Should the Germans Have Dropped Their Investigation By Now?

[Eleanor]

We've been through it many times.


It doesn't matter how many times you go through things its a forum FGS.

the dogs IMO were not wrong with everything - specially trained dogs it seems got everything wrong impossible IMO.

Thus a request for help in counselling at the level of searches was made, with part of that help being made through the action of dogs that are trained to detect mortal victims (VRD), and dogs with advanced training in tracing very small samples of human remains, bodily fluids and blood, in any environment or terrain (EVRD).

From the searches with the dogs [19], whose video recordings are appended to the files, the following resulted:

1 - The tracking dog named "Eddie" (dog that signals cadaver odour) "marked" (signalled) inside the couple's bedroom, in apartment 5A, in an area next to the wardrobe (cf. page 2054 and/or annex 88);

2 - That same dog "marked", in the same apartment, an area near the living room window, which has direct access to the street, behind the sofa (cf. page 2054 and/or annex 88);

3 - Still inside the apartment, the dog "marked" a garden area, in a square corner, vertically to the balcony (cf. page 2054 and/or annex 88);

4 - In the "Vista do Mar" villa, the house that was rented by the McCanns after leaving the Ocean's Club, the dog "marked" the area of a wardrobe that contained inside the soft toy that belonged to Madeleine McCann (cf. page 2099 and/or annex 88);

5 - In the examination of the clothes, which was carried out in a pavilion in Lagos, this dog signalled/"marked" pieces of clothing that belong to Kate Healy (cf. page 2101 and/or annex 88);

6 - This dog signalled the lower outside area next to the driver's door of the Renault - 59-DA-27 - that was rented by the McCanns (cf. page 2187 and/or annex 88);

7 - Finally it "marked" the key/card of that vehicle when it was hidden under a fire prevention sand box (cf. page 2187 and/or annex 88);

8 - The tracking dog named "Keela" (dog that detects the presence of human blood), "marked" an area in the living room, in apartment 5A, which had already been "marked" by "Eddie" (cf. page 2054 and/or annex 88);

9 - After the tiles which this dog had signalled during a first inspection, and which are mentioned under the previous item, were removed, the dog signalled the same area again (cf. page 2190 and/or annex 88);

10 - It made another "marking" on the lower part of the left hand side curtain of the window that we have been referring to (cf. page 2190 and/or annex 88);

11 - It "marked" the right lower lateral part of the inside of the boot of vehicle 59-DA-27 (cf. page 2187 and/or annex 88);

12 - Further concerning the vehicle, "Keela" "marked" the storage compartment, on the driver's door, which held the vehicle's key/card (cf. page 2187 and/or annex 88);

13 - This dog also marked the key/card when the same was hidden under the fire service sand box, inside the parking lot.

The viewing of these videos, whose contents is very impressive, becomes essential to understand the dogs' action and signalling, more than by any words.

While Martin Grime was grandstanding and endeavouring to start his own business.  This netted Martin Grime 96 Thousand Pounds in the following months in Jersey during which nothing was found.

Sounds good to me for two dogs who found nothing.

[kizzy]

At last, the dogs!!  It's been an AGE since we discussed blessed Eddie and Keela.  Let's not forget "dogs don't lie"   Just "ask the dogs, Sandra".

Well they don't lie do they - but its a bit much IMO too say they got every single thing wrong.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/9ehuov/the_canine_evidence_in_the_disappearance_of/



What does this tell us? DNA can be compromised or contaminated, fingerprints can be smudged or explained in many ways but how can these two British dogs identifying blood and the smell of a dead body in so many areas be discounted?

While it could be said that Madeleine may have died in the apartment and then been removed by an unknown party, how can the evidence found in the new apartment and car almost a month after the disappearance be explained?

Why has this evidence not been given more credit for its indication of the McCann's having more to do with the disappearance and likely death of their daughter?

[Venturi Swirl]

Well they don't lie do they - but its a bit much IMO too say they got every single thing wrong.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/9ehuov/the_canine_evidence_in_the_disappearance_of/



What does this tell us? DNA can be compromised or contaminated, fingerprints can be smudged or explained in many ways but how can these two British dogs identifying blood and the smell of a dead body in so many areas be discounted?

While it could be said that Madeleine may have died in the apartment and then been removed by an unknown party, how can the evidence found in the new apartment and car almost a month after the disappearance be explained?

Why has this evidence not been given more credit for its indication of the McCann's having more to do with the disappearance and likely death of their daughter?

So tell us what evidence they found again?

[Mr Gray]

I'm sure there's not, he's not been questioned, you and davel and others think the Mccann's were treated harshly, yet davel say's this of one who hasn't even been questioned.Notice no imo.

The legend is writ and firmed by the hero's on here.

Everything  I have written is re a criminal trial. At a, trisl CB will not be trquired to prove innocence. It's up to the prosecution to prove guilt.  An lack of alibi will only be significant if there is enough evidence to go to trial.

[faithlilly]

Lest we forget.

Martin Grime
Honorary Research Fellow (Burial Research Group, Forensic Canine Research and Development Group) School of Law, Policing and Forensics Staffordshire University
Honorary Research Fellow, School of Science and Technology Nottingham Trent University

https://www.linkedin.com/in/martin-grime-9724a78/?originalSubdomain=uk

[Mr Gray]

We've been through it many times.


It doesn't matter how many times you go through things its a forum FGS.

the dogs IMO were not wrong with everything - specially trained dogs it seems got everything wrong impossible IMO.

Thus a request for help in counselling at the level of searches was made, with part of that help being made through the action of dogs that are trained to detect mortal victims (VRD), and dogs with advanced training in tracing very small samples of human remains, bodily fluids and blood, in any environment or terrain (EVRD).

From the searches with the dogs [19], whose video recordings are appended to the files, the following resulted:

1 - The tracking dog named "Eddie" (dog that signals cadaver odour) "marked" (signalled) inside the couple's bedroom, in apartment 5A, in an area next to the wardrobe (cf. page 2054 and/or annex 88);

2 - That same dog "marked", in the same apartment, an area near the living room window, which has direct access to the street, behind the sofa (cf. page 2054 and/or annex 88);

3 - Still inside the apartment, the dog "marked" a garden area, in a square corner, vertically to the balcony (cf. page 2054 and/or annex 88);

4 - In the "Vista do Mar" villa, the house that was rented by the McCanns after leaving the Ocean's Club, the dog "marked" the area of a wardrobe that contained inside the soft toy that belonged to Madeleine McCann (cf. page 2099 and/or annex 88);

5 - In the examination of the clothes, which was carried out in a pavilion in Lagos, this dog signalled/"marked" pieces of clothing that belong to Kate Healy (cf. page 2101 and/or annex 88);

6 - This dog signalled the lower outside area next to the driver's door of the Renault - 59-DA-27 - that was rented by the McCanns (cf. page 2187 and/or annex 88);

7 - Finally it "marked" the key/card of that vehicle when it was hidden under a fire prevention sand box (cf. page 2187 and/or annex 88);

8 - The tracking dog named "Keela" (dog that detects the presence of human blood), "marked" an area in the living room, in apartment 5A, which had already been "marked" by "Eddie" (cf. page 2054 and/or annex 88);

9 - After the tiles which this dog had signalled during a first inspection, and which are mentioned under the previous item, were removed, the dog signalled the same area again (cf. page 2190 and/or annex 88);

10 - It made another "marking" on the lower part of the left hand side curtain of the window that we have been referring to (cf. page 2190 and/or annex 88);

11 - It "marked" the right lower lateral part of the inside of the boot of vehicle 59-DA-27 (cf. page 2187 and/or annex 88);

12 - Further concerning the vehicle, "Keela" "marked" the storage compartment, on the driver's door, which held the vehicle's key/card (cf. page 2187 and/or annex 88);

13 - This dog also marked the key/card when the same was hidden under the fire service sand box, inside the parking lot.

The viewing of these videos, whose contents is very impressive, becomes essential to understand the dogs' action and signalling, more than by any words.

The alerts we're a total red Herring... Total BS IMO.
It's along explanation eeve been through  many times. 
It's clear neither SY nor the BKk consider the alerts of any value.
What is it about... No evidential reliability  ...you and others don't understand

[Venturi Swirl]

Lest we forget.

Martin Grime
Honorary Research Fellow (Burial Research Group, Forensic Canine Research and Development Group) School of Law, Policing and Forensics Staffordshire University
Honorary Research Fellow, School of Science and Technology Nottingham Trent University

https://www.linkedin.com/in/martin-grime-9724a78/?originalSubdomain=uk

Has he died?

[Mr Gray]

Lest we forget.

Martin Grime
Honorary Research Fellow (Burial Research Group, Forensic Canine Research and Development Group) School of Law, Policing and Forensics Staffordshire University
Honorary Research Fellow, School of Science and Technology Nottingham Trent University

https://www.linkedin.com/in/martin-grime-9724a78/?originalSubdomain=uk

Have you heard what his academic lead... Prof Cassella.. Has to say about cadaver alerts.  ...he's very critical about their value as evidence. 

[Venturi Swirl]

Pete Townsend has an honorary degree from West London University.  His band mate Roger Daltrey has an honorary doctorate from Middlesex University Does this make them some sort of authority on anything other than cranking it up to 11, twirling microphones and smashing up guitars?

[kizzy]

So tell us what evidence they found again?

What evidence have they found against CB?...yet Wolt believes Maddie is dead.

[kizzy]

The alerts we're a total red Herring... Total BS IMO.
It's along explanation eeve been through  many times. 
It's clear neither SY nor the BKk consider the alerts of any value.
What is it about... No evidential reliability  ...you and others don't understand

What is it about... No evidential reliability  ...you and others don't understand
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Lol that just might come back to bite you - when CB is never charged imo

[Venturi Swirl]

What evidence have they found against CB?...yet Wolt believes Maddie is dead.

Hang on a doggone minute there.  You posted a screed suggesting that we must not ignore all the evidence the dog alerts revealed, so why don't you tell us what all that evidence was?  You must have posted that excerpt for a reason....
, how can the evidence found in the new apartment and car almost a month after the disappearance be explained?

Why has this evidence not been given more credit for its indication of the McCann's having more to do with the disappearance and likely death of their daughter?

[Mr Gray]

What is it about... No evidential reliability  ...you and others don't understand


Lol that just might come back to bite you - when CB is never charged imo

The beleif in the dogs abilties are based to a certain extent on lies. Im not easily taken in.

[Mr Gray]

Hang on a doggone minute there.  You posted a screed suggesting that we must not ignore all the evidence the dog alerts revealed, so why don't you tell us what all that evidence was?  You must have posted that excerpt for a reason....
, how can the evidence found in the new apartment and car almost a month after the disappearance be explained?

Why has this evidence not been given more credit for its indication of the McCann's having more to do with the disappearance and likely death of their daughter?

[Mr Gray]

Well they don't lie do they - but its a bit much IMO too say they got every single thing wrong.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/9ehuov/the_canine_evidence_in_the_disappearance_of/



What does this tell us? DNA can be compromised or contaminated, fingerprints can be smudged or explained in many ways but how can these two British dogs identifying blood and the smell of a dead body in so many areas be discounted?

While it could be said that Madeleine may have died in the apartment and then been removed by an unknown party, how can the evidence found in the new apartment and car almost a month after the disappearance be explained?

Why has this evidence not been given more credit for its indication of the McCann's having more to do with the disappearance and likely death of their daughter?

First because its not evidence...the poster doesnt understand that basic point.

If those alerts were as reliable as sceptics think the Mccanns would have been arrested and charged. So either the mcCanns are guilty and for some raeson three police forces are now ignoring taht...or the alerts are totally unreliable.

You only have to look at what Grime actually achieved with his dogs in the last 20 yeras to see that their abilities have been vastly overated