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Offline Guiltyascharged

Re: Luke Mitchell - Witness Scott Forbes
« Reply #810 on: January 21, 2023, 10:35:29 AM »
Sure yer no.... Done exactly as she would, still avoided the question. Is it they or jodi ??? From ao not lm?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Luke Mitchell - Witness Scott Forbes
« Reply #811 on: January 21, 2023, 12:51:17 PM »
Sure yer no.... Done exactly as she would, still avoided the question. Is it they or jodi ??? From ao not lm?

I didn’t make the claim so am in no way obligated to answer. The answer makes not a scintilla of difference to Luke’s guilt or innocence….my main concern. What it is yet again is tinkering around the periphery of the case in order to deflect. I’m afraid I’m not willing to take part in that kind of nonsense.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline KenMair

Re: Luke Mitchell - Witness Scott Forbes
« Reply #812 on: January 21, 2023, 03:17:09 PM »
Just catching up, and well, reading through some of those comments below the latest video, Forbes and Val Young is it? Must have about 2000 comments between them lol, don't these people have day jobs? Anyway, after reading some of the nonsense getting spouted from those that support the Mitchell's, we can be 100% sure that Luke will be spending many more years behind bars.

It really is a cesspit and Forbes seems to have attracted the remnants of the Jeremy Kyle audience, ranting about lie detectors and new evidence. As you say, it will do LM more harm than good in the long run.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Luke Mitchell - Witness Scott Forbes
« Reply #813 on: January 21, 2023, 03:56:15 PM »
It really is a cesspit and Forbes seems to have attracted the remnants of the Jeremy Kyle audience, ranting about lie detectors and new evidence. As you say, it will do LM more harm than good in the long run.

Do you really think that a few thousand comments or members in a Facebook group, no matter what their intelligence levels, will hamper Luke’s chances of having his conviction quashed? Really? It won’t..much like detractors like your good self won’t keep him in jail if new evidence suggests he’s innocent.

Police Scotland and the Scottish legal system will hold on for grim death but if there’s evidence to be found that exonerates Luke it will be found and neither you nor I or a million keyboard warriors will be able to sabotage that.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Parky41

Re: Luke Mitchell - Witness Scott Forbes
« Reply #814 on: January 21, 2023, 03:56:51 PM »
“Even fits with AO saying Jodi had just left during the call made from Luke around 5.40”

…..IF the couple seen by AB was Luke and Jodi and if she was right how can Luke have been on the Newbattle Road at around the same time to be seen by Andrew Holborn et al? Of course it would also mean that the Walsh/Fleming sighting could never have happened.

Of course we’ve discussed the contention that the first statement taken from a witness is almost always the most reliable…why is discussed in the link below.

14. Moreover, developing statements through numerous drafts, getting the witness to retell the story over and over, is a process which may corrupt memory and render the final product less reliable than the first “unvarnished” recollection.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Witness-statement-working-group-Final-Report-1-1.pdf


The timings in AB’s first statement were determined by fixed points in her day..picking up her children from school, the supermarket receipt etc. Everything fitted, nothing was forced and of course the statement was taken when AB’s recall was at its sharpest. How the time supplied by the bank for AB’s supermarket checkout was accepted over her supermarket receipt has never been satisfactorily explained or indeed how thoroughly the discrepancy in time was investigated. How readily the defence appear to have simply accepted the prosecution’s explanation for this time anomaly, for me, is one of the most frustrating elements of a desperately frustrating case.

Another anomaly directly related to AB’s sighting is the lack of a police appeal for the couple seen by  her to come forward and eliminate themselves. While the police made many appeals for other individuals to come forward including the moped boys, the lady with the pram and even stocky man no appeal was ever made for the young couple seen at RDP. If Luke was not, as some contend, a suspect at the time the lack of an appeal is puzzling. The couple could have eliminated themselves but more importantly may have seen something pertinent to the investigation. Could it be that the time of the sighting in AB’s first statement was thought by the police to be just too late to be relevant? That would certainly be the logical conclusion.

Of course the lack of an identity parade in relation to AB’s identification of Luke, in contravention of all police guidelines, was nothing short of mystifying. The white background on the photograph of Luke picked out by AB has been discussed infinitum but what is discussed less is Luke’s hair in the photograph….bear with me. AB, in her first statement could not describe any of the facial features of the male youth she saw. She described the clothes he wore and his hair “ sandy brown sticking up in a clump at the back”. The polaroid that was shown to AB showed Luke with obviously blonde hair with wispy hair at the nape of his neck..some think this is the ‘clump’ described by AB…but the photograph was taken at least six weeks after the murder. As already posted she couldn’t describe his face and in the photograph his clothes were different so there was only one way she could have identified him, his hair. In the six weeks between sighting and identification what had happened to that hair? Had it been longer in June and cut shorter by August? Had it been short in June and was longer by August? Was it ever established if it was in a different style in June? Was his hair blonder at the start of the summer? For an identification that seemed to rely solely on the style of the sighting’s hair the questions above seem to have been the minimum that should have been asked. Why weren’t they?

Meanwhile in reality - First statements, best recall. Love it.

CM we had no shopping, had missed out that she had been shopping. Her best recall of driving down the "Beeches" home. her usual time stepping indoors.

LM, best recall, mum arrived home her usual time, we had burnt pies, no shopping, no mum with any shopping when she arrived home at her usual time.

Both, best recall, it was a very relaxed affair, mother and son together helping sort the rest of dinner, mother outback in the dreich weather enjoying the sunshine, Luke in front of the TV, no indigestion - Lovely recall. first statements.

SM I went home, Luke was not there, I did not see him because he was still at school. Luke spoken about, no memory, no recall of talking with Luke on the phone, the claim that it was to say he would be late home. - Best recall, memory, accuracy, hours from that murder taken place.

Three days later with massive discussion going on in that house, no memory, no recall, the same story, that winging it. Two people to back the other up, all that they thought was needed. The heat is on, SM this time a formal interview within those station walls. Still the same, straight home, no call, no Luke. Dinner? Dam, what dinner and the "I cannot remember" card it played.

Not good, mother has now included him, she is going to be exposed for lying, help me please Shane, for you mother, anything? - Innocence would have been waiting, not rushing to change a statement by request of his mother, to lie to the police for his mother. By phoning the police to change his account. his mother had told him exactly what had taken place - Memory, best recall.

Friday and bang, the computer is taken, shit! Did not bank on that, dam, why the hell have they taken my computer, now they are going to know I was on the internet and not in the kitchen with any brother mashing totties!

Three people from the same household, who had no best memory, no recall, who gave no truth in those first statements, who stuck at those first statements until bang again - CCTV footage and those phone logs produced. - That which was clearly winging it came crashing down about them. - Luke Mitchell was not home.

This best memory, first recall, that very relaxed dinner tale, nicely spread out to cover, right up to and inclusive of that sighting by F&W. 35mins down to just 13mins.

Luke Mitchell I went out to meet with Jodi walking down, I waited a short while, yes he did indeed wait a short while, truth at last, that intentional window of opportunity to be seen on that road around the estate entrance. But dam it turned into 90mins, with around 70mins unaccounted for around the estate entrance - But he was seen elsewhere, by F&W at the wooden gate, by that lovely couple as he tried to exit back on to Newbattle Road, to make his way down to the entrance of that estate, to place himself in that, intentional window of opportunity.

But dam, it was massive police manipulation of witnesses, who were all out to get that boy, that child, to fit him up, for all the police cared about was a hit! No thought for that young girl who had been brutally murdered. - Have a word!

AB - Told exactly what she had been doing, told of seeing that couple with guesstimates, not clock watching and no reason to be. The Jones family, the exact same, a series of events, those guesstimates, there was no clock watching, no concoction of events put in place. And on it goes, checked up on and checked out - Telling the truth.

So spare us this bollocks trying to evade that stark reality - Three people, same household, best memory recall, first statements, exposed and blown wide open.

Offline KenMair

Re: Luke Mitchell - Witness Scott Forbes
« Reply #815 on: January 21, 2023, 07:46:01 PM »
Do you really think that a few thousand comments or members in a Facebook group, no matter what their intelligence levels, will hamper Luke’s chances of having his conviction quashed? Really? It won’t..much like detractors like your good self won’t keep him in jail if new evidence suggests he’s innocent.

Police Scotland and the Scottish legal system will hold on for grim death but if there’s evidence to be found that exonerates Luke it will be found and neither you nor I or a million keyboard warriors will be able to sabotage that.

No I don't think social media will influence any part of LM's future. However nodding dogs accusing the Jones family of murder may taint any possible future investigation. 

The Mitchell camp (in general) seem devoid of any ability to debate the case - obviously not your good self - without accusing someone of being a troll or liar.  There are grown adults saying their hearts are aching for Luke and sending messages to him at HMP Shotts to cheer him up? Regardless of his guilt, he comes across as a deeply unpleasant and disturbing person (and yes I've not met him).

Offline faithlilly

Re: Luke Mitchell - Witness Scott Forbes
« Reply #816 on: January 21, 2023, 08:20:52 PM »

AB - Told exactly what she had been doing, told of seeing that couple with guesstimates, not clock watching and no reason to be. The Jones family, the exact same, a series of events, those guesstimates, there was no clock watching, no concoction of events put in place. And on it goes, checked up on and checked out - Telling the truth.
So spare us this bollocks trying to evade that stark reality - Three people, same household, best memory recall, first statements, exposed and blown wide open.

Agreed. In her first statement AB did tell the truth and did tell the investigators EXACTLY what she had done and in which order. Of course she estimated some of the times but always in relation to fixed points in her afternoon…her daughter arriving home from school at 4.05 and immediately departing for the supermarket. 10 minutes journey to the supermarket arriving at around 4.15 and then the weekly shop and checking the shopping out in around 30 minutes, working in exactly with the supermarket till receipt time of 4.45. These were the times given twice by AB in two separate  statements on two different days with time in between to really work out her timings. The latterly accepted 4.32 bank statement would have left barely 17 minutes for AB to carry out her weekly shopping and check out…if, as the prosecution maintained, she saw Luke and Jodi. Perhaps you can explain Parky when exactly AB looked for and found the house for sale that she wanted to view?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Luke Mitchell - Witness Scott Forbes
« Reply #817 on: January 21, 2023, 08:42:30 PM »
No I don't think social media will influence any part of LM's future. However nodding dogs accusing the Jones family of murder may taint any possible future investigation. 

The Mitchell camp (in general) seem devoid of any ability to debate the case - obviously not your good self - without accusing someone of being a troll or liar.  There are grown adults saying their hearts are aching for Luke and sending messages to him at HMP Shotts to cheer him up? Regardless of his guilt, he comes across as a deeply unpleasant and disturbing person (and yes I've not met him).

I’m not sure why you think that any accusations against anyone connected to the case will taint any investigation in the future although perhaps you recognise what a devastating role gossip and tittle tattle had in Luke’s case?

As to “the Mitchell camp” there’s good and bad in every large group. Since contributing to this page I’ve been accused of being multiple personalities as well as carrying out multiple calumnies. Do I judge everyone here harshly because of it…of course not. As to Luke, if you’ve never met him how can you possibly know what he’s like in RL? I have several friends who’ve been monstered by the media and unless you’ve experienced it you can have no idea how far they will go to blacken your name.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline John

Re: Luke Mitchell - Witness Scott Forbes
« Reply #818 on: January 21, 2023, 09:55:28 PM »
I’m not sure why you think that any accusations against anyone connected to the case will taint any investigation in the future although perhaps you recognise what a devastating role gossip and tittle tattle had in Luke’s case?

As to “the Mitchell camp” there’s good and bad in every large group. Since contributing to this page I’ve been accused of being multiple personalities as well as carrying out multiple calumnies. Do I judge everyone here harshly because of it…of course not. As to Luke, if you’ve never met him how can you possibly know what he’s like in RL? I have several friends who’ve been monstered by the media and unless you’ve experienced it you can have no idea how far they will go to blacken your name.

Ask Shane Mitchell, he knows the truth.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline KenMair

Re: Luke Mitchell - Witness Scott Forbes
« Reply #819 on: January 21, 2023, 10:35:37 PM »
Ask Shane Mitchell, he knows the truth.

True, but according to LM defenders he just wants a quiet life so won't speak out, which is why he never visits his brother or mother since the trial.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Luke Mitchell - Witness Scott Forbes
« Reply #820 on: January 21, 2023, 11:24:41 PM »
True, but according to LM defenders he just wants a quiet life so won't speak out, which is why he never visits his brother or mother since the trial.

How do you know this?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline John

Re: Luke Mitchell - Witness Scott Forbes
« Reply #821 on: January 22, 2023, 07:21:54 PM »
True, but according to LM defenders he just wants a quiet life so won't speak out, which is why he never visits his brother or mother since the trial.

Shane smashed Luke's alibi into a million pieces when he gave evidence that he was alone in the family home. Strange one really!
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Mr Apples

Re: Luke Mitchell - Witness Scott Forbes
« Reply #822 on: January 22, 2023, 09:08:34 PM »
Shane smashed Luke's alibi into a million pieces when he gave evidence that he was alone in the family home. Strange one really!

He did. His evidence and the missing parka evidence are the two most incriminating pieces of evidence agains LM, followed closely by the record time he found that poor girl's butchered body in (indicative of LM's 'guilty knowledge', imo).

Btw, John, do you think Jodi's murder was premeditated? And, what is your theory as to why LM was seen on N'battle rd wearing a parka @ 1740 and then seen wearing only a bomber jacket @ just before 1800 on N'battle Rd?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Luke Mitchell - Witness Scott Forbes
« Reply #823 on: January 22, 2023, 09:42:04 PM »
Shane smashed Luke's alibi into a million pieces when he gave evidence that he was alone in the family home. Strange one really!

You have known since Luke’s trial about Shane’s court testimony yet continued to support him until relatively recently. What changed your mind?
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Bullseye

Re: Luke Mitchell - Witness Scott Forbes
« Reply #824 on: January 22, 2023, 10:41:42 PM »
Shane smashed Luke's alibi into a million pieces when he gave evidence that he was alone in the family home. Strange one really!

Is there a transcript anywhere for the questions and answers Shane gave at court? I’m assume is that not something the public can view, like in America im sure all the information from court cases are open to public?
I’d love to have actually seen and heard what Shane actually said in what context, as this is key for me.  There has been so much said about how he was pushed to say stuff by prosecutors etc. He must know what happened that night, or if his brother was capable of such a crime, we would all love to hear his side but unfortunately it will never happen I don’t think. I understand if he wants a quiet life but I can’t imagine he will be getting much if one with all the online weirdo’s out there no doubt messaging him.