body into a bag.  If that doesn't smack of desperation, I don't know what does.

Two main luggage bags were booked on the plane and only one was photographed in crime scene photos. One main luggage bag is missing from crime scene photos and any  proper investigation would identify that bag.

[Brietta]

Two main luggage bags were booked on the plane and only one was photographed in crime scene photos. One main luggage bag is missing from crime scene photos and any  proper investigation would identify that bag.

I concur ... "any proper investigation would identify that bag" ... probably still had the outgoing stickers attached.

So no worries then ... Amaral would have ensured all proper diligences were followed then don't you think?  Or at the least one would have thought there might have been one teensy 'bag' question asked at the arguida interrogation ... but there wasn't, was there?

One of two things then ... the police were satisfied there was no problem concerning a bag ... or the police were incompetent.  Which do you think?

[Venturi Swirl]

Evidence of what?  That someone opened them.   

There is no corroborating evidence whatsoever that any third party entered the children's bedroom let alone abducted Maddie.  There is real evidence though that she wandered out and was lifted from the street outside.

So are you saying that the evidence of the open window and shutter would be disallowed as evidence in court?  A simple yes or no will suffice.

[Venturi Swirl]

Why? In what context?

What do you mean why?  Do you think at a trial of an alleged abductor the open window and shutter would be disallowed as evidence, or not referred to?

[pathfinder73]

I concur ... "any proper investigation would identify that bag" ... probably still had the outgoing stickers attached.

So no worries then ... Amaral would have ensured all proper diligences were followed then don't you think?  Or at the least one would have thought there might have been one teensy 'bag' question asked at the arguida interrogation ... but there wasn't, was there?

One of two things then ... the police were satisfied there was no problem concerning a bag ... or the police were incompetent.  Which do you think?

They would need to check airport CCTV footage. I don't know if they did that but it should have been done.