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Offline Common sense

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #75 on: May 01, 2020, 05:42:54 PM »
A ‘brand’ the Brits on the whole don’t appear to be buying

There is an answer to that, the US CJS is not prone to more errors they believe, it's because the UK is not willing to admit to how many mistakes they make so the wider public at large are blissfully unaware of the scale of the problem.

It never occurs to them that maybe the CCRC turn down cases because they have no merit, it's always because the CCRC have no will to fight the wicked establishment and each knock back strengthens that view. 

Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #76 on: May 01, 2020, 05:50:56 PM »
The ‘innocence movement’ is incestuous

And why does it appear the JB ltd campaign & others have jumped on the bandwagon of certain individuals from the US?

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https://www.thejusticegap.com/unacceptably-haphazard-steven-averys-lawyers-support-open-justice-campaign/

I find it hard to believe they haven’t heard of John Collins and innocence fraud

Interestingly it claims here http://shackletonfoundation.org/?portfolio=emily-bolton Emily Bolton ‘established Innocence Project New Orleans (IPNO),

Hannah Quirk here https://www.kcl.ac.uk/people/dr-hannah-quirkspent six months on a research sabbatical at the Innocence Project New Orleans, before joining the Law School at the University of Manchester.

Hannah Quirk can be heard here https://ox.cloud.panopto.eu/Panopto/Pages/Embed.aspx?id=69d464e5-e28a-4400-b964-a9dd01201ea0 alongside Carolyn Hoyle

Last year Professor Carolyn Hoyle stated, re the Criminal Cases Review Commission,
437 peoples lives that have been changed around by the commission, many people who would otherwise be in prison and are out and those people are left to rebuild their lives that is not easy as research by one of my doctoral students has shown but none the less they have the opportunity to do so”
https://ox.cloud.panopto.eu/Panopto/Pages/Embed.aspx?id=69d464e5-e28a-4400-b964-a9dd01201ea0
« Last Edit: May 01, 2020, 06:00:50 PM by Nicholas »
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #77 on: May 01, 2020, 06:04:10 PM »
There is an answer to that, the US CJS is not prone to more errors they believe, it's because the UK is not willing to admit to how many mistakes they make so the wider public at large are blissfully unaware of the scale of the problem.

Yep
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #78 on: May 01, 2020, 06:20:06 PM »
It never occurs to them that maybe the CCRC turn down cases because they have no merit, it's always because the CCRC have no will to fight the wicked establishment and each knock back strengthens that view.

Until the CCRC wake up and weed out innocence fraud they remain part of the problem

How much did the Gordon Park fiasco cost them?

Someone on twitter highlighted para 26 from todays judgement

On 6 January 1998, following the written opinion of counsel, Mr J.A.Price QC, who concluded that there was no realistic prospect of conviction on the evidence then available, proceedings against the appellant were discontinued.

Maybe Sandra Lean can explain what that’s all about ?

It’s obvious Park was a psychopath not dissimilar to Bamber & Parks innocence fraud is self evident

Tru Benjamin
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Good luck to #JeremyBamber and his legal team who are seeking permission for judicial review in a renewed oral application in Leeds Administrative Court tomorrow against the CPS refusal to disclose vital evidence in his case
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Trudi Benjamin won’t find ‘an envelope floating down from the sky’ there is no vital evidence waiting to be disclosed - it’s been disclosed, she just hasn’t viewed Bamber’s case objectively - unless she’s purposefully perpetuating innocence fraud?
« Last Edit: May 01, 2020, 06:40:47 PM by Nicholas »
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #79 on: May 01, 2020, 07:54:34 PM »
I've said it before but who really needs guilters?

Not all JB supporters are fools that instantly believe fake news but there is no getting away from the fact that many are.

I find the fact that JB ltd seems to deliberately appeal to conspiracy fantasists who refuse to check facts very telling.

Oh, I totally agree, CS!

Whilst many of them have convinced themselves he’s innocent, some of them get a thrill out of knowing he did indeed kill them, and they get excited by that. It sounds unbelievable, perverse and and sick, but some women find murderers a turn-on.

It’s beyond weird and they must have mental problems.
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline Common sense

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #80 on: May 01, 2020, 08:48:45 PM »
Until the CCRC wake up and weed out innocence fraud they remain part of the problem

How much did the Gordon Park fiasco cost them?

Someone on twitter highlighted para 26 from todays judgement

On 6 January 1998, following the written opinion of counsel, Mr J.A.Price QC, who concluded that there was no realistic prospect of conviction on the evidence then available, proceedings against the appellant were discontinued.

Maybe Sandra Lean can explain what that’s all about ?

It’s obvious Park was a psychopath not dissimilar to Bamber & Parks innocence fraud is self evident

Trudi Benjamin won’t find ‘an envelope floating down from the sky’ there is no vital evidence waiting to be disclosed - it’s been disclosed, she just hasn’t viewed Bamber’s case objectively - unless she’s purposefully perpetuating innocence fraud?

I can't comment on the Park case as I'm not up to speed but as far as the CCRC directly commenting on innocence fraud goes, I think that would be against their remit.

The scale of the innocence fraud they deal with can only be imagined by the large volume of cases they reject but the proof of that IF remains confidential. I suspect the CCRC would dearly love to answer their critics by publishing their statements of reasons.

As for TB et al, that is the million dollar question. Does she really believe NB made two phone calls for example or is it simply part of an attempt to present a false impression of an impressive case for the benefit of those not paying attention?   Her own emotional investment and objectivity aside, she can hardly admit she has been peddling rubbish and the campaign has nothing, so whether she is in denial or not, there is some amount of deliberate fraud IMO.

I am a great believer that like attracts like and the CT is moulded in JBs image, so their dishonesty is his dishonesty which should no more be ignored than the fact he has changed the time of his calling the police from just after 3.10 to 3.36.

Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #81 on: May 01, 2020, 09:01:35 PM »
Michelle Diskin Bates Retweeted
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Why play dirty? When will EVERYTHING be disclosed in the Jeremy Bamber case so that we can try to get to the truth of his claim of innocence?
8:55 PM · May 1, 2020·Twitter for iPhone


https://mobile.twitter.com/EmpowerInnocent/status/1256311304551149568
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #82 on: May 01, 2020, 09:08:37 PM »
Apparently CAL has been given files that Bamber hasn't seen and he thinks he has a right to nitpick for typos to exploit no matter how irrelevant a fishing expedition it is.

No idea what CAL has been given or seen etc but was the reason she posted photos to her instagram account re the files because of the abuse and bullying she was subjected to?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Common sense

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #83 on: May 01, 2020, 09:24:24 PM »
No idea what CAL has been given or seen etc but was the reason she posted photos to her instagram account re the files because of the abuse and bullying she was subjected to?

Undoubtedly yes. Some pillocks are still repeating the smears started by Jeremy Bamber.

Some are still claiming CALs only research was searching these forums (which would still be a far better book than SL)

ITV refused all offers of help from Tru and MDB too - they didn't want to look at the new evidence - because there was obviously a secret agenda to fool people into thinking he was guilty!

You couldn't make it up, but guess who can!

Offline APRIL

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #84 on: May 01, 2020, 09:48:26 PM »
Undoubtedly yes. Some pillocks are still repeating the smears started by Jeremy Bamber.

Some are still claiming CALs only research was searching these forums (which would still be a far better book than SL)

ITV refused all offers of help from Tru and MDB too - they didn't want to look at the new evidence - because there was obviously a secret agenda to fool people into thinking he was guilty!

You couldn't make it up, but guess who can!


Wouldn't you have thought they'd have used a much less sneaky way of trying to find out?..............or maybe a MORE sneaky way? Either way they cocked it up.

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #85 on: May 01, 2020, 11:23:20 PM »
No idea what CAL has been given or seen etc but was the reason she posted photos to her instagram account re the files because of the abuse and bullying she was subjected to?


Someone should suggest to him to trawl through his 4M documents he claims he’s received

He may have overlooked them

Will take a while, about 15 years, but he may come across them 😌
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline Common sense

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #86 on: May 02, 2020, 12:37:33 AM »

Someone should suggest to him to trawl through his 4M documents he claims he’s received

He may have overlooked them

Will take a while, about 15 years, but he may come across them 😌

According to the headings on his brilliant campaign videos, it's already been proven that he couldn't have done it - so what does he want more evidence for? *%87

Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #87 on: May 02, 2020, 08:10:51 AM »
As for TB et al, that is the million dollar question. Does she really believe NB made two phone calls for example or is it simply part of an attempt to present a false impression of an impressive case for the benefit of those not paying attention?   Her own emotional investment and objectivity aside, she can hardly admit she has been peddling rubbish and the campaign has nothing, so whether she is in denial or not, there is some amount of deliberate fraud IMO.

I am a great believer that like attracts like and the CT is moulded in JBs image, so their dishonesty is his dishonesty which should no more be ignored than the fact he has changed the time of his calling the police from just after 3.10 to 3.36.

Trudi Benjamin isn’t doing this on her own - ‘journalists’ are willing to report their one sided bias stories for example

So doesn’t the same apply to his legal team ?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #88 on: May 02, 2020, 08:24:49 AM »
Bamber’s dangerousness surpasses him

Carol Ann Lee is an obstacle who’s in his way - her research appears to have brought her to the conclusion he’s guilty

It’s clear she’s Bamber's new target

Are the prison monitoring his behaviour ? I suspect not

Does anyone know if Ms Lee has reported the abuse and bullying she’s been subjected to - to either the police or prison or both?

Bamber may not be ‘gagged’ from speaking with the media (https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199899/ldjudgmt/jd990708/obrien01.htm )

but his patterns of behaviour should be of concern to the prison authorities and all those who should be monitoring him and protecting the public

It’s the same pattern of behaviour he displayed after he murdered his family - This should not be ignored

Bamber’s dangerousness and exploitative and abusive nature should be in the forefront of the minds of all those who’s responsibility and focus should be on the assessment and management of the risk that prisoners like Bamber present to members of the public beyond the prison gates.

Freedom of expression is, of course, intrinsically important: it is valued for its own sake. But it is well recognised that it is also instrumentally important. It serves a number of broad objectives. First, it promotes the self fulfilment of individuals in society. Secondly, in the famous words of Mr. Justice Holmes (echoing John Stuart Mill), "the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market.": Abraham v. United States 250 U.S. 616, at 630 (1919), per Holmes J. (dissent). Thirdly, freedom of speech is the lifeblood of democracy. The free flow of information and ideas informs political debate. It is a safety valve: people are more ready to accept decisions that go against them if they can in principle seek to influence them. It acts as a brake on the abuse of power by public officials. It facilitates the exposure of errors in the governance and administration of justice of the country: see Stone, Seidman, Sunstein and Tushnett, Constitutional Law, 3rd ed., (1996), 1078-1086. It is this last interest which is engaged in the present case. The prisoners argue that in their cases the criminal justice system has failed, and that they have been wrongly convicted. They seek with the assistance of journalists, who have the resources to do the necessary investigations, to make public the wrongs which they allegedly suffered.”

Bamber’s ‘freedom of expression’ does not entitle him to abuse and bully members of the public - directly or indirectly - overtly or covertly
« Last Edit: May 02, 2020, 09:18:30 AM by Nicholas »
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: More disappointment looming for Bamber?
« Reply #89 on: May 02, 2020, 09:24:58 AM »
According to the headings on his brilliant campaign videos, it's already been proven that he couldn't have done it - so what does he want more evidence for? *%87


Good point, CS!

He and his ever changing campaign team have been saying they “NEW EVIDENCE” he’s innocent for almost 20 years — and they never produce anything  &%%6

That’s why he’s trying to make out EP are “hiding” the evidence. He knows nothing exists; he knows they can’t produce things that don’t exist; so he’s trying to make out it’s a conspiracy.

He’s now banging on about CAL being given documents and photos that he himself hasn’t been given: I don’t believe that for a moment. He’s just wasting everyone’s time...
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.