Should the Germans Have Dropped Their Investigation By Now?

[The General]

For all the reasons Ive given I think angelos idea is totally barmy...we will see. He didnt need this case to keep CB behind bars and he wont be able to keep him behind bars without evidence

What about this, anything? Barmy? Come on mate, we can talk freely here now we're enmeshed and embedded.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe that's how it works.
Because they would need to analyse every image to formulate charges. It would be quite remiss of them to charge him with simple possession if they could charge him with abuse, abduction or murder (and everything that goes with that, such as tracing missing people, dead people)
I'm not familiar with German interpretation of double jeopardy, but that must also be factored in.

[jassi]

Quite possibly Number 4, quite possibly.
A 30 minute conversation seems quite long for any illegal activity to be discussed.
More likely shooting the breeze with a 'friend', interspersed with dodgy dealings and future arrangements.
I'm not sure one single 30 minute call fits the model of a man loitering in a creeper van in situ planning an abduction right there and then. A succession of brief calls in and around the area would be a red flag.
And again, on his own registered number?

Not only that but there's no mention of either phone being used on other days.
If a major crime was being planned and executed, one might expect further dialogue after the event and also calls to other phones

[kizzy]

For all the reasons Ive given I think angelos idea is totally barmy...we will see. He didnt need this case to keep CB behind bars and he wont be able to keep him behind bars without evidence

No, but it blocked the appeal at the time. What he will have been hoping for is by now something would have developed - either by good means or bad. IMO

[Lace]

Quite possibly Number 4, quite possibly.
A 30 minute conversation seems quite long for any illegal activity to be discussed.
More likely shooting the breeze with a 'friend', interspersed with dodgy dealings and future arrangements.
I'm not sure one single 30 minute call fits the model of a man loitering in a creeper van in situ planning an abduction right there and then. A succession of brief calls in and around the area would be a red flag.
And again, on his own registered number?

To me CB comes across as an arrogant man,  I think he thought he was invincible.   Exposing himself to children in a park with the parents not far away.   Climbing into apartments,  bragging to people about what he had done.   It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't bother with a burner phone and just used the one he had.  IMO

[The General]

Not only that but there's no mention of either phone being used on other days.
If a major crime was being planned and executed, one might expect further dialogue after the event and also calls to other phones

I agree with that. If the German police wanted to trace the caller, then what better way to jog the memory than to disclose whether additional calls were made.
The caller is either dead, in the wind or in the clink.

[kizzy]

To me CB comes across as an arrogant man,  I think he thought he was invincible.   Exposing himself to children in a park with the parents not far away.   Climbing into apartments,  bragging to people about what he had done.   It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't bother with a burner phone and just used the one he had.  IMO

I don't think he is arrogant just dumb - yet is supposed to have committed the perfect crime, either way, does not fit.

[Eleanor]

To me CB comes across as an arrogant man,  I think he thought he was invincible.   Exposing himself to children in a park with the parents not far away.   Climbing into apartments,  bragging to people about what he had done.   It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't bother with a burner phone and just used the one he had.  IMO

Psychopaths always think they are more clever than anyone else.

[The General]

To me CB comes across as an arrogant man,  I think he thought he was invincible.   Exposing himself to children in a park with the parents not far away.   Climbing into apartments,  bragging to people about what he had done.   It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't bother with a burner phone and just used the one he had.  IMO

Could very well be. I'm led to believe that this sort of offender reacts on impulse and urges and are quite opportunistic. Although I doubt this one would be bragging about child abuse, I may be wrong, but I can see him bragging about his other criminal exploits, particularly with other criminals.
The mystery caller was almost certainly on a burner, which suggests a basic criminal savvy. I doubt this caller would tolerate discussing the abduction of a child with someone sat outside on his own phone.

[Angelo222]

To me CB comes across as an arrogant man,  I think he thought he was invincible.   Exposing himself to children in a park with the parents not far away.   Climbing into apartments,  bragging to people about what he had done.   It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't bother with a burner phone and just used the one he had.  IMO

I agree...he is vile creature.

[jassi]

I agree with that. If the German police wanted to trace the caller, then what better way to jog the memory than to disclose whether additional calls were made.
The caller is either dead, in the wind or in the clink.

What do you mean by 'in the wind'?

[The General]

What do you mean by 'in the wind'?

On the lam, on the run. AWOL. Lesser spotted. In absentia.

[barrier]

Images are not forensics bit are physical  or material  evidence which wolters says he has

CB is supposed to have filmed himself assaulting the lady he was done  rape for, this film's authenticity was never established save for words of bestest mates, its the same imo with an alleged one regarding Madeleine only this time its more serious its murder, whats stopping him questioning CB, can't actually prove the existence, no forensics no link to 5a, no body, no hope.

[Eleanor]

CB is supposed to have filmed himself assaulting the lady he was done  rape for, this film's authenticity was never established save for words of bestest mates, its the same imo with an alleged one regarding Madeleine only this time its more serious its murder, whats stopping him questioning CB, can't actually prove the existence, no forensics no link to 5a, no body, no hope.

Hope springs eternal I see.  Always good to hear it.

[barrier]

Hope springs eternal I see.

Nope, he's got no hope, not me.

[Robittybob1]

I think  alot beats you rob. I was almost unwilling to mention it because Ive done some research and I know where it leads...and its very unpleasant

Well, that sounds terrible Davel that you've researched these terrible things that you can't talk about.  You're not one of these devil worshipers, are you?