All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner

[Venturi Swirl]

Maybe not if he left it at home, and was out long enough for it to be returned before he got back.  Has anyone on the forum ever did this of naughty prank?

Send a text on someone else's phone?  Or make a phonecall using a phone lying around?  It would feel wrong but would they really care?  It could be his excuse of why his phone was in PDL.

He lived in PdL.

[Mr Gray]

You can wait as long as you like, the facts on mobile phone evidence in 2007 isn't going to change.

Do you understand that all sils analysis is based on not having the ping data.
If that is available sils analysis is of no use or importance

Sil says you can forget about the other two masts. I think he's wrong again as the phone will ping another mast even if it isn't vodaphone

[Robittybob1]

He lived in PdL.

I thought it was a little bit out of the village.  Only my impression.  Stand to be corrected.

[Venturi Swirl]

I thought it was a little bit out of the village.  Only my impression.  Stand to be corrected.

I think the likelihood that CB, a burglar / drug dealer / rapist / child molestor would be sat at home miles from PdL cosily watching the telly or tending his plants while a mate had made off with his phone to PdL as a prank (or for any other reason) is extremely implausible. 

[G-Unit]

I thought it was a little bit out of the village.  Only my impression.  Stand to be corrected.

I thought he was living in the camper van.

[G-Unit]

Or to find out if the mystery phone man commissioned CB to do the job of abducting Madeleine ?  And who he was ?
Was he the one who gave the orders and instructions to CB ?

Just one of several possibilities.

If so he was never going to come forward, was he? Therefore they will never know who took part in that phone call, they will be left with just with the suspicion that one of them was CB.

[Mr Gray]

If so he was never going to come forward, was he? Therefore they will never know who took part in that phone call, they will be left with just with the suspicion that one of them was CB.

But it seems they have more than that according to HCW. It also seems CB will have no alibi for one or more days . That will also be significant. I think HCW is building his case carefully and CB will be charged. You and others disagree. No point in debating it we will know soon enough

[Mr Gray]

If so he was never going to come forward, was he? Therefore they will never know who took part in that phone call, they will be left with just with the suspicion that one of them was CB.

It's a double edged sword. If CB cannot say who he spoke to then further evidence of guilt

[The General]

If so he was never going to come forward, was he? Therefore they will never know who took part in that phone call, they will be left with just with the suspicion that one of them was CB.

There's very limited investigation avenues available on a solitary phone call.
If it's a burner and it's looking like it is, once you have the number, traced it and requested the network provider to provide a log of all calls / messages in or out, and then tried to find it's purchase point, you're at a dead end (bearing in mind the time lag).
What I would say, is that if that phone had either very limited use or only one use, then that's deeply suspicious and evidence in itself. But the chances of a nefarious character voluntarily popping by and telling the police they were the other party they are looking for is......it's not happening.

Having said all that, if one party in this alleged call is savvy enough to use a burner, but then CB, the career criminal  / sex case isn't, then that's not scanning at all. They'd both be on burners if they're planning a kidnapping.

[Mr Gray]

There's very limited investigation avenues available on a solitary phone call.
If it's a burner and it's looking like it is, once you have the number, traced it and requested the network provider to provide a log of all calls / messages in or out, and then tried to find it's purchase point, you're at a dead end (bearing in mind the time lag).
What I would say, is that if that phone had either very limited use or only one use, then that's deeply suspicious and evidence in itself. But the chances of a nefarious character voluntarily popping by and telling the police they were the other party they are looking for is......it's not happening.

Having said all that, if one party in this alleged call is savvy enough to use a burner, but then CB, the career criminal  / sex case isn't, then that's not scanning at all. They'd both be on burners if they're planning a kidnapping.

If CB is charged he needs to be able to expalin where he was and who he spoke to that evening. To a certain extent that can be taken as circumstantail evidence of guilt. Its next to nothing on its own but combined with other evidence can be important. HCW is building a circumstantial  case .......and doing avery good job imo

[The General]

If CB is charged he needs to be able to expalin where he was and who he spoke to that evening. To a certain extent that can be taken as circumstantail evidence of guilt. Its next to nothing on its own but combined with other evidence can be important. HCW is building a circumstantial  case .......and doing avery good job imo

Yeh, yeh, keep banging that drum, we get it.
It's pretty apparent that they will never know who he spoke to, if he spoke to anyone. So there's a piece of circumstantial evidence that is not evidence at all.

[Mr Gray]

Yeh, yeh, keep banging that drum, we get it.
It's pretty apparent that they will never know who he spoke to, if he spoke to anyone. So there's a piece of circumstantial evidence that is not evidence at all.

Its up to CB to provide evidence of where he was that evening...failure to do so can be taken as evidence of guilt..

Dave L....QC

[Venturi Swirl]

Yeh, yeh, keep banging that drum, we get it.
It's pretty apparent that they will never know who he spoke to, if he spoke to anyone. So there's a piece of circumstantial evidence that is not evidence at all.

Defeatist talk.

[The General]

Its up to CB to provide evidence of where he was that evening...failure to do so can be taken as evidence of guilt..

Dave L....QC

...HCW has asked everyone else on the planet who he was talking to, but haven't asked the guy sat in a jail cell 5 minutes down the road. There's keeping your cards close to your chest and then there's, as the German phrase goes 'wrestling a wild hog in the forest for a pine cone' - you're going to come off worse and the rewards are not worth it.

[Venturi Swirl]

...HCW has asked everyone else on the planet who he was talking to, but haven't asked the guy sat in a jail cell 5 minutes down the road. There's keeping your cards close to your chest and then there's, as the German phrase goes 'wrestling a wild hog in the forest for a pine cone' - you're going to come off worse and the rewards are not worth it.

Like he's going to tell HCW anything.  His lawyer has already confirmed he has nothing to say on the matter.