Lookout from the Jeremy Bamber forum.

[puglove]

PRETEND being the operative word!

Lookout you might fool the champagne socialists on Blue but you don't fool us...

May I remind you of your post dated 2nd May 2016 where you label all homeless migrants as "robbers" and tell us how you would "kick-off" if you had to step over bodies to get to work.

How can it be right and proper for these immigrants to sleep in the streets,airports,and underground tunnel areas ? Hard working people have to use these facilities daily and pass the heaps of bodies,while risking being robbed at the same time. What on earth were politicians thinking about ? 
I would definitely kick-off if I had to step over bodies to get to work. This country's a joke.!!

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7456.msg359548.html#msg359548

 


Brilliant!!

[ActualMat]

When I brought up that post to Lookout, she called me "White Trash".

 

[puglove]

When I brought up that post to Lookout, she called me "White Trash".

 

Good grief.       


Nelly should man up and ban the old boot.

[Holly Goodhead]

Good grief.       


Nelly should man up and ban the old boot.

Totally agree.  Perhaps says a lot when you consider NGB pm'd asking me to cease using the phrase 'knitting circle' aimed at Lookout and others and yet day after day we witness Lookout's aggressively themed posts which at best are highly offensive to most and in many instances are homophobic and racist.

Lookout isn't some elderly misguided woman lost in the 21st century.  She's an aggressive, bigotted, bitter, devious, hate filled, hypocritical, insincere, mean, nasty and spiteful woman. 

[Caroline]

Lookout we will continue to expose your bigotry and hypocrisy.

Do you really think it's fair to keep commenting on Lookout when she can't respond? Yes, I have my run-ins with Lookout but they generally case related and at least she can answer is she chooses. This is just really a free for all and a bit much now. Lookout thinks Bamber is innocent (as you do Holly) so she's not happy to write to a 'child killer' as her opinion is - that he isn't.

You could say that she could join the red forum and respond to these comments but would you?

[Holly Goodhead]

Do you really think it's fair to keep commenting on Lookout when she can't respond?  Yes, I have my run-ins with Lookout but they generally case related and at least she can answer is she chooses. This is just really a free for all and a bit much now. Lookout thinks Bamber is innocent (as you do Holly) so she's not happy to write to a 'child killer' as her opinion is - that he isn't.

You could say that she could join the red forum and respond to these comments but would you?

Caroline firstly John, admin and the mods decide what is and isn't appropriate in terms of posts/threads on the UKJF but thanks for your feedback which I will discuss with John. 

In terms of whether or not it is fair to comment on Lookout's posts I don't really think fair comes into it.  If someone chooses to post on a public forum or such like then they need to be prepared to have their posts debated and disagreed with.  Lookout is quite welcome to join UKJF where she will be treated no differently to any other member but it seems to me that it isn't necessary for Lookout to join simply to repond to posts on this thread as she is afforded a platform on Blue on which to do so eg her recent claim that I have the brain of amoeba  .   Many are unable to respond to Lookout's posts eg the deceased victims and various witnesses.

Yes Lookout and I share the same view in terms of JB being the victim of a MoJ but the difference is that I mainly stick to the facts of the case and tend to steer clear of making personal comments about the victims and witnesses.  I am always mindful of the fact that JB has been found in guilty in a court of law and try to find the balance between respecting this view along with prosecution witnesses and the fact I believe JB is the victim of a MoJ but I could be wrong. 

I would suggest some gentle guidance for Lookout from admin/mods on Blue wouldn't go amiss.

[puglove]

Do you really think it's fair to keep commenting on Lookout when she can't respond? Yes, I have my run-ins with Lookout but they generally case related and at least she can answer is she chooses. This is just really a free for all and a bit much now. Lookout thinks Bamber is innocent (as you do Holly) so she's not happy to write to a 'child killer' as her opinion is - that he isn't.

You could say that she could join the red forum and respond to these comments but would you?

Caroline, I feel very strongly about the disgusting, unfounded comments she makes about June and Sheila, which always go unchallenged on blue. And I hear that yesterday she told the gentlest poster that she hopes she gets "attacked by Romanians." How can you defend someone so bigoted and ignorant? Her age is no excuse. She's just a bloody awful woman.

[Caroline]

Caroline, I feel very strongly about the disgusting, unfounded comments she makes about June and Sheila, which always go unchallenged on blue. And I hear that yesterday she told the gentlest poster that she hopes she gets "attacked by Romanians." How can you defend someone so bigoted and ignorant? Her age is no excuse. She's just a bloody awful woman.

But they don't go unchallenged, Jane and I are usually in constant debate with Lookout but I do try not to be personal. I didn't see the post about Romanians so can't comment. However, I just don't think that a whole thread dedicated to Lookout (or anyone for that matter) is right- it just doesn't sit well with me. We all say things here that we might not elsewhere and sometimes I think Lookout says things without thinking when she feels her back is against the wall - of course that's no excuse, neither is her age but I don't recall her ever using that as an excuse? This thread just feels as though she is being constantly poked with a stick rather than objecting to to comments she might make as a when.

[Caroline]

Caroline firstly John, admin and the mods decide what is and isn't appropriate in terms of posts/threads on the UKJF but thanks for your feedback which I will discuss with John. 

In terms of whether or not it is fair to comment on Lookout's posts I don't really think fair comes into it.  If someone chooses to post on a public forum or such like then they need to be prepared to have their posts debated and disagreed with.  Lookout is quite welcome to join UKJF where she will be treated no differently to any other member but it seems to me that it isn't necessary for Lookout to join simply to repond to posts on this thread as she is afforded a platform on Blue on which to do so eg her recent claim that I have the brain of amoeba  .   Many are unable to respond to Lookout's posts eg the deceased victims and various witnesses.

Yes Lookout and I share the same view in terms of JB being the victim of a MoJ but the difference is that I mainly stick to the facts of the case and tend to steer clear of making personal comments about the victims and witnesses.  I am always mindful of the fact that JB has been found in guilty in a court of law and try to find the balance between respecting this view along with prosecution witnesses and the fact I believe JB is the victim of a MoJ but I could be wrong. 

I would suggest some gentle guidance for Lookout from admin/mods on Blue wouldn't go amiss.

Whoever 'decides' makes no odds - that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it and that's what I have given!

I think you know Lookout would never join the red forum and I think we know what would happen if she did. Like I have just said, this feel more like she is being continually poked with a stick instead of tackling a particular issue.

[ActualMat]

Whoever 'decides' makes no odds - that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it and that's what I have given!

I think you know Lookout would never join the red forum and I think we know what would happen if she did. Like I have just said, this feel more like she is being continually poked with a stick instead of tackling a particular issue.

I guess that because we're not banned, it bothers us less what is posted on the blue because we can openly challenge it. Even if that leads to be being called Big Fairy White Trash and you being accused of attempting to hack her.

I'm always gonig to defend myself  but thankfully I can do it on the blue forum.

Holly seems a little bitter, I don't know what happened with her on the blue but it certainly left a mark and it still shows in her posts, she seems a bit hurt.

I do understand that.  There's a certain bitch on the blue who I'll make a topic about the day I am banned and expose the two facedness. 

[ActualMat]

I guess that because we're not banned, it bothers us less what is posted on the blue because we can openly challenge it. Even if that leads to be being called Big Fairy White Trash and you being accused of attempting to hack her.

I'm always gonig to defend myself  but thankfully I can do it on the blue forum.

Holly seems a little bitter, I don't know what happened with her on the blue but it certainly left a mark and it still shows in her posts, she seems a bit hurt.

I do understand that.  I mean trust me theres a certain one on the blue who I'll make a topic about the day I am banned and expose the two facedness. 

[Holly Goodhead]

Whoever 'decides' makes no odds - that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it and that's what I have given!

I think you know Lookout would never join the red forum and I think we know what would happen if she did. Like I have just said, this feel more like she is being continually poked with a stick instead of tackling a particular issue.

Caroline do you have any reason to question my impartiality and/or integrity as a senior moderator?  I can assure you 100% if Lookout chooses to post here she will be treated no differently from any other poster but she will not be making posts containing homophobic and/or racist content and/or relentlessly denigrating victims and prosecution witnesses.

Your views seem to reflect that of NGB's and Maggie's which I disagree with entirely and I believe others here share my views.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8578.msg428277.html#msg428277

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8578.msg428279.html#msg428279

I think we will have to agree to disagree.  Imo comments on this thread directed at Lookout are proportionate and a result of admin/mods on Blue giving Lookout free rein. 

[Holly Goodhead]

I guess that because we're not banned, it bothers us less what is posted on the blue because we can openly challenge it. Even if that leads to be being called Big Fairy White Trash and you being accused of attempting to hack her.

I'm always gonig to defend myself  but thankfully I can do it on the blue forum.

Holly seems a little bitter, I don't know what happened with her on the blue but it certainly left a mark and it still shows in her posts, she seems a bit hurt.

I do understand that.  There's a certain bitch on the blue who I'll make a topic about the day I am banned and expose the two facedness. 

I think you're mistaken Mat.  I joined this forum before I was banned on Blue.  In fact I recall pming NGB when Maggie was appointed mod and advising him I was going to leave and post on Red as I knew Maggie's appointment was the end of the road for me.  NGB's response was 'good luck'!

[ActualMat]

I think you're mistaken Mat.  I joined this forum before I was banned on Blue.  In fact I recall pming NGB when Maggie was appointed mod and advising him I was going to leave and post on Red as I knew Maggie's appointment was the end of the road for me.  NGB's response was 'good luck'!

I hope you didn't take it as an insult, I didn't mean it that way. I just  seem to remember you were expecting quite a hard time once Maggie was a mod - and you were right.
If I was in your position, I'd take shots too.

But with Lookout, there is enough in her posts to rip apart doesn't have to be personal although she's been extremely personal with me to be honest - so I'm of two minds.

[Holly Goodhead]

The following is an example of where imo Lookout gets completely carried away in an unacceptable manner: 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8990.msg426232.html#msg426232

Sherlock starts off a thread about Freddie claiming he was 'probably' a bad sort.  Lookout knows nothing about the man but claims he was a bad lot and the children were scared of him.  Is there any evidence for this ie that he was a bad lot and/or the children were scared of him?  Not content to leave it at that she then claims he was probably a con-man and full of bluff.  Is there any evidence for this?

Yes when SC was unwell she saw Freddie as the 'devil' but at the same time she also thought the doctors called to treat her were trying to harm her. 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8990.msg426232.html#msg426232