A thought indeed for this missing boy (now an adult if he's still out there somewhere).
Did he have an accident whilst his parents turned their backs or did someone snatch him?
His family needs to know.
The spelling of his name is odd... I doubt that it's correct.
A thought indeed for this missing boy (now an adult if he's still out there somewhere).René Hasée
Did he have an accident whilst his parents turned their backs or did someone snatch him?
His family needs to know.
The spelling of his name is odd... I doubt that it's correct.
A thought indeed for this missing boy (now an adult if he's still out there somewhere).
Did he have an accident whilst his parents turned their backs or did someone snatch him?
His family needs to know.
The spelling of his name is odd... I doubt that it's correct.
It is correct spelling of his name, Carana.
Also, seems the file is lost. According to report in 2008.
A thought indeed for this missing boy (now an adult if he's still out there somewhere).René Hasée
Did he have an accident whilst his parents turned their backs or did someone snatch him?
His family needs to know.
The spelling of his name is odd... I doubt that it's correct.
The mother says he was in front of her and her partner and suddenly was like swallowed by the earth. What can one do with this kind of statement, along with the fact the mother pretends the police did nothing (of course denied by witnesses) ?
Do the PJ actually solve any crimes?
Do the PJ actually solve any crimes?
Sparing your applauses, DCI, could be a good idea ;)Do the PJ actually solve any crimes?
8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
Sorry, Redblossom, I have to correct you if you don't mind : Guten Abend or Gute Nacht or Bonne nuit or Boa noite !Do the PJ actually solve any crimes?
What do you think? pls do provide statistics for crimes solved in Portugal versus all other countries to support your view that the PT police are rubbish, look forward to it, till then, bon nuit and have fun researching
fair haired like all the younger childen who went missing.I had a cleaning lady from Capverde, she had 12 children and more than 20 grand-children. Behind her you would think she was 30, beautiful body, she had the face of a feiticeira (a magician).
Not at all AnneHave you been in the north of Portugal, Sadie ?
just stating a fact. All the younger abductees were fair
One of my very best friends is a Jamaican lady .. wonderful person
Dear little Rene Hasse - fair haired like all the younger childen who went missing.
As John says missing from the Amoreira beach near to Aljezur on the Atlantic Coast of the Algarve. A beautiful deep beach with wonderful Atlantic rollers coming in. All the way from the US of A. A surfers paradise and only 17-18 miles crow flies from PdL..
We went there in 2010, but unfortunately we took the wrong side road and ended up on a cliffside to the south of it and could only look down on this big beach from the heights. We were short of time and never actually went down to the beach as it involved quite a detour
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When one critically examines this this beach on GEarth, somewhere to the middle back of the beach one sees a building (restaurant, surfing shack or what?) with a car park behind it. The car park would be hidden from much of the beach by this building..
Adjoining this beach, immediately to the North of this building, there is a fairly extensive area of deep sand dunes. To the rear of the dunes and the building there is the car park.
If John has the time a GEarth image would be appreciated, including a shot of the dunes [Am talking about the shots one gets when a blue square is opened]. One particular shot shows very deep dunes.
Only if you have the time John and can do it without too much bother.
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Be prepared, another of sadies theories coming up @)(++(*
[Please note that despite my best intentions, I was unable to view this close up, so there is room for errors!]
My thoughts are that Rene was trotting around investigating things, as kids at the seaside do, when he wandered into the edge of the sand dunes. There was a small group of young men, possibly from the regular Algarve, come here specifically for the surfing.
One of these men liked the look of Rene and the others joined in, enticing Rene and then carrying him to their vehicle before driving off. It would be possible to carry him/entice him virtually all the way to the car park without being seen
What happened next I have no idea
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As I said above, I have been unable to test my theory because of time contraints, but it seems plausable.
Tin hat on, bunkered down ... waiting for the criticisms, taunts and possible insults! 8(0(* @)(++(*
When I was looking at this story yesterday Sadie, I couldn't find any reference to where they actually were when Rene went missing. In fact some of the family web postings have disappeared now.
I keep asking myself, if Rene was only a matter of 20 feet or so in front of his parents and they had sight of him how could he possibly disappear in a big wide open beach? Do you think their story is true?
When I was looking at this story yesterday Sadie, I couldn't find any reference to where they actually were when Rene went missing. In fact some of the family web postings have disappeared now.
I keep asking myself, if Rene was only a matter of 20 feet or so in front of his parents and they had sight of him how could he possibly disappear in a big wide open beach? Do you think their story is true?
just a report in a red top
but waves in the Algarve can be treacherous - that's why surfing is such a big sport down there
A little boy playing near the water's edge would not have any chance
That too would explain his footprints suddenly disappearing
I don't think he was being flippant so lets all take a deep breath. ?{)(**
JOHN THE WRONG IMAGE IS ON POST 24. Any chance you could change it pls for the GE image entitled CLOSE UP.
Thanks
John,I don't think he was being flippant so lets all take a deep breath. ?{)(**JOHN THE WRONG IMAGE IS ON POST 24. Any chance you could change it pls for the GE image entitled CLOSE UP.Sadie. Can you send me that one again, I think I received the same one twice.
Thanks
I have 3 GE images and 3 photos.
Also, if I reduced the GE images to fit the board you would not be able to read the text thus why I have retained them full size but with a slider bar at the bottom.
When I was looking at this story yesterday Sadie, I couldn't find any reference to where they actually were when Rene went missing. In fact some of the family web postings have disappeared now.
I keep asking myself, if Rene was only a matter of 20 feet or so in front of his parents and they had sight of him how could he possibly disappear in a big wide open beach? Do you think their story is true?
That's one version - the Bild report above paints an entirely different picture - but let's look at some colourful aerial shots of the Algarve instead, shall we?
I have been out all day so am just catching up now. My first impression about this case is that something stinks. Why was the mother telling a load of porkies about how they were all out for a walk and Rene was just yards in front when in her own words the ground swallowed him up???? Were these parents new world hippies on drugs by any chance??
The second story about Rene being down near the waters edge is more plausible. From the pictures it can be seen that there is a blind spot from the restaurant to the beach. The beach would also have had quite a few people still on it at that time of year so I would rule out him being swallowed up by a large wave.
My own view is that he was enticed away by someone and then abducted.
"But he was terrified of the waves would never have gone alone into the sea. Moreover, his footsteps stopped right in the sand. "
What is troubling me is that this report did not turn up when I scoured the internet originally.
I have never heard any intimation that the footprints suddenly finished at the ocean, which your excellent translation does.
So I tried Google translating it and other translations but none of them read like yours, registrar, which clearly implies that Rene went into the sea.
In fact Google translation came out with virtually the opposite slant. ie,
Grandma talkingQuote"But he was terrified of the waves would never have gone alone into the sea. Moreover, his footsteps stopped right in the sand. "
Elsewhere, altho I cant find it again, I read that his footprints were right in the middle of the beach. This is the only report that seems to have him taking his clothes off. My mind is buzzing. Once again this evening I have spent hours and hours searching the internet
This is the problem with translations, especially with a German To English translation, cos we have so many words to describe things in all shades ...and I believe that Germany has far fewer, so differences do occur. In most cases it isn't important but in this case it could be.
/SNIP/- But there are other interesting parallels: On 19 Disappeared in June 1996 the then six-year-old Rene Hasee from Sindelsdorf (NRW), walk on the beach in the resort of Amoreira - also in Portugal! The place is only about an hour from Praia da Luz.
Police believe Martin N. had at that time been in Portugal and now checks his travels in the past 20 years,the "Express"./SNIP/-
@)(++(* I agree they are gawd awful, but I used several different translators and the emphasis seemed to be in the direction of the google one rather than your interpretation. Soz 8)-))) 8(>((What is troubling me is that this report did not turn up when I scoured the internet originally.
I have never heard any intimation that the footprints suddenly finished at the ocean, which your excellent translation does.
So I tried Google translating it and other translations but none of them read like yours, registrar, which clearly implies that Rene went into the sea.
In fact Google translation came out with virtually the opposite slant. ie,
Grandma talkingQuote"But he was terrified of the waves would never have gone alone into the sea. Moreover, his footsteps stopped right in the sand. "
Elsewhere, altho I cant find it again, I read that his footprints were right in the middle of the beach. This is the only report that seems to have him taking his clothes off. My mind is buzzing. Once again this evening I have spent hours and hours searching the internet
This is the problem with translations, especially with a German To English translation, cos we have so many words to describe things in all shades ...and I believe that Germany has far fewer, so differences do occur. In most cases it isn't important but in this case it could be.
you are very welcome to Google translations
@)(++(* I agree they are gawd awful, but I used several different translators and the emphasis seemed to be in the direction of the google one rather than your interpretation. Soz 8)-))) 8(>((What is troubling me is that this report did not turn up when I scoured the internet originally.
I have never heard any intimation that the footprints suddenly finished at the ocean, which your excellent translation does.
So I tried Google translating it and other translations but none of them read like yours, registrar, which clearly implies that Rene went into the sea.
In fact Google translation came out with virtually the opposite slant. ie,
Grandma talkingQuote"But he was terrified of the waves would never have gone alone into the sea. Moreover, his footsteps stopped right in the sand. "
Elsewhere, altho I cant find it again, I read that his footprints were right in the middle of the beach. This is the only report that seems to have him taking his clothes off. My mind is buzzing. Once again this evening I have spent hours and hours searching the internet
This is the problem with translations, especially with a German To English translation, cos we have so many words to describe things in all shades ...and I believe that Germany has far fewer, so differences do occur. In most cases it isn't important but in this case it could be.
you are very welcome to Google translations
@)(++(* I agree they are gawd awful, but I used several different translators and the emphasis seemed to be in the direction of the google one rather than your interpretation. Soz 8)-))) 8(>((What is troubling me is that this report did not turn up when I scoured the internet originally.
I have never heard any intimation that the footprints suddenly finished at the ocean, which your excellent translation does.
So I tried Google translating it and other translations but none of them read like yours, registrar, which clearly implies that Rene went into the sea.
In fact Google translation came out with virtually the opposite slant. ie,
Grandma talkingQuote"But he was terrified of the waves would never have gone alone into the sea. Moreover, his footsteps stopped right in the sand. "
Elsewhere, altho I cant find it again, I read that his footprints were right in the middle of the beach. This is the only report that seems to have him taking his clothes off. My mind is buzzing. Once again this evening I have spent hours and hours searching the internet
This is the problem with translations, especially with a German To English translation, cos we have so many words to describe things in all shades ...and I believe that Germany has far fewer, so differences do occur. In most cases it isn't important but in this case it could be.
you are very welcome to Google translations
Go with that then hun - and solve the case ?>)()<
Anyhow I am zonked. I worked thru the night and saw the dawn in yesterday. I cant understand where all the Rene Reports have gone. Only a smattering are there now
Also have searched all this evening for stuff. Am totally zonked.
Hope Martin Noy didn't get Rene. He was in PT at the time Rene went missing.
Have to go to bed now. Nigh night all
sadie x
I have been out all day so am just catching up now. My first impression about this case is that something stinks. Why was the mother telling a load of porkies about how they were all out for a walk and Rene was just yards in front when in her own words the ground swallowed him up???? Were these parents new world hippies on drugs by any chance??
The second story about Rene being down near the waters edge is more plausible. From the pictures it can be seen that
there is a blind spot from the restaurant to the beach. The beach would also have had quite a few people still on it at that time of year so I would rule out him being swallowed up by a large wave.
My own view is that he was enticed away by someone and then abducted.
It's Martin Ney - not Noy - Google translator tripped you up again?
And whether he was in the Algarve at the time has not been established as fact[.quote]
Sleep well
Obtain a transcript
and google translate it
Bob's your uncle
Obtain a transcript
and google translate it
Bob's your uncle
Thanks registrar
Big of you ?{)(** 8**8:/:
Obtain a transcript
and google translate it
Bob's your uncle
Thanks registrar
Big of you ?{)(** 8**8:/:
we please to aim
No idea. The little boy could have disappeared in a wave, dune or whatever, or could have been abducted.I agree with that comment.The sea isn't by any means deep near the shore and had the little boy been toppled by a rogue wave there would have been loads of people around to help him.My thoughts are that he wandered off and was taken or someone lured him away before abducting him.With so many of these cases it is planned beforehand.
If he had simply been too close to the shore, and had been taken in by a wave, wouldn't his body have been washed up?
Here is a new video courtesy of Sadie which we have pleasure in posting.
It features Amoreira Beach where René Hasee disappeared.
(http://i.imgur.com/4p8v6jH.jpg) (http://player.vimeo.com/video/29038203?)
Here is a new video courtesy of Sadie which we have pleasure in posting.
It features Amoreira Beach where René Hasee disappeared.
(http://i.imgur.com/4p8v6jH.jpg) (http://player.vimeo.com/video/29038203?)
Do the PJ actually solve any crimes?
Much more than the British; but fortunately there are much less crimes of child abductions or child homicides in Portugal.Haven't heard of any they have solved, Luz
Much more than the British; but fortunately there are much less crimes of child abductions or child homicides in Portugal.
Renee Hasse well there is conflicting information about him....
The Interpol Missing Children website have no record of a Rene Hasse, Hasse or Haase as missing anywhere let alone Portugal. Also, the German Missing Kids website also has no record of anyone by that name.
Its an odd one.....
So really in the area, we have NO MISSING CHILDREN confirmed....
Maybe because Renee Hase is no longer a child?
Here is report in German from Bild-Zeitung
http://www.bild.de/news/inland/vermisst/neue-bild-serie-17931224.bild.html
I am talking about years ago it was never reported. My friend lives in Germany and has kept me up to speed on this case.
There is no PROOF he was abducted by a stranger.
That's correct, according to his parents he was playing on the beach just below the restaurant when he disappeared. Just like Ben Needham, one minute he was there, the next he was gone without trace. Yeremi Vargas (7) was yet another who disappeared from outside his home on Gran Canaria on 10th March 2007 (just 8 weeks before Madeleine disappeared).(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aqN9R5ijtgk/TiYFpQu08CI/AAAAAAAA_XU/HVC4G7KLxsY/s640/49181-4g.jpg)
Yeremi Vargas was just 7 when he disappeared from outside his home.
www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3013.msg108439#msg108439
That's correct, according to his parents he was playing on the beach just below the restaurant when he disappeared. Just like Ben Needham, one minute he was there, the next he was gone without trace. Yeremi Vargas (7) was yet another who disappeared from outside his home on Gran Canaria on 10th March 2007 (just 8 weeks before Madeleine disappeared).(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aqN9R5ijtgk/TiYFpQu08CI/AAAAAAAA_XU/HVC4G7KLxsY/s640/49181-4g.jpg)
Yeremi Vargas was just 7 when he disappeared from outside his home.
www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3013.msg108439#msg108439
Actually to be totally correct, they were walking from a restaurant, and the boy went onto the sand dunes in front of them, and simply DISAPPEARED. They were very close behind him and say it is a mystery how he could have just vanished.
He could have fallen into a hole though which was one thought and covered up again.....
The case is very odd and hard to actually find stuff about it.
(http://i.imgur.com/9Z91UcA.jpg)
Rene Hasee
At one time there were multiple webpages about Rene, Colom, but they seem to have vanished and the information seems to have changed.
Like you, I remember that the parents were walking along the beach with Rene pottering around near them, never far away, investigating everything as kids do, when suddenly he had vanished.
I always felt that he had been tempted from the main beach into the sand dunes by the offer of an ice cream, or some other enducement. Then swiftly over come and taken to the immediately adjacent car park, into a vehivcle and whooshed away.
It was Portugal, at 6 pm on a mid summer evening, in June IIRC. After work. That beach would have had loads of people on it, mainly looking towards the sea ... and if something had happened, other than at the very rear of the beach it would have surely been witnessed by some of them.
The only danger at the rear of the beach was some-one, or some peeps intent on taking him, imo. There is the slightest chance of the sands swallowing him, I suppose, but that is so rare that it seems a no goer to me.
I believe he was tempted into the dunes, grabbed and made off with. However these are only my thoughts.
I would welcome some other likely scenarios bearing in mind the time of day and the likelyhood of a good many people, mainly looking towards the sea, on that beach.
It was reported that the PJ didn't bother to look. They said he had drowned. No witnesses to that.
René Hasée, who was six, disappeared from the Amoreira beach near Aljezur on 19 June1996. His mother, Anita, a 37-year-old postal worker who was on holiday with her partner Peter and René, told a German newspaper at the time, “We had just eaten something and gone down to the beach.” It was around 6pm and she said Renè was around 30 metres in front of her when “suddenly our son disappeared as if he had been swallowed by the earth.
I have just been reading back on this and I cant see where this thread is associated specifically to Madeleine McCann .There are at least two different versions Anna.
Anyway, back to topic......It looks like there is a possibility that the mother was in the restaurant where she thought she could see him, when he disappeared, so it would appear to be an abduction. If he drowned or went down a sand sink, surely someone would have noticed, But they wouldn't notice an adult leading a child away by his hand.
Anyone know why this missing person case is not on interpol?Maybe because the PJ took no notice of it ? ..... saying that Rene had drowned, I understand. Pls correct me if I have this wrong.
Sadie...do you think there is more to this case than we are being told?John, I have all sorts of thoughts in these cases ... and especially re: why didn't the PJ react to missing children, as seems to be the case at times.
Anyone know why this missing person case is not on interpol?
Interesting question. It's not as if it can have escaped their attention.Would it go on interpol if the PJ just swept it under the carpet ?
The thread description says: "René was about 20 feet ahead and suddenly he was gone!" While the opening post in the thread reports it was 30 metres.
30 metres is equivalent to about 100 feet.
So there's a discrepancy there. I'll take a guess that 30m (100 ft) is the true figure, and the reason for the discrepancy is that, in the thread description, 30 metres was incorrectly converted to just 20 ft.