Should the Germans Have Dropped Their Investigation By Now?

[barrier]

There's little evidence, if any, of stranger abduction.

Exactly non what so ever - seems the mccs friends let them down on that too.

In this sense, the legal procedures were followed, according to the norms and conventions that are in force, and the appearance of the witnesses was requested, inviting them to be present inclusively appealing to solidarity with the McCann couple, as it is certain that since the beginning they adhered to that process diligence.

Nevertheless, despite national authorities assuming all measures to render their trip to Portugal viable, for unknown motives, after the many doubts that they raised about the necessity and opportunity of their trip were clarified several times, they chose not to attend, which rendered the diligence inviable.

We believe that the main damage was caused to the McCann arguidos, who lost the possibility to prove what they have protested since they were constituted arguidos: their innocence towards the fateful event; the investigation was also disturbed, because said facts remain unclarified.

Then we have this and the reason the Germans are struggling.


 Despite all of this, it was not possible to obtain any piece of evidence that would allow for a medium man, under the light of the criteria of logics, of normality and of the general rules of experience, to formulate any lucid, sensate, serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances under which the child was removed from the apartment (whether dead or alive, whether killed in a neglectful homicide or an intended homicide, whether the victim of a targeted abduction or an opportunistic abduction), nor even to produce a consistent prognosis about her destiny and inclusively - the most dramatic - to establish whether she is still alive or if she is dead, as seems more likely.

[Mr Gray]

You want CB to provide a alibi to prove his innocence, thats a disgrace.

No ones asking him to prove his innocence ..he's innocent  until proven guilty. The mccanns hadn't even been charged and were being asked to prove innocence

[Eleanor]

You want CB to provide a alibi to prove his innocence, thats a disgrace.

Christian Brueckner can please himself.  I don't care what he does.

[barrier]

Christian Brueckner can please himself.  I don't care what he does.

I'm sure he'll be pleased to have your blessing.

[barrier]

No ones asking him to prove his innocence ..he's innocent  until proven guilty. The mccanns hadn't even been charged and were being asked to prove innocence

Do you or not see no reason why he shouldn't provide an alibi.

[Eleanor]

I'm sure he'll be pleased to have your blessing.

There is nothing even remotely strange about providing an Alibi, if you have one.

[Eleanor]

Do you or not see no reason why he shouldn't provide an alibi.

He hasn't got an Alibi?

[kizzy]

The McCanns and their friends were interested only in finding Madeleine, or so they said. They thought the reconstruction requested by the PJ wouldn't help to find Madeleine so they refused to take part.

On the other hand the couple were arguidos, meaning that the PJ suspected them of being involved in their daughter's disappearance.

Taking part in the reconstruction could have shown that the group's timeline and their accounts of the evening were correct. Why would they think that wouldn't help?

Especially when they said they would do anything to help - especially when the said facts remain unclarified.

IMO it obviously had something to do with the timeline - it has never been checked.

You would have thought also the mccs themselves would have wanted to know where everyone was and what they were doing.

IIRC the tapas were not all known to the mccs - so if the mcs thought an abduction took place you would have thought that everything should have been checked out and not by assuming it was by a stranger IMO.

[barrier]

There is nothing even remotely strange about providing an Alibi, if you have one.

I'm sure there's not, he's not been questioned, you and davel and others think the Mccann's were treated harshly, yet davel say's this of one who hasn't even been questioned.Notice no imo.

The legend is writ and firmed by the hero's on here.

But it seems they have more than that according to HCW. It also seems CB will have no alibi for one or more days . That will also be significant. I think HCW is building his case carefully and CB will be charged. You and others disagree. No point in debating it we will know soon enough

It's a double edged sword. If CB cannot say who he spoke to then further evidence of guilt

[barrier]

He hasn't got an Alibi?

Explain , why ? at this moment in time he needs one.

[kizzy]

We've been through it many times.  The PJ had made their mind up that the mccanns we're guilty.  Have you ever heard any judicial system require a suspect to prove their innocence... It's an absolute disgrace

We've been through it many times.


It doesn't matter how many times you go through things its a forum FGS.

the dogs IMO were not wrong with everything - specially trained dogs it seems got everything wrong impossible IMO.

Thus a request for help in counselling at the level of searches was made, with part of that help being made through the action of dogs that are trained to detect mortal victims (VRD), and dogs with advanced training in tracing very small samples of human remains, bodily fluids and blood, in any environment or terrain (EVRD).

From the searches with the dogs [19], whose video recordings are appended to the files, the following resulted:

1 - The tracking dog named "Eddie" (dog that signals cadaver odour) "marked" (signalled) inside the couple's bedroom, in apartment 5A, in an area next to the wardrobe (cf. page 2054 and/or annex 88);

2 - That same dog "marked", in the same apartment, an area near the living room window, which has direct access to the street, behind the sofa (cf. page 2054 and/or annex 88);

3 - Still inside the apartment, the dog "marked" a garden area, in a square corner, vertically to the balcony (cf. page 2054 and/or annex 88);

4 - In the "Vista do Mar" villa, the house that was rented by the McCanns after leaving the Ocean's Club, the dog "marked" the area of a wardrobe that contained inside the soft toy that belonged to Madeleine McCann (cf. page 2099 and/or annex 88);

5 - In the examination of the clothes, which was carried out in a pavilion in Lagos, this dog signalled/"marked" pieces of clothing that belong to Kate Healy (cf. page 2101 and/or annex 88);

6 - This dog signalled the lower outside area next to the driver's door of the Renault - 59-DA-27 - that was rented by the McCanns (cf. page 2187 and/or annex 88);

7 - Finally it "marked" the key/card of that vehicle when it was hidden under a fire prevention sand box (cf. page 2187 and/or annex 88);

8 - The tracking dog named "Keela" (dog that detects the presence of human blood), "marked" an area in the living room, in apartment 5A, which had already been "marked" by "Eddie" (cf. page 2054 and/or annex 88);

9 - After the tiles which this dog had signalled during a first inspection, and which are mentioned under the previous item, were removed, the dog signalled the same area again (cf. page 2190 and/or annex 88);

10 - It made another "marking" on the lower part of the left hand side curtain of the window that we have been referring to (cf. page 2190 and/or annex 88);

11 - It "marked" the right lower lateral part of the inside of the boot of vehicle 59-DA-27 (cf. page 2187 and/or annex 88);

12 - Further concerning the vehicle, "Keela" "marked" the storage compartment, on the driver's door, which held the vehicle's key/card (cf. page 2187 and/or annex 88);

13 - This dog also marked the key/card when the same was hidden under the fire service sand box, inside the parking lot.

The viewing of these videos, whose contents is very impressive, becomes essential to understand the dogs' action and signalling, more than by any words.

[Eleanor]

Explain , why ? at this moment in time he needs one.

It would save an awful lot of time and speculation.

[Venturi Swirl]

The McCanns and their friends were interested only in finding Madeleine, or so they said. They thought the reconstruction requested by the PJ wouldn't help to find Madeleine so they refused to take part.

On the other hand the couple were arguidos, meaning that the PJ suspected them of being involved in their daughter's disappearance.

Taking part in the reconstruction could have shown that the group's timeline and their accounts of the evening were correct. Why would they think that wouldn't help?

It could have shown that there were inconsistencies in the various accounts, then what?  Bang 'em up?

[Venturi Swirl]

Do you or not see no reason why he shouldn't provide an alibi.

LOL, try untwisting that one!

[Venturi Swirl]

We've been through it many times.


It doesn't matter how many times you go through things its a forum FGS.

the dogs IMO were not wrong with everything - specially trained dogs it seems got everything wrong impossible IMO.

Thus a request for help in counselling at the level of searches was made, with part of that help being made through the action of dogs that are trained to detect mortal victims (VRD), and dogs with advanced training in tracing very small samples of human remains, bodily fluids and blood, in any environment or terrain (EVRD).

From the searches with the dogs [19], whose video recordings are appended to the files, the following resulted:

1 - The tracking dog named "Eddie" (dog that signals cadaver odour) "marked" (signalled) inside the couple's bedroom, in apartment 5A, in an area next to the wardrobe (cf. page 2054 and/or annex 88);

2 - That same dog "marked", in the same apartment, an area near the living room window, which has direct access to the street, behind the sofa (cf. page 2054 and/or annex 88);

3 - Still inside the apartment, the dog "marked" a garden area, in a square corner, vertically to the balcony (cf. page 2054 and/or annex 88);

4 - In the "Vista do Mar" villa, the house that was rented by the McCanns after leaving the Ocean's Club, the dog "marked" the area of a wardrobe that contained inside the soft toy that belonged to Madeleine McCann (cf. page 2099 and/or annex 88);

5 - In the examination of the clothes, which was carried out in a pavilion in Lagos, this dog signalled/"marked" pieces of clothing that belong to Kate Healy (cf. page 2101 and/or annex 88);

6 - This dog signalled the lower outside area next to the driver's door of the Renault - 59-DA-27 - that was rented by the McCanns (cf. page 2187 and/or annex 88);

7 - Finally it "marked" the key/card of that vehicle when it was hidden under a fire prevention sand box (cf. page 2187 and/or annex 88);

8 - The tracking dog named "Keela" (dog that detects the presence of human blood), "marked" an area in the living room, in apartment 5A, which had already been "marked" by "Eddie" (cf. page 2054 and/or annex 88);

9 - After the tiles which this dog had signalled during a first inspection, and which are mentioned under the previous item, were removed, the dog signalled the same area again (cf. page 2190 and/or annex 88);

10 - It made another "marking" on the lower part of the left hand side curtain of the window that we have been referring to (cf. page 2190 and/or annex 88);

11 - It "marked" the right lower lateral part of the inside of the boot of vehicle 59-DA-27 (cf. page 2187 and/or annex 88);

12 - Further concerning the vehicle, "Keela" "marked" the storage compartment, on the driver's door, which held the vehicle's key/card (cf. page 2187 and/or annex 88);

13 - This dog also marked the key/card when the same was hidden under the fire service sand box, inside the parking lot.

The viewing of these videos, whose contents is very impressive, becomes essential to understand the dogs' action and signalling, more than by any words.

At last, the dogs!!  It's been an AGE since we discussed blessed Eddie and Keela.  Let's not forget "dogs don't lie"   Just "ask the dogs, Sandra".