Should the Germans Have Dropped Their Investigation By Now?

[Mr Gray]

Please provide two.

sorry...Im not interested in a pointless debate... either HCW has evidence or as angelo says hes  a liar

[Mr Gray]

I think you're right. Whatever evidence they currently have, which depicts the murder of MM in some way, is not ticking enough boxes to link him - legally.
If they could have found the caller they could strengthen the case as a minimum, or the caller could implicate him.

not watertight...thats not far away from my thoughts

[The General]

sorry...Im not interested in a pointless debate... either HCW has evidence or as angelo says hes  a liar

But you just answered my post - that's already a debate, team mate.

[The General]

not watertight...thats not far away from my thoughts

Not watertight? I'm afraid that, although we're both on the same side of the tracks, I can't concur with that.
Here's why - the images were watertight enough to convict him on child porn possession charges. So if he was in them, or they went above 'abuse' in to murder, then they would have charged him accordingly at the time.
They certainly were not clairvoyant, sitting on them for 6 years to try to charge him with the murder of MM.

No, if there's images / videos then it's not these.

[jassi]

I think you're right. Whatever evidence they currently have, which depicts the murder of MM in some way, is not ticking enough boxes to link him - legally.
If they could have found the caller they could strengthen the case as a minimum, or the caller could implicate him.

You are assuming that this call was in some way sinister. This may not be the case.
For example the caller may be dead and unable to respond, or moved to a country that is less obsessed with reporting news on Madeleine McCann. I'm sure such places do exist

[Mr Gray]

Not watertight? I'm afraid that, although we're both on the same side of the tracks, I can't concur with that.
Here's why - the images were watertight enough to convict him on child porn possession charges. So if he was in them, or they went above 'abuse' in to murder, then they would have charged him accordingly at the time.
They certainly were not clairvoyant, sitting on them for 6 years to try to charge him with the murder of MM.

No, if there's images / videos then it's not these.

images found buried under his dog...when was that...2016. i
Did they immediately look at every image...how long did it take to go through all 8000...perhaps they only went through all of them when he became  a suspect in the MM case

[The General]

You are assuming that this call was in some way sinister. This may not be the case.
For example the caller may be dead and unable to respond, or moved to a country that is less obsessed with reporting news on Madeleine McCann. I'm sure such places do exist

I actually believe the caller may well be dead.
Or, despite the remonstrations to the contrary from HCW that the caller is not a suspect, which sane person would come forward to put themselves out there voluntarily, particularly a criminal.
I believe the caller is a dead or savvy criminal cohort, perhaps a nonce himself. In which case, he's in the wind.

[The General]

images found buried under his dog...when was that...2016. i
Did they immediately look at every image...how long did it take to go through all 8000...perhaps they only went through all of them when he became  a suspect in the MM case

I'm sorry, but I don't believe that's how it works.
Because they would need to analyse every image to formulate charges. It would be quite remiss of them to charge him with simple possession if they could charge him with abuse, abduction or murder (and everything that goes with that, such as tracing missing people, dead people)
I'm not familiar with German interpretation of double jeopardy, but that must also be factored in.

[kizzy]

sorry...Im not interested in a pointless debate... either HCW has evidence or as angelo says hes  a liar

I Agree with Angelo.

I think what Wolt is saying is -  he knows Maddie is dead [in the law of average he is right]. IMO

I still believe he used Maddie for maximum publicity for whatever his hidden agenda was to keep CB behind bars.

[Lace]

I actually believe the caller may well be dead.
Or, despite the remonstrations to the contrary from HCW that the caller is not a suspect, which sane person would come forward to put themselves out there voluntarily, particularly a criminal.
I believe the caller is a dead or savvy criminal cohort, perhaps a nonce himself. In which case, he's in the wind.

You're right a criminal wouldn't come forward and say it was he/she who rang CB,  but the Police put the number out to the public,  someone could have that number in their phone or phone book.  I think some people have got the number but are scared to come forward. IMO

[Lace]

I'm presuming the phone used to phone CB isn't around anymore,  the Police would no doubt have rang that number,  who ever it was probably dumped the phone.

[The General]

You're right a criminal wouldn't come forward and say it was he/she who rang CB,  but the Police put the number out to the public,  someone could have that number in their phone or phone book.  I think some people have got the number but are scared to come forward. IMO

Good afternoon, Lace.
I actually believe the number was a burner; a throwaway, which were ubiquitous and unregistered at the time, otherwise the police could simply pop down to Vodafone and find out who registered the number - like they did with CB's.
This is also why I think the caller was a criminal acquaintance, perhaps one with the same proclivities.

[jassi]

Good afternoon, Lace.
I actually believe the number was a burner; a throwaway, which were ubiquitous and unregistered at the time, otherwise the police could simply pop down to Vodafone and find out who registered the number - like they did with CB's.
This is also why I think the caller was a criminal acquaintance, perhaps one with the same proclivities.

Or someone interested in a cheap load of diesel, or even buying a car 

[Mr Gray]

I Agree with Angelo.

I think what Wolt is saying is -  he knows Maddie is dead [in the law of average he is right]. IMO

I still believe he used Maddie for maximum publicity for whatever his hidden agenda was to keep CB behind bars.

For all the reasons Ive given I think angelos idea is totally barmy...we will see. He didnt need this case to keep CB behind bars and he wont be able to keep him behind bars without evidence

[The General]

Or someone interested in a cheap load of diesel, or even buying a car 

Quite possibly Number 4, quite possibly.
A 30 minute conversation seems quite long for any illegal activity to be discussed.
More likely shooting the breeze with a 'friend', interspersed with dodgy dealings and future arrangements.
I'm not sure one single 30 minute call fits the model of a man loitering in a creeper van in situ planning an abduction right there and then. A succession of brief calls in and around the area would be a red flag.
And again, on his own registered number?