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Offline Lace

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« Reply #300 on: July 20, 2015, 10:24:36 AM »
You mean in Portugal.

The so called 'Search' was all words, backed by a series of incompetent detective agencies, who found nothing.

As to the mccanns, they don't deserve a penny and there is no sign yet they will.

My understanding was that he couldn't sell his book anywhere.

The detective agencies followed up a few leads,    wasn't the McCann's fault they turned out corrupt.

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Offline pathfinder73

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« Reply #301 on: July 20, 2015, 10:32:47 AM »
My understanding was that he couldn't sell his book anywhere.

The detective agencies followed up a few leads,    wasn't the McCann's fault they turned out corrupt.

The real lead was hidden. SY had to get permission to get the hidden file.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

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« Reply #302 on: July 20, 2015, 01:09:49 PM »
John McCann (Gerry's brother)

"Kate dressed Amelie in her sister's pyjamas and the baby said: 'Maddy's jammies. Where is Maddy?'"

"Kate will be able to smell Madeleine on it," says Susan Healy, her mother. "That is why she cannot put it down."

Sydney Morning Herald, 15 May 2007 Link:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/05/14/1178995077373.html
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #303 on: July 20, 2015, 01:52:59 PM »
Australian newspapers had a bad opinion of the Portuguese police too, then. I wonder what they'll all say if the latest Portuguese investigation finds and successfully prosecutes those who disappeared Madeleine? There'll be egg on a few faces then;

Two streets away, behind the gleaming whitewashed apartment in Praia da Luz, where the McCanns were on a week-long holiday with Madeleine and their two-year-old twins, Amelie and Sean, two silver vans sit parked. Inside, locked in separate steel cages, four Alsatian sniffer dogs growl and bark in the midday heat. There is no sign of their green-uniformed handlers, officers from Portugal's Algarve Search and Rescue Dog team. They are down on the seafront, shopping for T-shirts.

Were it not for their uniforms they, too, might be on vacation. Instead, they are part of a 180-strong police search for the McCanns' daughter. But their shambolic, haphazard modus operandi symbolises the inept and bumbling investigation that represents the Portuguese authorities' efforts to find the toddler.
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« Reply #304 on: July 20, 2015, 01:54:34 PM »
There is no reason to suppose that the other story was true either.
What other story?

Offline pathfinder73

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« Reply #305 on: July 20, 2015, 03:00:11 PM »


McCanns: Madeleine McCann - Trade Mark No. 2456061?, 12 April 2011


McCanns: Madeleine McCann - Trade Mark No. 2456061? Day Trading (German)

By A DAY TRADER
Published: 2011/04/12

Perhaps one of the most bizarre aspects of the case of missing Madeleine McCann is that, within days of her disappearance, her parents submitted a trade mark application on her behalf. Trade marks are typically used to protect commercial property rights, so that, in this bizarre case, it seems that not only was Madeleine perceived as a missing daughter, but also as a future commercial concern, the rights of which were required, to protect the commercial interests of Team McCann. In a way, it's easy to see why Madeleine's image attracted substantial sums for the interested parties. Personally the thought of a 'trade mark' for a missing child sounds pretty sick to say the least, and brings a certain disgust at the whole question of her loss. But what is your opinion? Is it customary to mark a missing child this way? Was the McCanns' child an exception, whose name needed to be trade marked in the circumstances? Source: ipo.gov.uk

Note: It should be pointed out that the trade mark relates specifically to the activities of the 'Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned' company and not Madeleine McCann herself.

Case details for Trade Mark 2456061 Intellectual Property Office http://www.ipo.gov.uk/tm/t-find/t-find-number?detailsrequested=C&trademark=2456061

'Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned' trade mark, 18 May 2007

http://wikileaksleaks.blogspot.com/2011/04/madeleine-mccann-trademark.html



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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

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« Reply #306 on: July 20, 2015, 05:26:42 PM »
Can I ask you Pegasus.   Is it clear that those were the summarised versions of the 'verbatim' statements which the police would use to type up their summaries?    IIRC dates are not always shown on statements. (from memory)

IMO deciding what to put in and leave out of summaries  (of interviews which took hours to complete) - would be a huge and obviously very important task and not something which could be done quickly.  The verbatim statements would be extremely long and so I'm surprised if summaries were typed up and presented to the McCanns for signature on the same day as their interviews.

However, if that is what happened, then IMO it should not be forgotten that after having no sleep and long hours spent at the Police station, just hours after their daughter had disappeared, then they would be extremely tired and obviously full of anxiety.   

There is a vast difference between having a statement read out to you by an interpreter-  at their pace - and actually sitting down and reading a statement in English at your own pace - when any discrepancies would jump out of the page at you.   

If they did sign statements which had mistakes in them on 4th May - then in the circumstances - I don't find that remotely surprising.

You can see scans of the original documents of the 4th May 2007 police interviews of GM and KM.
They are typewitten, in portuguese, and IIRC each is signed by the respective witness.
It is clear by reading them that they are summaries (not a verbatim record of every word said).
The interview of KM was conducted unusually: a third party was allowed to be in the interview room sitting behind the witness but making physical contact with the witness.
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Offline pathfinder73

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« Reply #307 on: August 06, 2015, 09:55:55 PM »
by Robert Murat's friend. Team McCann fight back? Woof Woof!

Alive when taken Sunday Mirror (paper edition)

Exclusive Madeleine: 100 Days of Hell

• Kidnapper put cuddle cat on ledge then picked her up
• The blood spots in apartment are not hers say cops

Lori Campbell in Praia da Luz
12 August 2007

Missing Madeleine McCann's favourite pink Cuddle Cat toy was taken from her arms as she slept and placed beyond her reach by her kidnapper. That is why police are certain Madeleine was snatched while she was asleep - and was NOT killed or injured in the holiday apartment.

When her mum Kate, 38, tucked Madeleine into bed, the four-year-old was cuddling the toy - but it was later found placed on a ledge that Madeleine could not have reached.

There is also further "concrete evidence" that Madeleine was still ALIVE when she left the holiday apartment. Her kidnapper had a window of just five minutes to strike - from when dad Gerry last checked on the children until family friend Jane Tanner saw a man carrying away a child she is sure was Madeleine wrapped in a blanket. The new revelations rubbish reports in Portuguese newspapers yesterday that she was murdered or died in an accident inside the villa.

However, local police Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa admitted for the first time that Madeleine could be dead. He said: "In the past few days there have been some developments and some clues that have been found that could point to the possible death of the little child. But until this moment we are waiting for lab results of the evidence collected and all lines of inquiry are open."

Now, the Sunday Mirror can give a true picture of what happened when Kate found her daughter missing. We can reveal:

• Police have specific evidence from the apartment that she was still alive

• Madeleine was kidnapped as the toy she had fallen asleep with was left on a ledge placed too high for a child to reach

There was a window of less than five minutes for a kidnapper to pounce - not enough time to kill her and clean up

Police do not believe blood found in the apartment was Madeleine's as it was not consistent with signs of a struggle

• The patio doors were unlocked but the intruder used the window to escape with Madeleine as the shutters were forced up.

We can also reveal that devastated Kate was reduced to tears several times by the aggressive questioning of Portuguese police this week. (Who is the source? Team McCann? PF)And yesterday the parents were hit by further cruel claims in Portuguese papers linking them to Madeleine's disappearance on May 3.

But our dramatic information confirms Madeleine was most likely to have been abducted by a stranger who had watched the family's routine for up to four days. And it shows Portuguese police from the beginning have had firm evidence Madeleine was still alive when she was taken from the ground-floor apartment.

The McCanns were told in a secret meeting with police within days of Madeleine going missing what this evidence is.

They have been unable to discuss it publicly in case it jeopardises the investigation - and have even been banned from telling close friends or family.

Kate has refused to say where she found the Cuddle Cat toy when she returned to the villa in Praia da Luz at about 10pm to find her daughter's bed empty.

But she has hinted the bedroom was left in such a way that she knew almost instantly Madeleine had been kidnapped.

Our police source said: "When Kate tucked Madeleine up in bed earlier in the evening, she had the toy tightly in her arms as she did every night. So Kate was terrified when she spotted it had been left in a place too high for her to reach. Kate also noticed the window was wide open and the shutters jammed up. It was because of these things that she had no doubt Madeleine had been kidnapped and she ran out to scream for help."

The Sunday Mirror has been told there was a window of opportunity of less than five minutes from the last time Gerry checked on their child to the reported sighting by family friend Jane of her being carried away by a man.

Our source said: "Although there has been much speculation about a 'lost hour' in which Madeleine could have been taken, it was actually less than five minutes. The kidnapping must have been meticulously planned. Police found no fingerprints or DNA on the Cuddle Cat or in the room, indicating the intruder wore gloves.

"There was so little time that whoever took Madeleine must have been watching the family closely for several days so they knew exactly when to strike.

"Kate and Gerry left Madeleine and the twins Sean and Amelie alone every evening of their week-long holiday to eat dinner 50 yards away and followed the same routine of checking on them. The kidnapper would have known this."

The patio doors at the back of the apartment were left unlocked so Kate and Gerry could check on the children easily. But police are unsure if the intruder used them to slip in or if the shutters to the window were forced open from outside.

Sniffer dogs flown over to Portugal last week by British police were taken into the apartment and found specks of blood missed in an initial search.

The results of DNA tests are expected this week but detectives are convinced it does not belong to Madeleine because if it was fresh, it would have been spotted when they first scoured the apartment. (under a tile don't think so - PF)

But that has not stopped the Portuguese media leading a hurtful smear campaign against Kate and Gerry which reached a new low with the suggestion Madeleine was killed inside the apartment and that Kate was somehow involved.

The spiteful rumours forced Kate and Gerry to insist they would not be bullied out of Portugal. But yesterday there were more cruel accusations as they marked 100 days since Madeleine disappeared.

Portuguese newspaper Sol alleged the toddler died in the apartment before her parents went to dinner. It says British sniffer dogs picked up traces of her corpse and signs she was moved. An "unnamed specialist" told the newspaper: "For the dogs to detect a body, it would have to stay in place where it died for a minimum of two hours."

The report also alleged the McCanns' silver Renault Scenic hire car may have been used to get rid of Madeleine's body. A McCann spokesman yesterday dismissed the allegations as "complete nonsense".


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-474844/Madeleines-favourite-Cuddle-Cat-toy-placed-reach.html
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline mercury

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« Reply #308 on: August 06, 2015, 10:11:39 PM »
Lori Campbell, aww bless !

"There was so little time that whoever took Madeleine must have been watching the family closely for several days so they knew exactly when to strike.

 @)(++(*

That has got to be one of the worst articles I have ever read.

Offline pathfinder73

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« Reply #309 on: August 06, 2015, 10:23:02 PM »
Lori Campbell, aww bless !

"There was so little time that whoever took Madeleine must have been watching the family closely for several days so they knew exactly when to strike.

 @)(++(*

That has got to be one of the worst articles I have ever read.

The report in the Mirror  - Alive When Taken  followed by a Sunday Mirror editorial further down  - perhaps the most embarrassing editorial ever written -  has to be seen to be believed. Its purpose was to make the claim that police evidence had demonstrated that the child could not have died in the apartment.

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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline mercury

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« Reply #310 on: August 06, 2015, 10:41:30 PM »
The report in the Mirror  - Alive When Taken  followed by a Sunday Mirror editorial further down  - perhaps the most embarrassing editorial ever written -  has to be seen to be believed. Its purpose was to make the claim that police evidence had demonstrated that the child could not have died in the apartment.


I am sure this motley crew of journos never did an iota of research into anything...they just typed what they were told to...what monkeys they proved to be

SY have now said Madeleine may have been dead before being removed from the holiday flat

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ferryman

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« Reply #311 on: August 17, 2015, 11:09:22 AM »
Scour the video of Eddie with cuddle-cat and you will sour in vain for sight of him picking up the toy and tossing it in the air.

But we know it happened because PJ Inspector Dias records that it happened (confirming the memories of those of us who remember the original before Levy meddled with the footage).

So if Levy meddled with film, how can we sure that the rogatory interviews, also brought to us by Levy, haven't similarly been meddled with?
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stephen25000

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« Reply #312 on: August 17, 2015, 03:04:26 PM »
"A four-year-old British boy has drowned at a holiday villa on Spain's Costa del Sol, it has been confirmed.

One local newspaper, Diario Sur, reported that the boy's parents were having dinner with friends while the child played with older children at the back of the property"

http://news.sky.com/story/1537026/boy-4-drowns-at-spanish-holiday-villa


Any parallels here then ???

Offline jassi

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« Reply #313 on: August 17, 2015, 03:09:23 PM »
One glaring difference - no one hid the body.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline John

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« Reply #314 on: August 17, 2015, 03:29:17 PM »
"A four-year-old British boy has drowned at a holiday villa on Spain's Costa del Sol, it has been confirmed.

One local newspaper, Diario Sur, reported that the boy's parents were having dinner with friends while the child played with older children at the back of the property"

http://news.sky.com/story/1537026/boy-4-drowns-at-spanish-holiday-villa


Any parallels here then ???

We had a very nearly similar experience with one of our sons and our jacuzzi in Spain.  You just can't watch them all the time.  Thankfully our eldest son fished him out none the worse for it but it could have ended so badly it doesn't bear thinking about!
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A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.